Wow. Classic rock stations up here love 80s and 90s Rush, I thought. I definitely hear "Big Money", "Time Stand Still", "The Pass", "Ghost of a Chance", "Dreamline", "Show Don't Tell". I've definitely heard the latter in Syracuse.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 10 June 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
I heard them a lot in the early nineties. "Roll The Bones" and "Show Don't Tell" particularly.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 14:52 (ten years ago) link
The Ottawa station played "New World Man" and "Ghost of a Chance" in the last 24h: http://www.chez106.com/on-air/playlists-charts/#
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― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 10 June 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
Funny enough, I only heard "Roll The Bones" on an "alternative rock" station, in 1991.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link
(Why is "Roll the Bones" a staple??)
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― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 10 June 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
For being their only American top 40 hit "New World Man" rarely gets/got airplay down here.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
Stanley Cup made an appearance tonight!
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/946833_10151658366733718_2142667632_n.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2013 04:54 (ten years ago) link
That's awesome .... how's the setlist these days? Caught 'em on Time Machine tour first time through Chicago and kinda wished they played a bit more Clockwork Angels tracks.
Nothing like Americans rubbing the Cup in the face of some Canucks, huh?
― BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 29 June 2013 06:09 (ten years ago) link
I thought it was sort of a dream setlist for me. "Analog Kid!" A bunch of '80s stuff! And if they played anymore of "Clockwork," people would have left.
Set1:Subdivisions The Big Money Force Ten Grand Designs Limelight Territories The Analog Kid The Pass Where's My Thing? (including drum solo)Far Cry
Set2: (with Clockwork Angels String Ensemble)Caravan Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies The Wreckers Headlong Flight (including drum solo)Halo Effect (guitar solo intro)Wish Them Well The Garden Dreamline Drum Solo (the Percussor)Red Sector A (Stanley Cup!)YYZ The Spirit of Radio
EncoreTom Sawyer 2112 Part I: Overture 2112 Part II: The Temples of Syrinx 2112 Part VII: Grand Finale
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2013 12:32 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/H2giBD6.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2013 12:33 (ten years ago) link
Guess it was Carbomb Carcillo who brought it.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2013 12:34 (ten years ago) link
Nice! Analog Kid into The Pass no less! Marathon was the one that stunned and rocked me and my friends when they played the shed on Meigs Field...
― BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 29 June 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
How Rob Sheffield learned to love Rush.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
i always hope these are going to be "i fell for them through their '80s material" bc that is my story
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
Man, I wish him well, and I'm glad he's built a career for himself, but do I not like his essay writing. He's like music's version of Joel Stein.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
have you read Love is a Mixtape?
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:13 (ten years ago) link
Way back when? Yeah. I didn't like it, which given the tragic subject matter seemed a pretty not nice thing to admit.
Been listening to "Counterparts," and it's better than I remember! And what other hard rock band could get away with a song that begins:
I knew he was different in his sexualityI went to his parties as a straight minorityIt never seemed a threat to my masculinityHe only introduced me to a wider realityAs the years went by, we drifted apartWhen I heard that he was goneI felt a shadow cross my heart
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm surprised at that Counterparts doesn't get more love, I think it's one of their best albums. I love the meaty, stripped down tone of the album, especially the more focused, backbeat-driven drumming from Neil.
Also, I'm psyched for this:http://www.rush.com/vapor-trails-remixed/
Vapor Trails is a really great album with a really terrible mix, so this was a long time coming.
― Moodles, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
A few points:
1) Fuck Rob Sheffield. I hate his writing, I hate his philosophy on art and culture as expressed in that writing, I hate his voice, I hate his to my mind astonishingly punchable face. My loathing of him is way on the far side of rational. (We work in the same building, but I have never seen him. If I ever did, I would probably burst into Alex in NYC-esque rage-flames.)2) The headline on that piece is loathsome. A multi-platinum band with a planet's worth of devoted fans needs some scumbag hack's "forgiveness"?3) I don't know anyone who hates Rush. I know people who don't like Rush, of course, and plenty of people who are neutral about them (like I was until seeing them live in 2011 - prior to that, I was of the mind that their radio hits were OK, but that was all I needed to hear; now, I am a big fan, and Counterparts is one of my favorite albums btw). But I don't know anyone who would say with a straight face, "I hate Rush."
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link
I definitely know people who would say they hate Rush, but my guess is that has more to do with their own insecurities rather than any failing on Rush's part.
― Moodles, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link
I think I've said it here before but I'm another Rush convert after seeing them live two years ago - they put on a hell of a show, even if it does creep into Spinal Tap-ism at times.
I still haven't delved much into the catalogue beyond Moving Pictures (recommended by a friend) but they've got a gazillion albums and I've got a lifetime to hear them so I'm in no rush. No pun intended.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
Hah, I know tons of people who will state that they hate Rush with a straight face, to this day! This is a widely popular stance, like hating the Grateful Dead. I mean, I love Rush, and get where you are coming from, but this is no surprise at all.
Also, I can understand why people do not like Rob's deal at all, and more power to you, but calling him a "scumbag hack" is pretty rich. If this is a professional thing only then cool I guess, whatever works for you is fine, but I just want to personally state that Rob is one of the nicest people I have met in "the industry" (for lack of a better term). Very far from anyone I would call "a scumbag", but whatever, I have a feeling that this all about his opinions/writing style and nothing to do with him as a person.
― grandavis, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link
I have a feeling that this all about his opinions/writing style and nothing to do with him as a person.
We've never met, so yeah, 100%.
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
Cool man, fire away. Not trying to crusade here at all.
― grandavis, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
My wife hates Rush. Cannot stand Geddy's voice.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:42 (ten years ago) link
Plenty of people hate Rush, even the eighties stuff.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
I think they hate Geddy's voice, and if that alone is enough to make them "hate" Rush - fair enough - then they sure haven't bothered to listen to the music.
Rob Sheffield is indeed one of the nicest people in the world. But I don't like his writing, and while he is no scumbag, he is something of a hack. Which is also fair enough, because the only way to make a living as a music writer these days is to hack away.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
I hate Geddy's voice, but I hate post-Signals earnest mid-rangy Geddy; I love screechy Geddy.
― Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
In any case, Rush hate is pretty on the down-low, because unlike the Dead (for example) there's very little cultural creep on Rush's part. At worst they're a punchline, at best, well, world't biggest cult band. That isn't the Dead. But the Dead hate I believe comes as much from its cultural connotations and traits as much as the music, which is in a lot of ways the anti-Rush: the albums are pretty worthless, but live is where the music happens. Rush is great live, but the band's stock in trade is replicating the perfect arrangements of the albums. Bar a goof-reggae "Working Man" or two. And Rush fans are an innocuous bunch who only make a target because they like Rush - nerds! - not because of how they dress, or what they drive, or being trustafarians or dirty hippies or whatever.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
xpost Now, see, I think you're an outlier! Just as some still connect Rush to Rand based on that one aspect of that one album, I think Rush for a lot of people means Geddy's early years screech (similarly c. "2112"). But every aspect of the band mellows out after the '70s without, imo, a drop in quality. Just a shift.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I tried listening to Counterparts, but the layered Geddy harmonies were an insurmountable hurdle. Which is too bad, because I kinda liked what I heard otherwise.
― Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:01 (ten years ago) link
i really don't see how they are the most hated band ever
listened to Clockwork Angels again yesterday, like it even more now than when it came out
however - can ANYONE understand how those songs fit into the "story"...even by loose concept album standards, idgi
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
tbh, sheffield's thing seems a bit dated to Gen X...i think ppl of our generation there was still more a reaction against some aspects of classic rock (look at almost any early part of a classic rock thread on ILM for example)...because of what i do, i work with lots of ppl 10 yrs younger than me (or younger) and i feel like they just LIKE classic rock, even if it's not what they listen to all the time, they respect it just as "quality music" and like the big hits and the song from Guitar Hero and Rock Band...so I think he's describing stuff that doesn't exist anymore...
if you asked a lot of them what "shit music" was it would be Skrillex probably or like Creed or ICP or something
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, Gen X rebelled against classic rock by, um, listening to Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
Is it self-parody if I wish Clockwork Angels broke out of 4/4 a little more?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, August 9, 2013 11:24 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i know it was dumb but again read all the classic rock threads on ILM, there was a certain mentality
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:32 (ten years ago) link
My embarrassing story of 'how I got into Rush' was having to sing Limelight on Rockband and going 'wow this song is really awesome' and then I wanted to listen to them all the time.
I had always liked 2112/the Temples of Syrinx song but none of their songs had ever really drew me in.
Honestly? I think part of it is the weird timing changes in the songs made me have towork a bit harder to like them and I wasn't ever really patient enough to try til I was older.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
M@tt: no, I totally remember.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
i think the change is maybe due to the fact that it's not your parent's music, it's your grandparent's music....not necessarily something to rebel against, just a part of the cultural landscape, a relic of a time when things were cooler than they are now
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
trying to picture my grandma listening to Rush. failing.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
Haha all I can think of is Geddy's mom in "Beyond the Lighted Stage" saying "It wasn't my kind of music...Perry Como was my kind of music"
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 9 August 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, my second cousin who was 15 for Moving Pictures and played Rush and Police covers in high school just had his first kid a couple of years ago. Mark S's theory that rock movements are about rebelling against your older brother as opposed to your parents is probably OTM.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 9 August 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
I think it is true that younger generations who didn't read alternative music mags from late 70s to the 90s go in for classic rock easier.
Johnny Marr hates Rush and it makes me like him slightly less.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 August 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
doesn't he like the Jam or some shit
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
I doubt Johnny Marr has given Rush enough thought to provide a valuable opinion. My guess would be he, like many, use Rush as a sort of dismissive shorthand while what they probably mean to vocally "hate" is Yes.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
one of the big revelations of the news Smiths book was that Johnny Marr was a huge Tom Petty fan
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
i actually don't totally see Rush as a "prog band" proper
I don't consider Rush a prog band at all. No more than Zeppelin, really.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
Or the Police.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
i guess hemispheres is as close as they got to prog proper....but yeah an expansive musically adventerous hard rock band IMO
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link