suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

i just went to a korean sauna and had all my dead skin scrubbed off by an old woman
it was amazing

pappawheelie, i want to know more about this green tea treatment. i've only just started drinking the stuff and i've got bags to spare.

i just worry that if i use too much salicylic/benzoyl than it will age my skin faster :/

yeah i had a mini breakout last week and used a light salicylic treatment and noticed that i got REALLY dry and it scared me a lot and made me feel old.

If it does, I'm in trouble. I consider my skin an endlessly renewable resource. Isn't that what the subdermal layer is for?

If it does, I'm in trouble. I consider my skin an endlessly renewable resource. Isn't that what the subdermal layer if for?

i hope so.

i just feel like especially women's products are targeted to the whole cyclical thing: wash, use toner, use moisturizer, etc.

sometimes i wonder if i'm creating more work than i need to, and in the process putting too many chemicals on my face. like maybe i should try just washing with a gentle wash. but i swear i'd breakout.

you might not! a lot of times breakouts are caused by overproducing oil because you've stripped it all away w/ 30 products. a dermatologist i used to go to said the best thing you could do was just wash with dove and a washcloth. of course, she also prescribed all sorts of random prescription cremes, so who knows?

dove soap dries my skin out SO much - i can't even use it on my body, let alone my face.

what is ILS consensus on toner? i haven't used it since i was a teen, but am contemplating it again.

i can't decide if it actually helps or is just psychological.

i mean, the ones with alcohol basically just suck the oil out of your skin. the more gentle ones, i don't know. they do seem kind of bullshit but it also feels really nice to put on and i like the idea

i like the idea of getting off any cleanser that might not have rinsed off.

Is SeaBreeze even made anymore? It was a summer camp staple back in the day.

speaking of, do y'all bother with makeup remover? sometimes i have a really hard time getting liner off and i think i should get some

nah. sometimes eye makeup remover, but only if i am wearing a lot of/really dark eye makeup, which is not often.

If my cleanser doesn't rinse off, fuck it. I'm using a different cleanser. :)

i wear a light smudge of eyeliner + mascara every day, and i NEVER take it off at night. bad, i know.

i have a friend who does the same. the remnants are part of her look. do you wash ur face at night?

I like the IDEA of yesterday's makeup being part of your beautiful ruin, but my skin is too oily -- between the party at night and doing anything the next morning, a shower is always required.

no, i don't wash my face at night. i'm kind of anti that, because i feel like it would just remove too many of my skin's natural oils and stuff. but i do feel guilty about not using any eye makeup remover.

see this intrigues me. so what do you do in the morning? and you have clear skin?

i have perfectly clear skin and i only wash my face once a day too. i don't know if i am a good test subject tho -- i've always had almost 100% clear skin, i just am genetically blessed.

I am with the dirty ladies - I never wash my face at night either, just wear my makeup to bed :P I don't get pimples aside from one once a month, like clockwork.. I wash in the morning with face wash with scrubby bubbles in it, then mix concealer & lotion together and dry down with powder.

i USED to have pretty great skin. now that i'm getting old (lol) it's fucked. not to a casual observer, but it's def starting to show some wear and tear.

ramz: in the morning i wash (in the shower) with a gentle fash wash most days and a scrub once a week. i'm using this shitty neutrogena stuff atm, which i thought was the same as my last stuff, but is in fact not - it makes my face literally 'squeaky clean'.

i feel like face skin should only have very minimal extra stuff put put on it - it produces lots of stuff to care for itself, and washing/moisturising too much will probably block up pores and strip the skin. i have no evidence for this. it's just a 'feeling'.

i don't use concealer or foundation - just a very very light bronzer.

After I turned 30 I suddenly had acne issues. Before then I was peaches and cream. Sucks.

Anyway, I'm curious as to why those of you who only wash once a day would do so in the morning rather than at night. Aren't you worried about sweat, dust, pollution, makeup, etc clogging your pores while you sleep?

Sometimes I will only wash once a day, at night, and then rinse with cool water in the morning. But in my constant quest for acne control this has been my regime for the past six weeks and it seems to be working okay (as in acne not getting worse, perhaps slightly better.):

-Wash with Cetaphil and cool water in the morning. Apply blemish cream over face follow with tinted moisturizer or moisturizer + foundation.

-When I come home - clean face with a Neutrogena makeup remover face wipe. Apply blemish cream.

-Night: Wash with sacylic or benzyol peroxide foaming cleanser (twice a week I sub an exfoliating scrub); follow with blemish cream and night moisturizer.

For the past couple of weeks I've been using a 2% sacylic blemish cream (gel). It doesn't seem as powerful as benzyol peroxide on big breakouts but seems to do well and I feel like it's less strong. I have no dryness issues.

I also don't use toner. I think it does more harm than good.

i wash my face at night, not in the morning.

the reason i wash mine in the morning is that it's too hard not getting my face wet in the shower, and once i get it wet i then have to moisturise, and i don't want to do this twice a day

I have a friend who has to moisturize MORE THAN once a day just because her skin soaks up the lotion. This is amazing to me. She has the most beautiful, pore-less skin of anyone I know (possibly ever) but she can only use super-gentle, sensitive cleansers and etc and by 10.30am, when I'm blotting my oils, she's adding moisturizer for the 2nd time of the day.

I comfort myself by thinking that my dermis will age better in the long run, but it's cold comfort when she's practically GLOWING in any light.

water often makes my skin go crazy dry -like, skin-flaking-off-my-face kind of dry. sometimes in winter i need to moisturise twice a day, but i try to avoid it, because i feel like it's just more shit filling up my pores.

and oh god - i've started noticing small red spots/lines on my cheeks, something my mum has which has gotten worse in her old age. i forget what it's called, something like 'rosacea' or similar.

i have a bunch of little things, but with a little concealer and the right angle i can pull it out

i exfoliate in the morning and cleanse at night. i use a lighter moisturizer in the morning than at night, and a different eye cream as well.

eye cream in the morning, eye gel at night for me

i am the opposite - gel in am, cream for bed.

I need to pick up new foundation/concealer. The stuff I've been using is shit for redness. Blah.

I have found nothing for redness. It's driving me mad.

tza you exfoliate every day?

does anyone still use noxzema?

i assume there is a never-ending supply of 12 year old girls who need their first cleanser, yeah. i don't think anyone over the age of 20 does though, do they?

mmm, nostalgia. Maybe I will start again.

that tingly feeling!

i used to exfoliate every day and my skin was pretty great then. also what ive seen of tza's skin in photos looks pretty great too. maybe its time to start again.

i have a really light exfoliator that i like. it's kind noxzema like in consistency, but it has tiny little scrubbing beads.

i like scrubbing better than scratching, on a regular basis.

depends how my skin is feeling. sometimes every day, sometimes not. but i like to keep smooth, i guess.

I use a scrub cleanser to exfoliate every morning and rinse with water at night. I moisturize at least twice a day sometimes more in winter. Diff day and night creams but same eye stuff.

what i find is, eye gels are really lovely and glow-y, which i love, but they don't blend with my under-eye concealer

whereas my eye cream blends

i now blend and then apply, which has been working wonders in my life

Gels aren't moisturizing enough for me so I use cream only. I just let it sink in for a while before doing concealer.

girl, you don't need no eye cream ;)

LOL. That may be true but only because I've been using it since I was 19! There's no other explanation for my lack of wrinkles as a 31 year old (hopefully soon to be ex) smoker!

everyone needs eye cream (says she who doesn't use and has only been sporadically using moisturizer for fear of clogged pores.)