You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

adults not wanting to let go of their childhood superhero stories means we get movies like this to some extent, I think.

Good point. These movies aren't designed for kids but parents with kids. Sort of like when I saw five or six of the "American Idol" tours and they crowds were packed with mom's holding signs in one hand and the hands of bored kids in the other.

Iron Man 3 is a PG-13 movie; I'm not really sure what level of violence ppl yr friends were expecting

These movies aren't designed for kids but parents with kids.

lol these movies are not for kids. no way am I taking my 5 yo to this. or even the Avengers.

We should definitely bring back the whimsical, innocent playfulness of Tim Burton's Batman movies, which featured not one but TWO on-screen electrocutions resulting in charred, smoking corpses, and a woman having acid thrown in her face by The Joker.

plus ca change etc. etc.

they're designed for massive audiences, i.e. everybody

pg-13 sometimes seems to operate as a rating which serves to basically have all the violence except the gaping wounds and arterial spray. definitely more violent movies make it through now than did 15 yrs ago.

ratings system more concerned about peen than about decapitations IIRC

^^^

also f-bombs

G rated films usually can have language beyond polite (i.e. darn, dang, and heck), but never with profanity. PG rated films may have mild profanity (i.e. ass and shit). PG-13 rated films may contain up to four "harsher sexually derived words". However, if a character in a film says a "harsher sexually derived word" (such as fuck) five or more times, it is routine today for the film to receive an R rating, provided that the word is used as an expletive and not with a sexual meaning (this[clarification needed] was mentioned in Be Cool, when Chili Palmer complains about the film industry).[citation needed] There have been two exceptions noted so far: Gunner Palace, a documentary of soldiers in the Second Gulf War, has 42 uses of the word, 2 used sexually,[22] and The Hip Hop Project has 17 uses.[23] In addition, the word "motherfucker" is apparently not allowed to be used even once in movies not rated R, as when it is used, the expletive part is always cut out, usually by a loud sound (e.g., Live Free or Die Hard and Alien vs. Predator). Any explicit and grotesque sexual dialog will require an NC-17 rating.
Additionally, some notable PG films contain uses of the word fuck, including Big, Beetlejuice, Terms of Endearment and All the President's Men. The former two were released in 1988, four years after the PG-13 was introduced, whilst the latter two were originally rated R for language, but their ratings were overturned on appeal.[24]

Superman Returns is okay I guess, but Kevin Spacey is awful as Luthor. Parker Posey is great tho

otm. otm. otm. Kevin Spacey was totally miscast. Posey is always great.

otm. otm. otm. Kevin Spacey was totally miscast.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, June 14, 2013 4:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU

how in the world was kevin spacey miscast, its like, almost the perfect role for his face & voice & personality. house of cards dude is basically lex luthor

of all the problems with that movie, Spacey is pretty low on the list imho. and I don't even like Spacey generally.

I don't know, it was all so earnest, and then Spacey comes in and he's Spacey and every he does and says has some kind of underlying snarky attitude to it that really clashed w the mood of the rest of the movie.

i burnt out on spacey as an actor cuz he always plays these know-it-all shitheads... but thats perfect for luther

http://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Lex-Luthor-Gene-Hackman.jpg

H4A otm

ya exactly

i could see not digging his style, but miscast? who were you expecting, josh hartnett?

every he does and says has some kind of underlying snarky attitude to it

idgi - this is the character!

like, that's what Luthor does!

kevin spacey makes lex luthor seems like such a superior know-it-all

the guy acts like he thinks he's going to run the world

Yeah, absolutely no problem with Spacey being cast as Lex Luthor. He didn't ruin the character. imo He did the best he could with it. SR was just a shitpile in every regard (except the opening title sequence, which was a nice throwback to the original films).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oYH8OVseQE

p sure it was a throwback to the 70s ones

those "everything wrong" videos are so stupid

xp i hate those vids and the guy who does them

lol

*highfives H4A*

I don't like 'em either! So smug. But I still posted it, because pinatas are fun.

p sure it was a throwback to the 70s ones

Were there any theatrical Superman films prior to those?

is that by the same guy who did those videos about the star wars prequels? was more put off by the creepy guy-in-a-basement vibe of those than the smugness.

also the guy talked...so...fucking...slowly.

no that's another (kinda genius) guy

Were there any theatrical Superman films prior to those?

there were 31

15 parts of Superman in 1948, 15 parts of Atom Man Vs Superman in 1950, Superman And The Mole People in 1951

sad to hear this is no good because i think my gf is going to make me to go see it

xp never knew.

Here's the og on-camera Superman:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Kirk_alyn_sup.jpg

superchunk

how in the world was kevin spacey miscast, its like, almost the perfect role for his face & voice & personality. house of cards dude is basically lex luthor

Yeah I mean I basically could not disagree more, but I don't have any arguments other than a visceral reaction against his performance. I like him in Cards.

xp i hate those vids and the guy who does them

But THIS we agree on!

Just back from this. I'd say it fits right in alongside Battle: Los Angeles, Transformers 3, and Wrath of the Titans in modern mindless blockbusters that are relentlessly ugly, humourless, long and deafeningly loud. It's just no good at all.

xpost Red Letter Media guy is really perceptive, and has found a clever way to tone down the serial killer stuff of yore. Can't wait to hear what he says about this.

guess who

As Dad walked up to my car after the movie tonight, wiping tears away from his eyes he looked at me and said, “Ya know, I’m pretty sure that’s the best superhero movie ever made.” And I looked at him, same smile and the same tears – and I said, “I absolutely agree, Dad!”

The RLM guys are good but I'm really done with watching the "half in the bag" vids, I think - they have lots of intelligent things to say but it could all be boiled down to a text review that takes seven minutes to read versus a video review that takes twenty-five to watch. The Plinkett ones had the edge of his awesome voice, and just intercutting clips of the movie to make the point rather than the guys in a room. Hate to say it really cause I like the way they look at a lot of things.

half in the bag is moronic garbage most of the time. the plinkett reviews are good

This was okay for an hour or so then turns into a nearly unwatchable shitshow.

Like it just totally gives up on being a real movie about halfway through.

15 parts of Superman in 1948, 15 parts of Atom Man Vs Superman in 1950, Superman And The Mole People in 1951

those were serials, not features--and many people know them through their rebroadcast on 1950s TV. so i think you can characterize the 1978 film as the first superman feature.

for some reason i actually had (admittedly unfounded) hopes for this reboot. sounds like another shitshow.

still think the original (richard lester) version of superman II is the best superhero movie, though IMO that's not saying very much.