You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

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grey toned genocide and terrorism reboots are just the thing now I guess. And they don't feel really passionately arrived at, it's more like ppl remembered from film school that yr movies have to mean something and hey idk 9/11 is something. I guess it's better than TDKR's Goldman Sachs thing.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 15 June 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

So, what CGI technology was involved in turning Diane Lane into Grace Zabriskie?

MV, Sunday, 16 June 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link

lol

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 00:19 (ten years ago) link

By Eric Marrapodi, Co-Editor CNN Belief Blog
Baltimore, Maryland (CNN) — As the new Superman movie takes flight this weekend, filmmakers are hoping the Man of Steel lands not only in theaters, but also in pulpits.

Warner Bros. Studios is aggressively marketing “Man of Steel” to Christian pastors, inviting them to early screenings, creating Father’s Day discussion guides and producing special film trailers that focus on the faith-friendly angles of the movie.

The movie studio even asked a theologian to provide sermon notes for pastors who want to preach about Superman on Sunday. Titled “Jesus: The Original Superhero,” the notes run nine pages.

“How might the story of Superman awaken our passion for the greatest hero who ever lived and died and rose again?” the sermon notes ask.

(Disclaimer: CNN, like Warner Bros., is owned by Time Warner.)

Similar campaigns to corral the country’s large number of Christians into the movie theater have been used for “Les Miserables,” “Soul Surfer” and “The Blind Side,” all of which had at least some faith angle.

Baltimore pastor Quentin Scott is among dozens of ministers who received an e-mail invitation from Grace Hill Media, a Hollywood-based Christian marketing firm, to an early screening of “Man of Steel.”

“There was an actual push to say `We’re putting out something that speaks to your group,’ ” said Scott, one of the pastors of Shiloh Christian Community Church in Baltimore.

At first, Scott said, he didn’t buy the religious pitch. Then he decided to attend a free midweek screening in Baltimore.

“When I sat and listened to the movie I actually saw it was the story of Christ, and the love of God was weaved into the story,” said the pastor.

“It was something I was very excited about that with the consultation of our senior pastor, we could use in our congregation.”

Grace Hill’s sermon notes are specially designed for churches like Shiloh that integrate multimedia into their services.

“Let’s take a look at the trailer for `Man of Steel,’” the notes suggest after briefly introducing the movie’s history and themes.

The man behind the notes, Pepperdine University professor Craig Detweiler, has prepared similar material for films like 2009’s “The Blind Side” and “The Book of Eli” from 2010.

The spiritual themes in “Man of Steel” are abundant, Detweiler said, and his notes enable Christians to thoughtfully engage with pop culture instead of shunning it.

“All too often, religious communities have been defined by what they’re against. With a movie like `Man of Steel,’ this is a chance to celebrate a movie that affirms faith, sacrifice and service,” Detweiler said.

It will be hard for even casual Christians to miss the messianic metaphors in “Man of Steel.”

The movie focuses on the origins of Superman, who was sent from the planet Krypton as an infant to save his species.

He is raised by surrogate parents who help him grapple with his special powers, even though they don’t fully understand the source of his extraordinary abilities.

When he turns 33, Superman must willingly sacrifice himself to save the human race.

Sound familiar?

If that’s not enough, as a boy Clark Kent is shown wrestling with his superpowers, and asks his earthly dad, Jonathan Kent, “Did God do this to me?”

“Somewhere out there you have another father and he sent you here for a reason,” says Jonathan Kent.

Even the visuals hammer home the messianic motifs.

During a fight with his archenemy, General Zod, Superman plunges down to Earth, his arms outstretched as if he were being crucified. Of course, he rises again.

Detweiler writes in the sermon notes, “What Jesus and Superman both give us, through their `hero’ actions but also their `human’ actions – is hope.”

“I think it’s a very good thing that Hollywood is paying attention to the Christian marketplace,” said Ted Baehr, who runs Movieguide, a website that reviews family friendly films from a Christian perspective.

“Where it gets sticky is when they try to manipulate the market and when Christians try to manipulate Hollywood. But here I think we have the right balance.”

But other Christians are heaving a supersized sigh at the movie marketing.

“Any pastor who thinks using `Man of Steel Ministry Resources’ is a good Sunday morning strategy must have no concept of how high the stakes are, or very little confidence in the power of God’s word and God’s spirit,” writes P.J. Wenzel, a deacon and Sunday School teacher at Dublin Baptist Church in Ohio.

“As they entertain their congregants with material pumped out from Hollywood’s sewers, lives are kept in bondage, and people’s souls are neglected,” according to Wenzel, who said he was e-mailed information about the movie.

Scott, the Baltimore pastor, said he knows that Warner Bros. Studios has a financial incentive in pushing the film to pastors.

But he said that’s fine with him. “They’re using us but in fact we’re using them,” he said.

His church won’t show clips from the movie this weekend because it had already planned out its service. But he plans to use them later, during meetings with the church’s men’s group.

“If you give me another opportunity to talk to someone about Jesus Christ, and I can do that because of your movie, that’s a win for me, because it is about spreading the Gospel.”

CNN’s Erin McPike contributed to this report.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 16 June 2013 02:07 (ten years ago) link

Suitably lower expectations helped going in but you know, I enjoyed this. It's kinda weird to call something with this much in the way of shouting and explosions Zack Snyder's subtlest film ever but there we go. And in terms of inevitable references to previous films I thought this did the job better than the latest Star Trek, while the whole Krypton sequence was a hell of a way to start.

We were letting the end credits roll buy and suddenly I blinked saw this 'drum orchestra' listed -- get a load of the personnel!

John JR Robinson, Jason Bonham, Josh Freese, Pharrell Williams, Danny Carey, Satnam Ramgotra, Toss Panos, Jim Keltner, Curt Bisquera, Trevor Lawrence Jr., Matt Chamberlain, Ryeland Allison, Bernie Dresel, Vinnie Colaiuta and Sheila E

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2013 05:21 (ten years ago) link

it was refreshing not to be bombarded by references and injokes every minute but something about the way the movie was put together reminded me too much of the first Star Trek reboot.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 16 June 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link

i missed thor and this summer's iron man sequel but IMO the captain america movie was the least objectionable of the recent spate of superhero/comic movies. it stayed reasonably true to the character (or at least the aw-shucks aspect at the heart of the character) and was (self-consciously, but still) old fashioned in an engaging way. there was still too much step-printing and bone-crushing violence for me. i guess ultimately it just wasn't half as self-serious as a lot of the post-nolan movies. i guess whedon's the avengers wasn't enormously self-serious but staging the apocalypse as a conclusion just kind of gets me down. also it was kind of a mess?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 07:26 (ten years ago) link

not step-printing, i mean ramping

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 07:27 (ten years ago) link

woah @ drums credits

Simon H., Sunday, 16 June 2013 07:59 (ten years ago) link

The action in this film - which is basically massive, grey CG superstructures being smashed into over and over and over again - is just so hatefully loud and monotonous as to be mind-numbing. The rest is simply incompetent, unwatchable shit.
One of the very worst films of the past decade.

hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Sunday, 16 June 2013 11:30 (ten years ago) link

Outside of some Batman antics Iron Man 3 is the only superhero movie I've genuinely liked since the Donner Supermans. Managed to break with that dreary TONE all of them have. Hate The Avengers with a vengeance, Watchmen was a hot mess but not nearly as annoying. Thought the trailers to this looked terrible, heavy-handed seriousness, everything Superman shouldn't be. Not surprised it's bad but was expecting critics to lap it up as 'decent enough' anyway.

abcfsk, Sunday, 16 June 2013 11:41 (ten years ago) link

Batman Returns is still the best superhero movie.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSfp3KGwzw

Really, how do you top this?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link

Otm. Well it's the best Batman movie for sure. Best live-action Batman movie anyway.

sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

That reminds me, I need to finally watch "Mask of the Phantasm".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

Yep.

sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link

geez i haven't seen batman returns in 21 years

the only superhero movies that i wouldn't mind watching again are superman the movie, superman 2, and spider-man

ok i'd watch superman 3 again, but not because it's good

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link

actually i'll rep for both hellboy films

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link

batman returns would've been great if it had the confidence not to be a bunch of noisy obnoxious toy-selling bullshit. its best scenes cant be touched by any other superhero movie though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEz9oE17ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmcBnyQCrcM

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link

Darkman is a pretty great superhero movie, too.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link

Having batman films set mostly in daylight is a weird idea too.

aargh, not this again.

Weirdly enough I saw the Richard Donner cut for Superman II recently, that did re-acquaint me with how much fun superhero movies are - except I actually like how unfun the Nolan Batman films are, the whole pile-up of contemp relevance placed upon them to breaking point.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link

daylight thing one of the biggest nolan deal-breakers for me

dude is so terrible at atmosphere

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link

but so great at fascism.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link

dont we almost exclusively see batman working at night in batman begins and TDK? i feel like TDKR is the only one where he screwed that pooch

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link

Can't see the youtubes but what I love most about returns is the weird rhythm of all the dialogue between the trio of villains, its like they go into pentameter or something. Schumacher seemed to shoot for the same thing but it came out as weak camp? Tho I like all batfilms to an extent.

sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

jeez i just can't like much of anything about batman begins and TDK (didn't see the last one) movies, and i'm not really a nolan-hater. they were just D.O.A. to me.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link

dont we almost exclusively see batman working at night in batman begins and TDK? i feel like TDKR is the only one where he screwed that pooch

― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You'd think that, then Nolan gives you something you wanted all along but just didn't know you wanted.

ok ok this is too reminiscent of last year I'll stop.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

somehow forgot just how awesome michelle pfeiffer was in batman returns, also totally forgot 'bruce wayne, why are you dressed up like batman?'.

balls, Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

Pfeiffer is the best I love her

sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link

Is there a pfeiffer thread, I want to talk about I could never be your woman

sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link

michelle fucking owns that movie. her, keaton and walken are all insanely great in the scene where walken dies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lalexosgwUk

love keaton's reading of 'split right down the center'

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link

IDK that scene was kind of awkwardly put together

i should see that again i guess, i remember it being kind of convoluted and horrible, but i was a teenage so

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link

its not great... it pains me to say as a devito diehard but he had no place in that movie

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link

It's Always Not Sunny in Gotham City

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link

jeez i just can't like much of anything about batman begins and TDK (didn't see the last one) movies, and i'm not really a nolan-hater. they were just D.O.A. to me.

otm

Michelle Pfeiffer gave my favorite performance in a superhero movie. RDJ is second, I guess.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link

what about christopher reeves? all-time best superhero performance

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link

what makes this movie look so shitty to me is that it seems completely humourless... superman is such a god figure that you need a little clark kent comic relief to make him seem even remotely human... reeves nailed that and that super-grinny supermanness

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link

well, Nolan's the producer, and he's allergic to laffs.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link

xpost -- The end of this new one actually sets that up a touch, so...who knows?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link

And while there aren't many laughs at all, they are there.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link

Not saying that'll convince either of you two, obviously!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link

xpost -- The end of this new one actually sets that up a touch, so...who knows?

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

does it end with clark kent knocking over a coffee cup or something?

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link

yeah i'd give the crown to christopher reeve (who is terrible in almost every other movie he's in...)

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link

anyway, i'm gonna see this, but i hope you guys are ready to hear me bitch and moan about it

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link

xxpost -- KRYPTONITE coffee.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link

it ends with superman going 'i need a job' and he bicycles to the daily planet and finally puts on the iconic glasses and lois lane gives him a knowing smile

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link

I laughed every time ihop appeared but ihop definitely taking liberties with canon.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link


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