Is rebellion possible?

struggle is its own reward

(i actually think people really need to believe that in order to keep on. unfortunately it's very hard to believe that.)

But it's much easier to believe that when you don't otherwise have a comfortable life at your fingertips.

yes

hash (mmm) tag drunk talk :taking in account that the internet of now helps to create more links of all sorts between people( experiences, goods and services , feels etc) and young people nowadays are getting sort of away from politics and invest their lives into socially conscious businesses , non profit organizations etc maybe in a couple of decades will pop up a need for a kind of news service that informs us of what "we" do, and the ameliorations in other workplaces will rejoice us not because we have a "big heart" but because it makes our life more liveable.

Rebelling is easy: Drink a beer, smoke a cigarette, and listen to rock 'n' roll music.

And/or get a tattoo.

p sure mlle. n/a will find plenty of ways to try to stick an oar in history and if she feels like she can't do that "anymore" by buying clothes and records well no shit right? maybe we're talking about different things here.

work and act locally outside of official channels. teach your daughter to do the same.

― scott seward, Monday, June 10, 2013 4:10 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nothing wrong with doing that if that`s your bag but i don`t think that counts as rebellion

I think cities half-submerged will do wonders for rebellion.

history of the Aegean says no

half-submerged cities opens up all kinds of waterworld steampunk rebellious ways of dress

but I guess if everyone dresses like they're in waterworld the only way to rebel is wearing a suit or something

in a signifier saturated world the only true rebellion is to wear some old signifiers

"nothing wrong with doing that if that`s your bag but i don`t think that counts as rebellion"

i left out the part about mentally renouncing citizenship and never travelling more than 100 miles from your home and being as self-sufficient has humanly possible.

einh

i guess technically if everyone did that u might consider it a revolution

snark = revolution

idk why u would worry about this in the era of anonymous.

Vote from the rooftops?

xps noodle vague ok but i wasn't claiming that that snarky post was revolutionary!

i just don't think living on a yurt is revolutionary... you're supposed to fight power not just try to live beyond its grasp, right?

that's ok, i was as fucked with myself as you - once revolution becomes a school subject what's left but kicking yourself? too many meetings of like-minded souls bitching each other out?

yeah, revolution is all of us or none of us, you're right

hm. am i shadowbanned or hwattttt?

jokes

n/a's child is john connor

t's s, s s s
(hope u got the beat right)

"Withdrawing in disgust is not the same thing as apathy."

^^ Sounds very Thomist.

"Withdrawing in disgust is not the same thing as apathy."

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, June 10, 2013 11:09 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, it's much more narcissistic.

rebellion can be more than one thing.

and everybody doesn't have to do the same thing.

how can you move a table if everyone doesn't lift at the same time

i think scott is working w/ a different definition of "rebellion" than most of us

what if the rebellion in star wars followed scott's suggestions and just found another planet to hang out on? there would be no movies!

sounds good to me

High school students should spend more time closely studying the Whiskey Rebellion. For inspiration.

what if the rebellion in star wars followed scott's suggestions and just found another planet to hang out on? there would be no movies!

tell me more about this wonderful paradise

never forget...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Philip's_War

the star wars rebellion kept doing that but the empire kept following them! that's the whole problem.

like sure you're out in your cabin composing your breakup album and suddenly
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content08/snomote-probe-droid.jpg

The only rebellion possible is against materialism, against capitalism, etc. No matter what you do (what you do these days essentially being one and the same with what you purchase) you are locked in the system. The only real rebellion is dropping out, if not completely dropping out then reducing your intake. There is a shroud of insanity that has gripped the globe but it is all illusory. It requires that everyone agree upon the most ridiculously ancient and arbitrary territorial premises.

How ridiculous is the phrase 'fiat money', when money is in itself an abstraction? A derivative representation of real labor, it historically becomes more and more derivative. Recently, quite literally so. On the plus side, the cold hard calculating logic of computers is now in control of most of it, and I think this is where the rebellion will come. Perhaps someday the machines in control of the stock exchange will analyze all data, declare it all meaningless ('fiat') and instantaneously destroy the global monetary system in an effort to make things more efficient. It's a fantasy I like to indulge in, but I don't necessarily think it is required. The internet is democratizing speech, destroying privacy (personal privacy and 'private property') barriers, breaking down political barriers, rendering country lines less and less real, and slowly eliminating the means of production and literally the very tactile nature of the goods and services we have built our society around obtaining and worshiping. What has happened to the music industry and the movie industry will soon happen to pretty much every facet of your commercial life.

Social networks online and the orgy of data-mining is sort of the last hurrah of capitalism. Already we are realizing that private property is an illusion, that privacy is an illusion, that we are all one on this planet together. As more and more points of view are encountered, as more and more people become aware of even the most fringe behaviors (Bronies, anyone?), acceptance and compassion will grow. The recent polls about the public not caring about the NSA support this trend. We are evolving past the old illusions.

This is a pretty terrific thing. It's essentially the start of a spiritual revolution, happening from the outside-in, the material world dissolving.

The internet and the concept of home computers were born in the revolutionary heyday of the 1960s. Engineers often developed these products while experimental with acid and mushrooms, going through ego death, foreseeing a radical new concept of the future, one that is so unique it has historically escaped description. The most radical concepts of the psychedelic revolution -- the death of private property, the breaking down of national barriers, instant global telepathic communication -- are all becoming literally true before our eyes.

communication's our whole point obviously but if the hippies thought technology would abolish power they've got another thing coming

and while the global communications network does all those things it also physically isolates you from yr brothers and vastly increases the insanely bounteous variety and nuance and omnipresence of ways to express yourself through consumption

(w all that system's attendant exploitation and personally tailored pacification)

I agree with Adam's end-goals and optimism but I skeptical of technology delivering

esp re: elimination of the means of production. tell that to the slave labor that built your iphone.

people have thought since the 1700s that tech was gonna fix us but all it does is make us stronger.

(some of us.)

Not sure the global communications network physically isolate you, I'm not sure that is true at all. There are many lifelong friends I would not have if not for meeting them online. Then you have recent real world physical political demonstrations that have been fostered by the internet. Also recent statistics seem to point towards internet dating sites leading towards more sustainable marriages.

The consumption thing is also indicative of the pre-internet generation's obsession with consumption. These are people born in the 80's and 90's, during eras of excess and economic boom.

xps

Adam, I understand the enthusiasm with which you offer your analysis, but it doesn't matter how often I realize that money is an illusion and private property is a social construction, this will not destroy money or private property.

However revolutionary the internet is for communicating information rapidly, our lives cannot happen without tangible goods you can rap your knuckles upon or ingest. Even the ethereal internet requires power plants, a million miles of cables, satellites launched into space, and a few billion computers of various shapes and sizes churned out by ugly factories in asia. Plus large mining operations and thousands of oil rigs when you dig down into what makes it all happen.

As for nations, they are possessed of armies and police forces, so they are not going down without a fight just because the internet does not require them. This still seems like a better description of reality to me than your post above.

Then you have recent real world physical political demonstrations that have been fostered by the internet

well these have been the internet's peak (porn aside)

Also has an epigraph by "E.E. Schumacher" (smh)

off the grid = a car battery?

and wireless internet!

there's no grid dude, it's wireless

lol

maybe he just means he pays his wireless bill in cash, or buys re-up cards for it at walmart

Jul 4 70 I have become so obsessed lately with the hopelessness of any rebellion against authority that I can only assume that I have come to a sort of climacteric. I read the political page every day and am continually astounded by what I read.

— Richard Burton (@BurtonDiaries) July 4, 2019

I was around in July 1970 and old enough to see and appreciate exactly what Mr. Burton was reading. Yes, the political state of the USA especially, but much of Europe, was plenty astounding and equally dispiriting.