Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

Whats the one with the poker game where thy keep blowing up? That's good, that one

I saw that flute-whistle-whatevs thing on late-night TV and I though I was dreaming. Did dig it too though, don't get me wrong.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_and_Effect_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

The production team had hoped to get Kirstie Alley in a cameo role behind Kelsey Grammer in the USS Bozeman shots, reprising her role as Lt. Saavik from the movie Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, but her asking price was too high for such a small role.[1]

They could have got the other saavik cheaper I'd bet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA

I just burst out laughing when I saw the "HD Version" link in the YouTube window.

They could have got the other saavik cheaper I'd bet

Even better, re-cast the part with Shelley Long

That is my kind of humour!

Guys DS9 is kind of rough going. I mean it's picking up a bit... we just watched episode 5. IDK I guess TNG was kind of chore for the first several episodes too. Avery Brooks' line reading style takes a lot of getting used to. He's a really strange, mannered actor, especially in that opening two-parter.

it gets watchable much more quickly than TNG. if you could suffer through the first two seasons of TNG, you can get through the first two of DS9

It helps that there's a novelty alien every 5 minutes to look at.

you will learn to love the Sisko

you better >:(

sisko rocks. he's totally weird but that's a big part of his charm. have you seen his segment in captains where he answers shatner's questions with jazz piano?

No but now I'm looking forward to it!

sisko is really bland compared to dukat, weyoun, garak. You can see Avery brooks really come to life on the few outings where they do something different than just "constantly irritated bureaucrat."

what i can't even

Sisko is not bland that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

That said, Dukat, Weyoun, and Garak are fucking amazing.

I've enthused about the DS9 relaunch novels before on this thread, but they provide some great insight into Garak's character that is making our rewatch of the series even more delightful.

Dukat is just such a perfect balance of charming, smarmy, and utter sociopath.

that time sisko went undercover as a Klingon, there was this look in the actor's eyes like "finally I get to do something fun!"
there's a line later where he goes "I'll miss those fangs" -- I think that's brooks talking, not just sisko

smdh

Andrew Robinson is a brilliant character actor, Garak is awesome.

but yeah. I don't even understand *how* Sisko is bland. I'm confused over what you could possibly want from that character that Avery Brooks does not bring.

If I had the time and skill and wherewithal, I would make a supercut of Avery Brooks' more astounding moments of scenery chewing and general weirdness re: his delivery of certain lines (one in particular is in an, I think, mirror universe episode (or as we like to call them Kira Wears a Headband episodes) where he changes command codes and when MirrorKira finds out, he throws up his hands and says, "Ha HA! I changed it!" in a way that defies description) and I would probably watch it like, every day.

One interesting thing they could have done was make him less duty-bound.
Like have him more actively rebel against obligations to star fleet and being a messiah.

"In the Pale Moonlight"

Mirror sisko was great but that just underlines how regular sisko is a bland anchor character

Quark is kind of vexing, he's sort of played for the usual scoundrel lols but then it's like 'hi your work for hire dancer contract stipulates you must also fuck me' which is kind of like, oh i see he's a total piece of shit?

he gets more interesting throughout the series imo

He's plenty interesting! After that episode though I'm just reading him as more 'total reprehensible scumbag' than 'waggish ne'er do well'.

I liked in the pale moonlight but it's garak who gets to do the scarface "you need me to be the bad guy" speech. He's practically rubbing the constraints of the sisko character in his face.

It might have also been interesting to follow the slippery ethics of wartime sisko to some kind of psychologically rending conclusion over an arc (like they do with dukat) but he's basically cool with it by end of episode.

Nunez, you are straight-up crazy, Sisko is just barely below Picard's level on excitable scenery-chewing

He's plenty interesting! After that episode though I'm just reading him as more 'total reprehensible scumbag' than 'waggish ne'er do well'.

He has a really good character arc. That's another reason to stick with the show.

most definitely

fyi this is my keyring

It's kinda beat up now, the NEVER PLACE FRIENDSHIP ABOVE PROFIT used to be legible

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i also have a click-pen that shows you a different Rule of Acquisition every time you click it :D

nice!

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DS9 was my jam when I was 14 and this thread got me nostalgic and I'm 5 minutes into S1E1 and OMG you're right about SIsko, its like english is his 2nd language and the intonations h'es using are perfectly normal in his language but in english its the worst. Just the way he says "Acknowledged" in that first scene . . .

imma FP the next person who throws shade at Sisko

FOR REAL

sisko's the only thing i remember liking from any of the DS9 episodes i watched.

odo is awesome c'mon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NQnac8Abk

BOO YA

I just learned what John de Lancie (Q) is up to these days:

Discord is the former ruler of Equestria, and the main antagonist of The Return of Harmony Part 1 and part 2. Once Discord escapes from his stone prison, Twilight Sparkle and her friends must act quickly to summon the Elements of Harmony in order to stop him. He is a representation of the disharmony of pony kind.

(spoilers for a Maquis episode but this scene is great)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4L8owZinw

xp yeah he voices the villain in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Also he voices the father of the Desmond, the protagonist of the videogame series Assassin's Creed.

'the Desmond' lol I spekes Engerlish well good...

Those are good Sisko clips! The face he makes after he pops Q is the kind of weird acting flourish I have been talking about.

i love how he's a total peace & love hippie irl, it's kinda funny in contrast with the clipped brooding captainyness of sisko