New Yorker magazine alert thread

well it seemed so unopinionated as to BE opinionated

really, a good fiction issue? I feel like I haven't been thrilled by the fiction issue in years, or by almost any fiction I read in the NYer other than people I already know and love like George Saunders and Donald Antrim.

like, the writerly equivalent of :|

not a typical news story/article because the pieces don't fit together

there's all the weird stuff about the sniper's colorful fabulations and racist good ol' boy jokes

but also about his generosity and loyalty

which never gets resolved

instead he is shot to death by some deranged soldier

well it seemed so unopinionated as to BE opinionated

― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, June 10, 2013 3:58 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

explain

well i think it basically leaves it up to u, the reader, but it seemed to be clearly written from a POV, and the lack of editorializing was quite conspicuous

and i do appreciate that it is a really mess, complex story about really messy, complex characters who were made even more complicated by the horrible things they did and saw

the whole last part, about his (sister?) still going around promoting gun-therapy, seemed to not need any additional gloss.

i kept thinking that the sniper guy with his hatred of our elected government + racism + PTSD + delusions of heroism + pathological lying would have himself been a candidate to do something really awful under other circumstances

maybe that is committing calumny toward the dead i dunno

really messy, complex characters who were made even more complicated by the horrible things they did and saw

yeah the stuff about the particular psychological consequences of being a sniper is kinda unforgettable

i kept thinking that the sniper guy with his hatred of our elected government + racism + PTSD + delusions of heroism + pathological lying would have himself been a candidate to do something really awful under other circumstances

maybe that is committing calumny toward the dead i dunno

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, June 10, 2013 5:06 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

well he did kill 160 people

the whole story he made up about the superdome was pretty o_O

fantasies of killing black people in a righteous cause and all

I feel like all reporting should be as unresolved and un-fit-together as this if it's any good. If anything can save the human brain it's dissonance!

i mean life is messy and articles should acknowledge/capture that but i see no problem with old-fashioned muckraking "this is what happened, it's awful, this is who needs to be held to account" articles are worth a lot too IMO.

sorry for horrible grammar and incoherent sentence structure...

i mean life is messy and articles should acknowledge/capture that but i see no problem with old-fashioned muckraking "this is what happened, it's awful, this is who needs to be held to account" articles are worth a lot too IMO.

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, June 10, 2013 5:46 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark

imo this article is part of a larger piece and needs to be understood in the context of, well, everything that's happened since 2001.

the article seemed to pretty squarely place most of the blame the VA hospital that the shooter went to and the VA medical system in general though? they kept repeating the theme about how he tried to get help, said he was going to hurt people, and the hospital just kept releasing him

i took that as a metonymous indictment of "the whole damn system" that put him where he was

would any hospital have done significantly different, VA or no?

yeah apparently he was too sane to be admitted to the hospital but too unbalanced to go into one particular other program?

GTFO is the hospital industry motto

just to be clear i'm not criticizing the article at all

i was responding to jon lewis in saying that while this article did a great job of kind of letting it all hang out, not all articles need to end on a note of irresolution

i do think that it's not hard to draw some real conclusions from the article, but in this case i think it was admirable that it didn't try to tie it all together too neatly

n/a IIRC the hospital does fuck up several times but not always and (this was left out of the article) they may have been bound by rules not allowing them to keep someone against their will unless yaddayaddayadda

i feel like this is an issue in terms of how we deal with the mentally ill in general

as in, when it is ok to hospitalize someone against their will, how do we determine if they pose a threat to themselves or others, etc

otm

well yeah

i kept thinking that the sniper guy with his hatred of our elected government + racism + PTSD + delusions of heroism + pathological lying would have himself been a candidate to do something really awful under other circumstances

maybe that is committing calumny toward the dead i dunno

hate to go there but you can't compare/contrast the two dudes w/o factoring in privilege

explain--i can't remember which of the two came from a poorer background...

if that's what you meant...

well the sniper guy was on tv shows and having dudes say "here take my ranch" and the marine kid was mowing lawns and proposing to his gf without a wedding ring

the narrative even subtly points out how one got his DUI dismissed and the other didn't

yeah that's right

the whole last part, about his (sister?) still going around promoting gun-therapy, seemed to not need any additional gloss.

Haven't read the article, but according to a followup blog post, his wife is warning about Obama gonna take our guns: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/06/chris-kyles-wife-speaks-for-his-book-and-for-guns.html

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Yeah, knowing that makes me not want to get to the article itself.

I feel like resisting the urge to editorialise or draw more specific attention to some of the fringier elements of the story must have been easier in light of the facts of the story; the blunt, flat, straightforward ending of his life casts shadows over any gun policy or conspiracist discussion throughout, nothing really needed tying up or underlining

totally, even just the one line where he throws out a statistic on Texas execution rates and just moves on

ya that was brutal

this piece reminded me a little of last year's article on a jailed hitman in I think Detroit, describing killing people as they made their way from the car to the front door. just in case anyone skipped it & is somehow hungry for more of the cold hard look they got from this.

Yeah both had those heartbreaking details that were just mentioned briefly w/o comment. The hitman article had one about a cop who put out a hit on his wife because he wanted to be with someone else but didn't think his wife could handle being alone o_O

yeah hitman article was good

really enjoyed the issue from a couple of weeks ago, esp the stop and frisk article (that judge is a hero) and joan acocella's review of those dante translations (i liked a couple of the other features as well but i forget what they were because i left the magazine on the plane [along with my copy of tender is the night u___u] and i'm a bit drunk atm)

k3v you have mentioned taking a plane twice lately, how was your trip

thanks for asking! good, i am still here in thailand and will be for the next 2 months. haven't gotten malaria yet

oh wow! & that's good, it's a long enough trip that it's okay to be spending your time doing regular stuff rather than feeling obliged to ~unwind~

please post on one of the breakfast threads if you eat any good Thai breakfast food, my friend lived there for awhile & hearing about bulgur wheat breakfasts used to enthrall me

when was the hitman article, anyone got a link or date

october 15 2012

Jhumpa Lahiri story was great - I'm glad she has another book coming

chock a block with stuff, this new issue: Gang of Eight, Japanese suicide rates (disappointing as sociological report on said suicides, terrific on monk habits).

Yeah, new issue is promising. Superman book piece read like it was edited in half though.

Read the sniper story, and I almost hate to admit this, but I LOLed at this part:

I got him there and he was talking all kinds of goddam bullshit. I mean, this off-the-wall shit—how he’s Dracula, how he’s a werewolf, and all this shit.”