New Burial album. More info?

i think that pipecocks parents need to adjust their netnanny settings

bored. done.

"Which one of you is the car, BTW?

-- John Justen"

the one that isn't your dad

-- pipecock, Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:40 AM (2 minutes ago)

I am kind of amused, however, that this implies that you are getting violated by my dad.

could you tell him to please knock that shit the fuck off, then?

u_u

we have a 10-80 out here, a truck on fire. we have a man on the lift. we are unable to find the switch to turn the lift off and we can't stop the dancing chicken. send an electrician. we're standing by.

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I'm sorta half-drunk, so I think I'm best-equipped to say some of the things need saying around here:

(1) ok west coast, what is it with hot girls and breaks? it rips me apart inside. these girls should be at house nights.

(2) i saw burial fucking santa claus

(3) http://wizznutzz.com/images/nocioni_mascots.jpg

At the risk of sounding a bit purple (like nearly every review of his music, I mean why do some people go on a bizarre evening course type creating writing trip when it comes to this guy?), the first Burial album was a real punch in the gut and made me excited about music in general again for the first time in years. I was (and still am) completely sold on the whole future-dub-dread-dynamic, which brings me to wonder why there was so much hate for the Spaceape track, offend some fluffy idm sensibilities did it?.

Listening to it again recently I realised that my favorite tracks are the more d&b inflicted ones. Maybe I'm secretly hankering after him to either do a straight up d&b album or something more spatial and miminal like the Cyrus album (probably my favorite album of the year). I dunno, I'm just freeforming here. On Untrue he's definately running the risk of attempting to stamp his identity on other areas like UKG (which was deployed with much more subtle effect on the first album) whilst wiping out the heavy dread dynamic that made his stuff so interesting in the first place. People should cut him some slack though, he's only about 25, 26 I think and Untrue sounds to me like a teary love letter to one genre, or sub-genre, getting it off his chest and moving on.

That said, I think it's a pretty good album and demonstrates soemone coming into their own quite rapidly ("Shell of Light is especially good). Mind you, "Stairwell" (off the Kode9 Sonar mix) blows most of Untrue out of the water. Maybe that's what the ealier comment about the alledged "High-Tech darkside album" was referring to. Fuck, I hope he makes it.

Lukas so not OTM about #1 but completely OTM on #2 and #3

I'm not all about a breakz revival or anything, but enough house + breaks love hits the right spot(s) mutually.

Lukas! You can HARNESS THA HAUTENESS of that hot breakz girl in ways other than pretending you like DJ Icey, yknow.

ugh fuck breaks girls

i remember at a RAW + mictlan show a 90 lb white girl with dreadlocks, a sublime beanie and a wifebeater yelling "YO SELECTOR, PLEASE BRING IT RUFF RUGGED AND RAW" during a breakdown

wiggiest scene ever

"ugh fuck breaks girls

i remember at a RAW + mictlan show a 90 lb white girl with dreadlocks, a sublime beanie and a wifebeater yelling "YO SELECTOR, PLEASE BRING IT RUFF RUGGED AND RAW" during a breakdown

wiggiest scene ever

-- moonship journey to baja"

sounds painful.

I roffled.

"we MUST have images on this blog"

Not much love in the comments there...

Posted by: mizrubull old dude on November 23, 2007 7:00 PM:
"I know nothing about this gear but i do have a moby cd (play) and burial sounds like an out and out ripoff of Moby. And nowhere near as good as the original either."

I'm addicted to the journey into an alternate world that I never become familiar with, that has a narcotic euphoric effect, each time I go further into the mystery.
I'm addicted to the journey into an alternate world that I never become familiar with, that has a narcotic euphoric effect, each time I go further into the mystery.
I'm addicted to the journey into an alternate world that I never become familiar with, that has a narcotic euphoric effect, each time I go further into the mystery.
I'm addicted to the journey into an alternate world that I never become familiar with, that has a narcotic euphoric effect, each time I go further into the mystery.

Aren't we all.

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I'm addicted to the journey into an alternate world that I never become familiar with, that has a narcotic euphoric effect, each time I go further into the mystery.

I'm addicted to the journey into an alternate world that I never become familiar with, that has a narcotic euphoric effect, each time I go further into the mystery.

ain't no mystery...

...you're just a retard and don't know it

Breaking news. A picture of Burial has been found.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/weblogs/music/archives/IMG_1760.JPG

He seems so soulful.

He looks a bit like C/-\lum R0b3rt W$dd3ll

The ultimate revenge.

Actually I could see Burial soundtracking a Uwe Boll movie during the creepy disco sequences.

Is that really Burial?

"It sounds straight outta 1998, when trip hop, drum n bass, and goddamn illbient were all swirling around in the air."

haha. it does. but we all love our retro culture.

Burial/Untrue are to Tricky/Photek/Urban Tribe what early-mid '80s ECM albums are to In a Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Weather Report

I can't tell because of the nasal disguise. Why don't you mail that picture to kode9 and ask him? (Xxpost)

"Burial/Untrue are to Tricky/Photek/Urban Tribe what early-mid '80s ECM albums are to In a Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Weather Report

-- Andy K"

least OTM analogy ever.

Actually you just confirmed its OTMness beyond all description. We thank you.

"Actually you just confirmed its OTMness beyond all description. We thank you.

-- Ned Raggett"

yeah because burial is so clean and overproduced just like ECM records are. it is spot on if you have no ears and no brain. which i guess sums up most of ilx. good point!

I know Andy K. Andy K. is a friend of mine. You, sir, are no Andy K.

The admittedly not-thought-out and over-generalized analogy has much more to do with chronology than production values. The basic roots, the time between releases, and that some of the ECM releases had picked up on other things along the line, just as there were developments from Maxinquaye through Burial. (Which makes Untrue = Power Spot [but not quite]?)

StanM: the nasal disguise is too good and would probably fool kode9 himself.

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I'm rarely going to do interviews +
I'm never going to play live +
awesome publicist =
it's too fuckin' easy

The only reason all these big IDM name guys from the late 90s onward ultimately got away with the "too shy to play out (except for this one time and I want mad cash) + awesome publicist" thing is because they occasionally made compelling music.

dubstep is basically the trip hop to grimes hip hop.

there are so many opinions in this thread, and so many of them are wrong

^^^off the money

"dubstep is basically the trip hop to grimes hip hop."

and what makes that a somewhat irrelevant comment is that, alongside bassline, they are both subgenres of uk garage.

"there are so many opinions in this thread, and so many of them are wrong"

you're so right.

what makes that a somewhat irrelevant comment is that, alongside bassline, they are both subgenres of uk garage.

...where does 2step fit into your neat little summation or the breakstep to dubstep tip from nu skool breaks. Where also does tearout, the big brother of bassline also out of nu skool breaks come in or how about 4x4 in relation to house ???

still thinking linear huh ???

how about dubstep is 'roots' to reggaes 'dancehall'...

"and what makes that a somewhat irrelevant comment is that, alongside bassline, they are both subgenres of uk garage."

are you martin clark? what a literal reading of my (pretty obvious, and not exactly new) analogy.

"..where does 2step fit into your neat little summation or the breakstep to dubstep tip from nu skool breaks. Where also does tearout, the big brother of bassline also out of nu skool breaks come in or how about 4x4 in relation to house ???"

2 step was the dominant type of ukg dickhed

nu skool breaks had minimal relation to ukg except sounding a bit like breakstep

"what a literal reading of my (pretty obvious, and not exactly new) analogy."

tell me about it bruv!

If Burial made a modern-day Power Spot that would be quite an achievement!

2 step was the dominant type of ukg dickhed

...says who ???

was so solid garage or 2 step ??? was mj cole 2step not garage and who was more dominant...

dominant like how oh wizened fucktard...

...school me up buddy

nu skool breaks had minimal relation to ukg except sounding a bit like breakstep

breakstep was as much nu skool as it was garage. darquan and zed bias sound were so interchangeable with a lot of cyberfunk, rat, hardcore beats stuff like quest, deekline and narrows which came out of nuskool that led onto the storming productions style of sound

...you cant say they never influenced each other

and what exactly was zed bias ???... 2 step or garage or breakbeat garage or breakstep or what and what then about daluq and phuturistix ???

kinda destroys the clean lines you're trying to draw eh ???

Well, I'm halfway through the album, so I'm going to quietly tiptoe around the debate to say that this album is absolutely destroying me, wow.

I finally got round to hearing this today and the vocals just ruined the whole mood of it for me. I didn't get past track 3 or 4 I think.

Actually I'm siding with Bass here. Sure there was overlap between these scenes but 2-step was the dominant sound of UKG.

Saying "Well Zed Bias was all these things" is the equivalent of saying "doesn't 4 Hero going from hardcore to jungle to broken beat mean all these genres are impossible to distinguish?" Like, duh, artists can change genres. It's to Zed Bias's credit that he actually did make quite a few records on the border - e.g. "Ring the Alarm" is 2-step but also breakbeat garage, albeit probably not breakstep. Nonetheless, his career path as Zed Bias follows a pretty clear trajecory: 2-step in 1999/2000, 2-step/breakbeat garage crossover in 2001, breakbeat garage, jungle and broken beat ever since.

The truth is that while a couple of artists flirted with crossover between breakbeat garage and nu-skool breaks (Stanton Warriors most prominently), most of the prominent artists in the latter genre (Tayo, Bushwacka, Rennie Pilgrem, Adam Freeland, Chris Carter, Tipper, Bill Brewster, Plump DJs, Atomik Hooligans... the list goes on) never had anything to do with garage at all.

Stanton Warriors are one of the most interesting cases. Their absolute best stuff was their early work when they were still some weird speed garage act messing with breaks - see "Too True" and especially the astonishing "Determined" (if anyone has an MP3 of this please hit me up), plus those early remixes of Basement Jaxx, Jocelyn Brown, Busta Rhymes... and then the moment they started drifitng towards breaks (with "Da Virus" and everything that came afterwards) they went downhill precipitously (their last great production moment probably being their remix of Fatboy Slim's "Demons").

If anything, I'd argue breakbeats could only be successfully incorporated into UK garage when the people involved appeared unaware that a fully-fledged breakbeat scene could exist. "138 Trek" had such a negative impact on the scene in that sense (though as a track it's okay).

Sure there was overlap between these scenes but 2-step was the dominant sound of UKG.

to my mind, garage of the 'so solid' variety was the dominant sound of UKG and there is little difference between that and current grime just a name change. The cheesy 2 step and shitty remixes was more reminiscent of UK r'n'b...

...yeah ok so I'm glad to hear someone admit there was overlap and i would contend more overlap than between d'n'b and garage. I mean how many drum and bassheads or junglists ever made garage or 2 step or mixed them together in their sets cos the thing is, nu skool and garage were both around the same bpm and blended well together, maybe not the outright funk shit like 'TCR' 'against the grain' and 'supercharged' but why suddenly is there this lineage thing from jungle to 2 step to dubstep without including the breaks heads ???

...like WTF ???

and i never rated 138 trek, for me it was all about this...

Neighbourhood - Zed Bias featuring Nicky Prince & MC Rumpus

the thing with burial is, if you never liked or heard garage beats you'd think he was on some next level shit...

...but if you had, then his beats would annoy the fuck out of you like they do me

artists can change genres.

...not in dubstep you cant ;P

you actually have to change names and create a new imprint...

...just ask scuba or caspa or scarecrow or tech itch or intex systems yadda yadda yadda