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i just copied over the contents of a backup CD that i burned in 1998.

it's called "[tracer] - hard disk - 1998 - mac os"

what struck me was how neat and organized everything was. everything in subdivided folders. everything in its place. i had added little icons to everything. i think i know why. because i got to choose where everything went. with os x you don't get to choose. it chooses for you. now i've got like 80 files on the desktop, two different "tmp" folders... yeesh.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, there's this thing called the HOME DIRECTORY. Keep your bleeping files there dude.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

no.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

It is much simpler really.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

well, i mean, i do. i pretty much have to. but on my old mac backup, i noticed that the top level was "fun" "dizzy" "code" "apps" "system" -- i like this a lot better than "applications" "library" "opt" "users" "system"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I changed my top level folders to be images of balloons and put them in different landscapes by changing the folder background

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

once you get your head round it - which takes, what, an hour or two at most? with maybe the odd moment in the first couple of months where you go, oooh, i see, riiight? - the unixy aspect of X is a piece of piss. like jon says, it is simpler and makes more sense - basically because there's an established structure to it, whereas pre-X MacOSes were often crufted and cobbled together with patches and sticky tape and string.

where i think apple went wrong in the beginning is not offering a quick guide to the fundamental differences between OS9 (and below) and OS X. i knew just enough about unix to be very wary of moving anything in X; where a lot of users went wrong in the early days was by blithely shifting vital folders from place to place and renaming them, then wondering why their entire system had fallen over.

i'm not saying the finder's perfect: it annoys me the way icons on the desktop occasionally get moved around, for instance. but, er, this happened before X as well. i mean, i'm writing this on an OS9 machine at work - i can't do any work because uShare has just died, meaning we've lost access to all our unix mounts - and i would give anything to be using X.

fandango, if you're really going to go back to a windows box: i wish you luck. but i think, in the long term, you'll have made a big mistake. still, like i've said to you before: horses, courses etc ;)

ooh: that's the servers back up. back to work.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"blithely shifting vital folders"

exactly. this is what made the original mac os so wonderful and what inspired such bizarre loyalty. as long as you didn't mess around with the mysterious "system" folder you could do whatever you damn pleased.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

is it so hard to just make alias folders wherever you want and organize things however you want without messing with anything? It's not that complicated. Forget OSX's applications folder, I have my own you know?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer: That is a bug, it's a fucking *horrendous* one, and it pissed me off so much that I've filed it with Apple's developer site. It's also very difficult to explain.

Dan: Nice idea, but aliases don't resolve correctly between cocoa/carbon -- and cocoa does it by fucking STRINGS, so you can end up with folders that won't open. The finder is really, really woeful and I won't defend it for a minute.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

(To reproduce Tracer's bug:
1. Take a Finder window with more than 20 items in it, and a range of names
2. Set it to item view.
3. Make it small so you can only see three or four items
4. Press the key matching the first letter of an item scrolled off the bottom.
5. When it selects, click it that item once.
6. Watch as the Finder selects everything between where you were and where you are now.
7. Go to the pub.
)

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

You can organize the Applications folder however you like.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

to just make alias folders wherever you want

exactly. i navigate nimbly through the unix-ness with a series of aliases that take me exactly where i want to go. and i'm running two machines, each with two users and all the shared items/permissions stuff that brings.

(i have just thought of something i HATE about the way it handles aliases to files on shared mounts, but fuck it. i don't expect perfection, yet with OS X i think i'm about 80 per cent of the way there. OS 9 was 60%. windows is in the low 40s.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

You can organize the Applications folder however you like.
No you can't: the Apple updaters only update their apps if they're in the original location because the system can't keep track of apps like wot it used to (ie FSRef).

As for aliases, they're a *complete joke* -- you can't make them to anything other than local disks, and they resolve to the file-in-that-place first, unlike the OS 9 ones, which kept track of the actual file and where you'd moved it. The brain-dead behaviour is now universal ... EXCEPT ONLY SOMETIMES, because apps using FSRef (the good old OS 9 system) WORK CORRECTLY. The inconsistency is the worst bit. Grrrr. For the v. technical: http://rentzsch.com/macosx/pathmaxBlackholing

Stationery: also fucked. If you set something to be a stationery pad, then open it, it creates a copy first then opens that. No more folders of template documents then, Apple?

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The finder is really, really woeful and I won't defend it for a minute. Hurrah! stet, you are a rare free-thinking gem amongst mac-heads.

fandango, if you're really going to go back to a windows box: i wish you luck. but i think, in the long term, you'll have made a big mistake. still, like i've said to you before: horses, courses etc ;)

In the long term, they might have switched over to an intel architecture, and, FIXED THE FUCKING FINDER. Maybe they'll even allow me to do something about the bizzare window management *chuckles* :-)

However, until hell freezes over, I'm far more content typing this from a Windows box and have had NO REGRETS about switching back.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

it creates a copy first then opens that

isn't that what it always did? i know i could check, but i'm busy.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

[o, the irony]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

No, under OS 9 opening stationery opens a new document called "untitled 1" that just happens to have the contents of the stationery. If you then press Apple-S, it asks you for a name.

The new way, it copies it then opens it. So if you Apple-S, it saves to, say, "GF'S Bad Service Template -1" in the "GF's Complaints Letters" folder without asking. If that folder is locked -- like the Designer Masters are at work -- it fails! Silently!.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm actually surprised no one has created a kind of meta-finder that apes OS 9 somehow.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The real reason is that it's deceptively hard: it took years to get the first Finder right, and the new one has to fight between two competing sets of filesystem code, which must be murder. Though if Apple would sort out their internal religious wars on metadata and interface, it'd be a lot easier for them.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread lost me some hours ago.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no problems with aliases.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, shit, they must be fine then. Silly me.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly, Mr. Bubble Lead.

xpost

While we've got the hedz here, anybody have a good solution for fucking FONTS? I use Suitcase, but all my fonts are on an external drive. Suitcase forgets what it's activated, for some reason, so I have to go turn on the sets I want every time I restart. That doesn't happen for fonts on the local drive.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, why do you have fonts on an external drive?

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no problems with aliases, and while I was frustrated switching to OSX at first, I've come to love it, and like any slighty odd and buggy software, live with and/or work around the issues, all of which for me, are minor. I suppose I'm not doing as technical stuff as some of you?

Yes, why are fonts on an external drive? And if suitcase is forgetting, either your suitcase is fucked or the preferences are set wrong. Whatever fonts I open stay open untill I close them.

Now I have a problem with autoactivation with Quark, but am pretty sure it's a bug with Quark, which is a TRULY problematic application I've come to learn to live with.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

it's forgetting because they're on an external drive. it remembers fonts that are on mine. i should just move them over i guess, since i've got tons of HD space now. i had them externally because my HD used to be so incredibly squozen for space (9 G!)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I'm with alba : /

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Any idea if anyplace online sells powerbook "feet"?

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

pic pls

nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Those little nubs on the bottom.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

those are the kinds of things i always need but never know where to buy

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

superglue some skittles

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

painted white

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

$5 says you can find a couple between your sofa cushions.

nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a fouton.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

a lot of people i know use these things, and i do too. it swivels!

http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=PA241U

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 614 for those little adhesive tabs that you put on the cabinet door corner so the door doesn't slam. (0.30 seconds)

nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't need that. xpost

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

!! http://www.cleansweepsupply.com/pages/skugroup18375.html !!

nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Those would rip off in like 3 seconds.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha - apple has a PDF guide to replacing those feet:

http://www.apple.com/support/powerbook/doityourself/17al/

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

And you can buy them here

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you :D

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

here dude, while you're at it, you could probably use some of these products as well:

http://www.assistedlivingstore.com/

nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
read the online tutorial, if you do this you will hardly ever need to call tech support, cause you can set up you own repairs online. use the tools you have at your finger tips; google, ipodding.com, ilounge.com and also the Apple support pages. its all very easy, you just have to put in work to get where you need to get. oh yeah, work would involve showing some ability to do this for yourself, im sorry i guess it would be hard for over 50% of the people on this thread. And for the other group, thanks for being able to read, understand and implement the instructions that are given online. Enjoy your Apple products, have fun.

Krajik Al Thor, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah you fuckin' mac faggots, Windows works great if you know what the fuck you're doing. Jesus if you don't know how to run taskmgr and regedit wtf are you even doing on the internet, fucking gaywads!!!!!

TOMBOT, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.

JENSEITS VON GUT UND BOT, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Nietzsche bots rool.

Evanston Wade (EWW), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

it saddens me that this is the most popular thread i've ever started...i don't even hate Apple anymore.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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