I think craft can become an art when practiced at the highest level, but mechanics to me are the province of craft -- constrained and motivated by environment rather than internal expression.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
the one facet of this where i can kind of see s1ocki's point is that i think games can be more than art, which i guess is a way of saying 'different than art', in that games can be sports, games can be trivia, games can be simulations, games can be war (drones/enders game lol) etc... but i don't see anything that categorically excludes games from being art either! i do see something though that excludes sports or war from being art, the absence of creation.
― sleepingbag, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
Rumsfeld as architect of war
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
lol i don't think slocki is flailing nor is he being disingenuous
the fact that in a sport any action taken on the field is always and primarily for the purposes of winning and not aesthetics seems insurmountable to me
― goole, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
yeah I don't think that's a particularly controversial position either
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
i think that distinction is enough to render games different from art (if not "not art", idk?)
but again "pure" games are on a different plane from the competitive games of sports, going back to my crap up there about mazes and experience. or thinking about non-video games like, idk, those annoying old-timey catch-the-ball-on-a-string-in-the-cup. meaningless time wasting, a challenge w/o purpose, meant just to be fun to keep your hands and eyes occupied
― goole, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
any action taken on the field is always and primarily for the purposes of winning and not aesthetics seems insurmountable to me
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
well yes, everyone knows that Tebow is art
I mean:
http://www.imagecpr.com/imagecpr.com%20uploads/2012/09/TEBOW-HELMET.gif
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
was just trying to find that gif!
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z326cvKjdUA/T6MKSgOiadI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/-4F1DR8j3yY/s1600/brushing+the+dirt.jpg
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
let's set aside what you think i meant by "on the field"
but really, don't, because, do you think tebow is praying because it looks good? or is he praying to win.
― goole, Friday, 14 June 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
well strictly speaking he is giving thanks to his Lord and Savior for making a spectacular garbage play successful
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
Does Jordan sticking his tongue out provide extra lift for his layup and dunks?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 June 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
I think winning as a motivator is much less of a barrier than money as a motivator in terms of negating aesthetic agency.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 June 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link
Like in that time punch art piece, if that artist was actually working a job where he was paid to punch a clock, that would have destroyed the thing. He'd just be working a job at that point.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 June 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
http://thecitizenkaneofvideogames.tumblr.com/
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 15 June 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link
hahaha
― am0n, Saturday, 15 June 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
http://images.crispygamer.com/public/column-2288/kanethegame.jpg
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 15 June 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link
http://bubsy3d.com/
― there's no camera to capture that yelping moment! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
flippin over how great this is
― Homo schaduwkabinet (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 02:48 (ten years ago) link
Yeah this is pretty wonderful. On a side note, isn't the 3D Bubsy supposed to be one of the worst games of all time?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 05:17 (ten years ago) link
that was awesome
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 13 November 2013 10:31 (ten years ago) link
http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/81/77/43361f45c29abdf0a2e713872c3237ec-creative-xbox-live-private-messages.jpg
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 December 2013 08:00 (ten years ago) link
probably a better place to put that than here but eh
I don't believe that's a real XBL message, since it doesn't contain racial slurs or homophobic insults.
― All that self-sacrifice, judgement, self-pity! I’d say it’s (snoball), Sunday, 15 December 2013 08:03 (ten years ago) link
Zone Recreation
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 December 2013 08:04 (ten years ago) link
http://hyperallergic.com/195863/a-video-game-lets-you-navigate-giorgio-de-chiricos-surreal-cityscapes/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xHqjSterB4
― cory artangel (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 27 November 2015 04:03 (eight years ago) link
https://www.behance.net/gallery/63535513/300-Super-Nintendo-Logos-Fully-Remastered
― Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Friday, 23 March 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
holy cow woulda look at that
― we gather in social groups and disorient ourselves (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 March 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Making vector replicas of display type used to be my crack. I developed an entire typeface based on the Tron logo back in the day.
― Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Friday, 23 March 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
that's awesome
― Nhex, Saturday, 24 March 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
(Should mention I created the Tron font exclusively for use on a flyer for a college radio show that like four people listened to. It was a good use of my time.)
I'm preordering this thing: https://www.amazon.com/Game-Console-History-Photographs/dp/1593277431
Also highly recommend the Art of Atari book that came out a year or so ago.
― Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Saturday, 24 March 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
oh hey another design student figured out the Adobe Illustrator Trace function
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 25 March 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
Now, now. Perhaps it's come a long way in recent versions but my recollection is that 'trace' isn't really all that. It involves some work to overcome Adobe's apparent insistence that a copy of a straight line should have 52 anchor points.
― to eat a little "snack", to have an snack (Old Lunch), Sunday, 25 March 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
yeah its a little more complicated than that. im just being snarky (the Batman Return one in partic looks like he just hit trace and export). still, foregoing all that you could turn on the pen tool and trace one of these logos by hand in like 5 mins.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 March 2018 13:24 (six years ago) link
i like this
https://en.softonic.com/articles/gta-5-gun-violence-in-america
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link
recent V&A videogames exhibition:
https://www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/videogames
specifically this magritte:
https://vanda-production-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/2018/04/06/08/26/58/28b0a0aa-5329-4a00-8e26-c12d6ddaef5f/960.jpg
vs this (kentucky route zero)
https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/04/06/09/va-videogames-kentucky-route-z-0.jpg?width=1368&height=912&fit=bounds&format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=70
― koogs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 12:20 (five years ago) link