HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

the "fake" ripper that gideon turns into is pretty much identical in personality , mannerisms, and bearing to a "real" ripper that exists in a different and extant diegetic reality, from the perspective of the viewer. i like the notion (that i don't actually believe but am going with anyway) that this is what is fucking with hannibal's sense of identity: not that there is a false ripper going around sullying his reputation, but that at some level gideon's ripper is as real as hannibal's.

seriously i love this idea of ripples throughout the hannibal multiverse

Yeah I dig it too - in a weird way, it also fits in with what the show's doing with the georgia madchen/lass thing I mentioned upthread.

Eddie Izzard was a great fit for this role.

i like this show!

the procedural stuff is dreadful (i don't like procedurals). izzard was pretty bad (i don't like izzard). the totem thing was ridiculous.

the menswear for both will and hannibal is amazing. hannibal's ties and collars. will's shirts are never ironed but are quite nice. wtf is going on with will's beard by the way. does he shave just the corners of his jaw?

it kinda looks like he pulls it out in clumps instead of shaving, lol

yeah the tailoring is fantastic. and the design elements of Hannibal's office, or Quantico, just *mwah* so gorgeous

i like hannibal's office curtains!

http://i.imgur.com/wAuEMVO.png

dr chiltern's pimp game was so tight this ep

xpost omg yes the red & grey vertical stripe

no the stripes are horizontal iirc, which is even more pimp game for curtains

http://i.minus.com/ibfixBJuyhcr5y.png

they looks like sheffield united scarfs!

i really want the exact sports jacket will teaches in btw so if anyone recognizes it plz let me know/send me one (i'm 40R)

http://www.fullerroberts.com/

That's Fuller as in Bryan.

Mikkelsen is so freaking good at this role -- the decision to inform his portrayal of Hannibal with normal human emotion, just all out of order and with no outlet for aggression except the most extreme violence really, really works.

The scene where he convinces Crawford that Will is possibly a killer was great.

That, and the scene where he sincerely apologizes to Abigail for having to kill her are exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah the control he shows is SO right for Hannibal. He leaves it up to those little tells, like a small hand gesture, or a muscular tic in the jaw...everything about him is so CAREFUL and so constructed, it's brilliant

so that was a dream sequence at the end, right? did not see that coming.

i am enjoying the comedic stylings of the price & zeller duo very much. not too ott for the tone of this show, just right. they even stand, walk, and sit as a unit in the same two-shot formation in most of their scenes. also like the contrast in the scene in jack's office where their methodology gets some respect and they're not just the quippy functionaries.

freddie and du maurier were both awesome this episode, esp in relation to jack.

i hope hannibal didn't kill abigail, mostly for the normal reasons i don't want any character to die, but also because she's a better subject for hannibal than will. will's condition makes him kind of compromised as an example of hannibal's moral philosophy vis-a-vis his project of "helping him see what he really is" whereas abigail was always "herself" even if she acted under coercion or manipulation. feel like as a character she has a lot of story left of her own to work through wherever she ends up and not just get subsumed into will's narrative as collateral damage or whatnot.

tbh just about everybody in this episode gives jack sass.

Haven't seen the most recent episode yet but I have been loving the shit out of this series. Some of the dialogue is pretty cringeworthy and the STOP>>REWIND>>THIS IS MY DESIGN thing is pretty silly but these are minor flaws. I wonder how long they can drag out Will Graham and Hannibals' relationship before Will finds him out as the Chesapeake Ripper.... seems like this show has a built in shelf-life.

Oh and the lighting and set design are amazing. Never before has longpig sweet meats ever been filmed so lovingly.

this last episode was so surreal I felt like *I* had brain fever

I have an interesting (to me at least) theory on that. A lot of people think that Hannibal is luring Will over the darkside and is using the encephalitis-induced psychosis as a means to this end, but something he said to Gillian Anderson's character struck a chord with me -- he was basically saying something like "a bout of madness can lead to clarity" or something to that effect.

My theory is that he is actually trying to cure Will's empathy disorder, but going about in a characteristically unorthodox and unethical way. Like, he takes his role as Will's psychiatrist seriously and is attempting to treat him or at least test a hypothesis in the name of mental health.

Dunno if I'm right but it would make for a more complex dynamic in their relationship than just trying to turn Will into a killer.

Testing a hypothesis is probably closer to the truth, imo.

I do enjoy seeing how his long game is playing out.

I read an interview with Mikkelsen where he said that he is playing Hannibal as genuinely liking and caring for Will. That portrayal is only part of the whole package, but this is a complex little bit of entertainment even if it isn't very deep, which is what makes it worthwhile.

Interesting. I guess that would make more sense, since the Hannibal he's portraying is very much light & shade

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lool O_o

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/hannibal-show-bryan-fuller-mads-mikkelsen_n_3017744.html

What I love about Mads's approach to the character is that, in our first meeting, he was adamant that he didn't want to do Hopkins or Cox. He talked about the character not so much as 'Hannibal Lecter the cannibal psychiatrist', but as Satan - this fallen angel who's enamoured with mankind and had an affinity for who we are as people, but was definitely not among us - he was other.

"I thought that was a really cool, interesting approach, because I love science fiction and horror and - not that we'd ever do anything deliberately to suggest this - but having it subtextually play as him being Lucifer felt like a really interesting kink to the series.

"It was slightly different than anything that's been done before and it also gives it a slightly more epic quality if you watch the show through the prism of, 'This is Satan at work, tempting someone with the apple of their psyche'.

was googling hugh dancy earlier (somehow i had no idea whatsoever he was english O_o) and amusingly wrt hannibal his father is a professor of philosophy known as a leading proponent of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_particularism

He is one of them actors who is actually worth watching a movie for, just for his presence. If you have not seen it I would recommend checking out his non verbal, enigmatic show in the massively underrated Valhalla Rising.

xp

cox is easily still my favourite lecter tho

I imagine if the 80's Cox had the luxury of an entire series to play Hannibal, he would have nailed it.

as well. I meant to say.

I think Mads definitely gets more to the heart of how I originally imagined Lecter when I read Red Dragon/Silence in HS, before seeing Hopkins on screen.

Not that I disliked Hopkins, but he seemed a little more theatrical & showy than the buttoned down, tidy, studied version I had come to expect.

TV show makes me v happy

Bryan Fuller just tweeted that although that was actual chicken in the chicken soup Hannibal gave to Will in the last episode, he may have used a people stock. O_o.

LOL what a weird detail.

:D

duh hannibal would never waste the bones

he'd probably have had a specially large le creuset cauldron made to order of course

So if he used actual chicken does that mean he was being honest when he said he had an ethical butcher?

i loved how black and shiny the chicken was!

I'm just glad there's a nice doctor to help people find their inner murderer and coax it to life

Beautifully done.

Also hard to tell how much Gillian Anderson's character knew what she was eating.

oh god was she eating abigail

i really really want abigail to still be alive and earless somewhere, but

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Hannibal-Postmortem-Bryan-Fuller-1067011.aspx

So, is he punishing Will?

Fuller: I think that everything that Hannibal has done to Will has been a radical, unorthodox form of therapy. I would argue that all of the deeds still come from a place of genuine care. He is trying to help Will see himself better and get to a truer version of who Hannibal thinks Will is. Even setting him up to take the fall for these murders has been an act of therapy, in Hannibal's mind.

like, almost verbatim:

My theory is that he is actually trying to cure Will's empathy disorder, but going about in a characteristically unorthodox and unethical way. Like, he takes his role as Will's psychiatrist seriously and is attempting to treat him or at least test a hypothesis in the name of mental health.

Dunno if I'm right but it would make for a more complex dynamic in their relationship than just trying to turn Will into a killer.

― Set the controls for the fart of the pun (Viceroy), Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:01 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hannibal moves from lies to the truth really gently and easily. It's also weird and compelling that he allows himself to show warmth most when people he likes see his murderousness best.

A very intriguing and original first season, albeit not without its flaws. Even if it wasn't as good as it is I would still watch the next one on the strength of Mads' performance alone. My new favourite actor on TV (sorry Bryan).

did not expect will to be the killer. great twist!