Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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Nunez, you are straight-up crazy, Sisko is just barely below Picard's level on excitable scenery-chewing

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link

He's plenty interesting! After that episode though I'm just reading him as more 'total reprehensible scumbag' than 'waggish ne'er do well'.

He has a really good character arc. That's another reason to stick with the show.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link

most definitely

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

fyi this is my keyring

It's kinda beat up now, the NEVER PLACE FRIENDSHIP ABOVE PROFIT used to be legible

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/sharonjoy666/70E50083-2E6F-4F71-8044-1CB6E6B639BF-123-000000024A514DB0_zpsc22c2bbe.jpg

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link

i also have a click-pen that shows you a different Rule of Acquisition every time you click it :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link

nice!

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link

DS9 was my jam when I was 14 and this thread got me nostalgic and I'm 5 minutes into S1E1 and OMG you're right about SIsko, its like english is his 2nd language and the intonations h'es using are perfectly normal in his language but in english its the worst. Just the way he says "Acknowledged" in that first scene . . .

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:53 (ten years ago) link

imma FP the next person who throws shade at Sisko

FOR REAL

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link

sisko's the only thing i remember liking from any of the DS9 episodes i watched.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link

odo is awesome c'mon

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:02 (ten years ago) link

BOO YA

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link

I just learned what John de Lancie (Q) is up to these days:

Discord is the former ruler of Equestria, and the main antagonist of The Return of Harmony Part 1 and part 2. Once Discord escapes from his stone prison, Twilight Sparkle and her friends must act quickly to summon the Elements of Harmony in order to stop him. He is a representation of the disharmony of pony kind.

polyphonic, Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

(spoilers for a Maquis episode but this scene is great)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4L8owZinw

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link

xp yeah he voices the villain in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Also he voices the father of the Desmond, the protagonist of the videogame series Assassin's Creed.

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link

'the Desmond' lol I spekes Engerlish well good...

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link

Those are good Sisko clips! The face he makes after he pops Q is the kind of weird acting flourish I have been talking about.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:23 (ten years ago) link

i love how he's a total peace & love hippie irl, it's kinda funny in contrast with the clipped brooding captainyness of sisko

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link

avery brooks I mean, not Q

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:38 (ten years ago) link

Hey you know that Jeff and I will be seeing Mr. Brooks on Sunday. And Patrick Stewart on Saturday. La di da

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link

Duuuurh, don't know how I managed to miss it before but this show now makes a lot more sense when I realised that different races = DIFFERENT RACES

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link

xpost omg u guys!! how exciting!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:58 (ten years ago) link

Jesus, this show is significantly weirder than I remember. Siske negotiating with his memories in the wormhole is some budget Lynchian shit.

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

I generally like mannerist performances/disjunctive effects in all kinds of things so I expect once I get over the bends I will be a big Brooks/Sisko fan.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link

When he shows up with a goatee you're almost there, and when he shaves his head you will have arrived at your destination.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:06 (ten years ago) link

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set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link

Wait how big is this click pen -- are t there like 100 rules?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 31 May 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmXzamLDgFk

This is totally Avery Brooks coming through in the character. This was in the last episode before the final 9 episode story arc. Perfect setup.

Jeff, Friday, 31 May 2013 00:36 (ten years ago) link

xpost lol no not all of them, I think it has like 6 or 7 of them

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 May 2013 01:06 (ten years ago) link

i have totally blanked on that "he's just a man!" clip, how i could forget the Sisko rage

Nhex, Saturday, 1 June 2013 02:53 (ten years ago) link

He was the original Barack Obama - after Sisko, the way had already been paved.

Call the Cops, Sunday, 2 June 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link

ebert being inattentive to that pleasure in a positive review is frankly a black mark, but he earns back my goodwill in the nemesis review where he says "life is too short to sit through 10 movies in which the power is shifted around on these shields".

― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed, this is great:

I've also had it with the force shield that protects the Enterprise. The power on this thing is always going down. In movie after movie after movie I have to sit through sequences during which the captain is tersely informed that the front shield is down to 60 percent, or the back shield is down to 10 percent, or the side shield is leaking energy, and the captain tersely orders that power be shifted from the back to the sides or all put in the front, or whatever, and I'm thinking, life is too short to sit through 10 movies in which the power is shifted around on these shields. The shields have been losing power for decades now, and here it is the Second Generation of Star Trek, and they still haven't fixed them. Maybe they should get new batteries.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 2 June 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link

reading that i don't think ebert understands shields - they are protective, they get damaged by enemy fire, energy ablates, and they get less effective. it's not like there are batteries that are running down.

ds9 is spoilt a lot by the new agey rubbish and politics at the end, imo. i prefer voyager. but would watch both again tomorrow.

koogs, Sunday, 2 June 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

That moment when you realise that for months you have been block recording every TNG re-run to an online archive provided by your ISP.

Call the Cops, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link

Why not just buy the recent HD remasters?

Nhex, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link

Because I need money for Sparks remasters I forgot to buy in 2008.

Call the Cops, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Wasn't sure where to put this, but this is incredible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_BtmV4JRSc#at=43

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link

there is no way in hell you're gonna get me to watch a youtube called that

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:56 (ten years ago) link

It's great! It'll make you sniffle! It's a message he records, per the filmer's request, for her infant daughter to watch when she grows up.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link

Really beautiful, honestly. I think I first saw it on a pro gay marriage site.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:59 (ten years ago) link

I find myself in a strange position with the various star treks. They were always on TV on sunday evenings when I was a kid, and because I always used to watch anything that was science fiction, I always used to watch any star trek that was on. I think I must have seen large chunks of (what I now know to be) tos, ng, ds9 and voyager. I had a great time watching them too, very invested in plots and concerned about what was going on in each episode (but not interested at all in any longer season story arcs).

Watching them as an adult, they become embarrassing (hold on though, because I'm not just being a dick to star trek) because of the gulf between the grand ideas and the mundane execution:

* The spaceships don't look very interesting. The designs for monsters, planets etc are competent, and clearly done on an ad-hoc basis, but according to a strict style guide. They're kind of tokens. Here we are on a planet; but you're not going to get too excited about the specifics of this planet because it's just another planet done in a ST style.

* The characters all remind me somehow of American political interns or people giving presentations about their new business project. The quirks and traits are all rather flat, secondary to their professional roles. Relatedly, most 'alien species' just = slight transformations or extrusions of eyebrows, noses, lips.

* It is very condescending to alien cultures.

cardamon, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link

And with star trek, dr who, etc, I think it's worth looking at the anti-geek, anti-fan positions of people who don't like (say) star trek. It's often quite illuminating.

In the case of ST, surely it's because by default you'd expect that going on a space adventure should be exciting and thrilling; you should be hanging on to the edge of a cliff or having a gun battle, beads of sweat ought to be appearing on your brow, terrible beasts scraping at the door of your pod, etc.

ST (definitely from NG onward at least) completely subverts this and instead you watch our team of colleagues brainstorm, carefully consider the best way to neutralise whatever is threatening them this week, come up with a report, and action the program going forward within an acceptable timeframe. At the end there's time for some reflection and humour.

The anti-ST, anti-fan type of person probably finds this totally dishonest and feels short-changed.

cardamon, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link

ST (definitely from NG onward at least) completely subverts this and instead you watch our team of colleagues brainstorm, carefully consider the best way to neutralise whatever is threatening them this week, come up with a report, and action the program going forward within an acceptable timeframe. At the end there's time for some reflection and humour.

This is what I love about the show. I'm going to butcher this, but when news of the JJ Abrams movie came out, someone I follow on twitter said that as a TNG fan, his perfect Star Trek movie would be 1:15 of diplomatic wrangling re the prime directive followed by 20 minutes of reflective moralizing and I was like YES I would see that movie!

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link

from DS9 onward though it was all-war stakes escalation all-the-time. there's a direct continuity between enterprise and nu-trek and it's not just scotty transwarping porthos.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link

TNG = an office in space. Very very different in tone and execution from OST

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link

1:15 of diplomatic wrangling re the prime directive followed by 20 minutes of reflective moralizing and I was like YES I would see that movie!

This would be ludicrously awesome! Though I will admit that I would like any ST movie to include them blowing up at least one other spaceship, preferably borg or romulan. Beyond that, wrangling/moralizing is the way to go.

ashcans (askance johnson), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link

On season 4 of ds9 now. Like tng, the first 2 seasons are hard work, the 3rd is like ok this show has serious highs, season 4 is like, to paraphrase b Wilson on Rubber Soul, 'every single track is a gas'.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link


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