But it's much easier to believe that when you don't otherwise have a comfortable life at your fingertips.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link
yes
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link
hash (mmm) tag drunk talk :taking in account that the internet of now helps to create more links of all sorts between people( experiences, goods and services , feels etc) and young people nowadays are getting sort of away from politics and invest their lives into socially conscious businesses , non profit organizations etc maybe in a couple of decades will pop up a need for a kind of news service that informs us of what "we" do, and the ameliorations in other workplaces will rejoice us not because we have a "big heart" but because it makes our life more liveable.
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link
Rebelling is easy: Drink a beer, smoke a cigarette, and listen to rock 'n' roll music.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:48 (ten years ago) link
And/or get a tattoo.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:49 (ten years ago) link
p sure mlle. n/a will find plenty of ways to try to stick an oar in history and if she feels like she can't do that "anymore" by buying clothes and records well no shit right? maybe we're talking about different things here.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
work and act locally outside of official channels. teach your daughter to do the same.
― scott seward, Monday, June 10, 2013 4:10 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nothing wrong with doing that if that`s your bag but i don`t think that counts as rebellion
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:59 (ten years ago) link
I think cities half-submerged will do wonders for rebellion.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:59 (ten years ago) link
history of the Aegean says no
― sleepish resistance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:02 (ten years ago) link
half-submerged cities opens up all kinds of waterworld steampunk rebellious ways of dress
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:04 (ten years ago) link
but I guess if everyone dresses like they're in waterworld the only way to rebel is wearing a suit or something
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:05 (ten years ago) link
in a signifier saturated world the only true rebellion is to wear some old signifiers
― sleepish resistance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:06 (ten years ago) link
"nothing wrong with doing that if that`s your bag but i don`t think that counts as rebellion"
i left out the part about mentally renouncing citizenship and never travelling more than 100 miles from your home and being as self-sufficient has humanly possible.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:24 (ten years ago) link
einh
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:28 (ten years ago) link
i guess technically if everyone did that u might consider it a revolution
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link
snark = revolution
― sleepish resistance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link
idk why u would worry about this in the era of anonymous.
― time considered as a helix of semi-precious owns (zvookster), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:45 (ten years ago) link
Vote from the rooftops?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
xps noodle vague ok but i wasn't claiming that that snarky post was revolutionary!
i just don't think living on a yurt is revolutionary... you're supposed to fight power not just try to live beyond its grasp, right?
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
that's ok, i was as fucked with myself as you - once revolution becomes a school subject what's left but kicking yourself? too many meetings of like-minded souls bitching each other out?
yeah, revolution is all of us or none of us, you're right
― r common stop-pretendin (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:52 (ten years ago) link
hm. am i shadowbanned or hwattttt?
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
jokes
n/a's child is john connor
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:04 (ten years ago) link
t's s, s s s(hope u got the beat right)
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
"Withdrawing in disgust is not the same thing as apathy."
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
^^ Sounds very Thomist.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, June 10, 2013 11:09 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, it's much more narcissistic.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
rebellion can be more than one thing.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link
and everybody doesn't have to do the same thing.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
how can you move a table if everyone doesn't lift at the same time
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
i think scott is working w/ a different definition of "rebellion" than most of us
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:40 (ten years ago) link
what if the rebellion in star wars followed scott's suggestions and just found another planet to hang out on? there would be no movies!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:41 (ten years ago) link
sounds good to me
― r common stop-pretendin (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 08:43 (ten years ago) link
High school students should spend more time closely studying the Whiskey Rebellion. For inspiration.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
tell me more about this wonderful paradise
― Bathory Tub Blues (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
never forget...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Philip's_War
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
the star wars rebellion kept doing that but the empire kept following them! that's the whole problem.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
like sure you're out in your cabin composing your breakup album and suddenlyhttp://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content08/snomote-probe-droid.jpg
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
The only rebellion possible is against materialism, against capitalism, etc. No matter what you do (what you do these days essentially being one and the same with what you purchase) you are locked in the system. The only real rebellion is dropping out, if not completely dropping out then reducing your intake. There is a shroud of insanity that has gripped the globe but it is all illusory. It requires that everyone agree upon the most ridiculously ancient and arbitrary territorial premises.
How ridiculous is the phrase 'fiat money', when money is in itself an abstraction? A derivative representation of real labor, it historically becomes more and more derivative. Recently, quite literally so. On the plus side, the cold hard calculating logic of computers is now in control of most of it, and I think this is where the rebellion will come. Perhaps someday the machines in control of the stock exchange will analyze all data, declare it all meaningless ('fiat') and instantaneously destroy the global monetary system in an effort to make things more efficient. It's a fantasy I like to indulge in, but I don't necessarily think it is required. The internet is democratizing speech, destroying privacy (personal privacy and 'private property') barriers, breaking down political barriers, rendering country lines less and less real, and slowly eliminating the means of production and literally the very tactile nature of the goods and services we have built our society around obtaining and worshiping. What has happened to the music industry and the movie industry will soon happen to pretty much every facet of your commercial life.
Social networks online and the orgy of data-mining is sort of the last hurrah of capitalism. Already we are realizing that private property is an illusion, that privacy is an illusion, that we are all one on this planet together. As more and more points of view are encountered, as more and more people become aware of even the most fringe behaviors (Bronies, anyone?), acceptance and compassion will grow. The recent polls about the public not caring about the NSA support this trend. We are evolving past the old illusions.
This is a pretty terrific thing. It's essentially the start of a spiritual revolution, happening from the outside-in, the material world dissolving.
The internet and the concept of home computers were born in the revolutionary heyday of the 1960s. Engineers often developed these products while experimental with acid and mushrooms, going through ego death, foreseeing a radical new concept of the future, one that is so unique it has historically escaped description. The most radical concepts of the psychedelic revolution -- the death of private property, the breaking down of national barriers, instant global telepathic communication -- are all becoming literally true before our eyes.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
communication's our whole point obviously but if the hippies thought technology would abolish power they've got another thing coming
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
and while the global communications network does all those things it also physically isolates you from yr brothers and vastly increases the insanely bounteous variety and nuance and omnipresence of ways to express yourself through consumption
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
(w all that system's attendant exploitation and personally tailored pacification)
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
I agree with Adam's end-goals and optimism but I skeptical of technology delivering
― Bathory Tub Blues (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
esp re: elimination of the means of production. tell that to the slave labor that built your iphone.
people have thought since the 1700s that tech was gonna fix us but all it does is make us stronger.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
(some of us.)
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
Not sure the global communications network physically isolate you, I'm not sure that is true at all. There are many lifelong friends I would not have if not for meeting them online. Then you have recent real world physical political demonstrations that have been fostered by the internet. Also recent statistics seem to point towards internet dating sites leading towards more sustainable marriages.
The consumption thing is also indicative of the pre-internet generation's obsession with consumption. These are people born in the 80's and 90's, during eras of excess and economic boom.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
xps
Adam, I understand the enthusiasm with which you offer your analysis, but it doesn't matter how often I realize that money is an illusion and private property is a social construction, this will not destroy money or private property.
However revolutionary the internet is for communicating information rapidly, our lives cannot happen without tangible goods you can rap your knuckles upon or ingest. Even the ethereal internet requires power plants, a million miles of cables, satellites launched into space, and a few billion computers of various shapes and sizes churned out by ugly factories in asia. Plus large mining operations and thousands of oil rigs when you dig down into what makes it all happen.
As for nations, they are possessed of armies and police forces, so they are not going down without a fight just because the internet does not require them. This still seems like a better description of reality to me than your post above.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
Then you have recent real world physical political demonstrations that have been fostered by the internet
well these have been the internet's peak (porn aside)
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
and yes, the only place where the internet is really abolishing tactility is the consumption end, but since people never needed the shit to begin with they certainly don't need it to be real
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
off the grid = a car battery?
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 June 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link
and wireless internet!
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 June 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link
there's no grid dude, it's wireless
lol
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 23 June 2013 02:05 (ten years ago) link
maybe he just means he pays his wireless bill in cash, or buys re-up cards for it at walmart
― j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 05:52 (ten years ago) link
Jul 4 70 I have become so obsessed lately with the hopelessness of any rebellion against authority that I can only assume that I have come to a sort of climacteric. I read the political page every day and am continually astounded by what I read.— Richard Burton (@BurtonDiaries) July 4, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
I was around in July 1970 and old enough to see and appreciate exactly what Mr. Burton was reading. Yes, the political state of the USA especially, but much of Europe, was plenty astounding and equally dispiriting.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link