HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

A friend who's had eye surgery was practically having a meltdown on Twitter over this episode.

shit, i guess i better get a p. honest clock buddy in case my brain is inflamed and i got no clue

yeesh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

why did they make the girl all cro-mag?

I'm sure it was a perfectly fine performance, but sadly I cannot take Eddie Izzard as a serial killer seriously.

yeah, it seemed uncharacteristic for him not to offer his victims the cake option.

the portrayal of dr. gideon was meant to directly reference hopkins' version of lecter? like the entirety of the hopkins movies gets retconned as something that gideon imagined after he became convinced he was the ripper, or something. or else it's a bleeding through from an alt universe where hopkins really is lecter, but in this universe that role's already filled, so gideon becomes a vessel for that persona but can only function as a kind of manque, or a negative that points out the differences in the mads version.

I feel like I say this a lot on this thread, but man this show is so gross.

Also tattlecrime.com better be making crazy money to justify all the shit freddie lounds has been through.

what made gideon ask lecter if he was the ripper?

Gideon's feeling headfucked; meeting the Ripper would help he figure out who he isn't.

the portrayal of dr. gideon was meant to directly reference hopkins' version of lecter? like the entirety of the hopkins movies gets retconned as something that gideon imagined after he became convinced he was the ripper, or something. or else it's a bleeding through from an alt universe where hopkins really is lecter, but in this universe that role's already filled, so gideon becomes a vessel for that persona but can only function as a kind of manque, or a negative that points out the differences in the mads version.

― slugbuggy, Friday, 7 June 2013 18:14 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i'd love to pick your brain sometime

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a135/TheWhiteTuxedo/2012/liotta-hannibal-brain.jpg

posting just to move the bookmark away from that pic :/

:( i'm sorry

lol it's fine, I just didn't want it to freak me/other people out if I'm at work the next time I open this thread

idk, it's one thing for a derivative work to diverge from the source material or even other derivative works in significant ways in terms of characterization or storyline etc., but when you take what was altered or excised and fold it back into the new work where it stands alongside its double it creates a kind of diegetic dissonance.

the "fake" ripper that gideon turns into is pretty much identical in personality , mannerisms, and bearing to a "real" ripper that exists in a different and extant diegetic reality, from the perspective of the viewer. i like the notion (that i don't actually believe but am going with anyway) that this is what is fucking with hannibal's sense of identity: not that there is a false ripper going around sullying his reputation, but that at some level gideon's ripper is as real as hannibal's.

otoh, hannibal already has an other in will that he's trying to turn into the ripper; gideon is kind of superfluous wrt that project anyway.

also i just wanted gideon to ask chilton "cake or death? well, we're all out of cake" before digging into him.

hannibal's conversations with du maurier are really tense:

d: "i know exactly what you are"

h: "out of respect i'm going to deflect that so i don't have to kill you"

d: "noted. wine?"

the "fake" ripper that gideon turns into is pretty much identical in personality , mannerisms, and bearing to a "real" ripper that exists in a different and extant diegetic reality, from the perspective of the viewer. i like the notion (that i don't actually believe but am going with anyway) that this is what is fucking with hannibal's sense of identity: not that there is a false ripper going around sullying his reputation, but that at some level gideon's ripper is as real as hannibal's.

seriously i love this idea of ripples throughout the hannibal multiverse

Yeah I dig it too - in a weird way, it also fits in with what the show's doing with the georgia madchen/lass thing I mentioned upthread.

Eddie Izzard was a great fit for this role.

i like this show!

the procedural stuff is dreadful (i don't like procedurals). izzard was pretty bad (i don't like izzard). the totem thing was ridiculous.

the menswear for both will and hannibal is amazing. hannibal's ties and collars. will's shirts are never ironed but are quite nice. wtf is going on with will's beard by the way. does he shave just the corners of his jaw?

it kinda looks like he pulls it out in clumps instead of shaving, lol

yeah the tailoring is fantastic. and the design elements of Hannibal's office, or Quantico, just *mwah* so gorgeous

i like hannibal's office curtains!

http://i.imgur.com/wAuEMVO.png

dr chiltern's pimp game was so tight this ep

xpost omg yes the red & grey vertical stripe

no the stripes are horizontal iirc, which is even more pimp game for curtains

http://i.minus.com/ibfixBJuyhcr5y.png

they looks like sheffield united scarfs!

i really want the exact sports jacket will teaches in btw so if anyone recognizes it plz let me know/send me one (i'm 40R)

http://www.fullerroberts.com/

That's Fuller as in Bryan.

Mikkelsen is so freaking good at this role -- the decision to inform his portrayal of Hannibal with normal human emotion, just all out of order and with no outlet for aggression except the most extreme violence really, really works.

The scene where he convinces Crawford that Will is possibly a killer was great.

That, and the scene where he sincerely apologizes to Abigail for having to kill her are exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah the control he shows is SO right for Hannibal. He leaves it up to those little tells, like a small hand gesture, or a muscular tic in the jaw...everything about him is so CAREFUL and so constructed, it's brilliant

so that was a dream sequence at the end, right? did not see that coming.

i am enjoying the comedic stylings of the price & zeller duo very much. not too ott for the tone of this show, just right. they even stand, walk, and sit as a unit in the same two-shot formation in most of their scenes. also like the contrast in the scene in jack's office where their methodology gets some respect and they're not just the quippy functionaries.

freddie and du maurier were both awesome this episode, esp in relation to jack.

i hope hannibal didn't kill abigail, mostly for the normal reasons i don't want any character to die, but also because she's a better subject for hannibal than will. will's condition makes him kind of compromised as an example of hannibal's moral philosophy vis-a-vis his project of "helping him see what he really is" whereas abigail was always "herself" even if she acted under coercion or manipulation. feel like as a character she has a lot of story left of her own to work through wherever she ends up and not just get subsumed into will's narrative as collateral damage or whatnot.

tbh just about everybody in this episode gives jack sass.

Haven't seen the most recent episode yet but I have been loving the shit out of this series. Some of the dialogue is pretty cringeworthy and the STOP>>REWIND>>THIS IS MY DESIGN thing is pretty silly but these are minor flaws. I wonder how long they can drag out Will Graham and Hannibals' relationship before Will finds him out as the Chesapeake Ripper.... seems like this show has a built in shelf-life.

Oh and the lighting and set design are amazing. Never before has longpig sweet meats ever been filmed so lovingly.

this last episode was so surreal I felt like *I* had brain fever

I have an interesting (to me at least) theory on that. A lot of people think that Hannibal is luring Will over the darkside and is using the encephalitis-induced psychosis as a means to this end, but something he said to Gillian Anderson's character struck a chord with me -- he was basically saying something like "a bout of madness can lead to clarity" or something to that effect.

My theory is that he is actually trying to cure Will's empathy disorder, but going about in a characteristically unorthodox and unethical way. Like, he takes his role as Will's psychiatrist seriously and is attempting to treat him or at least test a hypothesis in the name of mental health.

Dunno if I'm right but it would make for a more complex dynamic in their relationship than just trying to turn Will into a killer.

Testing a hypothesis is probably closer to the truth, imo.

I do enjoy seeing how his long game is playing out.

I read an interview with Mikkelsen where he said that he is playing Hannibal as genuinely liking and caring for Will. That portrayal is only part of the whole package, but this is a complex little bit of entertainment even if it isn't very deep, which is what makes it worthwhile.

Interesting. I guess that would make more sense, since the Hannibal he's portraying is very much light & shade

Happy Father's Day, everybody! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHDleRmCEAAWlsW.jpg:large

lool O_o

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/hannibal-show-bryan-fuller-mads-mikkelsen_n_3017744.html

What I love about Mads's approach to the character is that, in our first meeting, he was adamant that he didn't want to do Hopkins or Cox. He talked about the character not so much as 'Hannibal Lecter the cannibal psychiatrist', but as Satan - this fallen angel who's enamoured with mankind and had an affinity for who we are as people, but was definitely not among us - he was other.

"I thought that was a really cool, interesting approach, because I love science fiction and horror and - not that we'd ever do anything deliberately to suggest this - but having it subtextually play as him being Lucifer felt like a really interesting kink to the series.

"It was slightly different than anything that's been done before and it also gives it a slightly more epic quality if you watch the show through the prism of, 'This is Satan at work, tempting someone with the apple of their psyche'.

was googling hugh dancy earlier (somehow i had no idea whatsoever he was english O_o) and amusingly wrt hannibal his father is a professor of philosophy known as a leading proponent of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_particularism

He is one of them actors who is actually worth watching a movie for, just for his presence. If you have not seen it I would recommend checking out his non verbal, enigmatic show in the massively underrated Valhalla Rising.

xp

cox is easily still my favourite lecter tho