ArchCarrier and Algerian Goalkeeper should make a poll together. how about a noise rock or an avant rock poll later on?
― cock chirea, Saturday, 18 May 2013 01:15 (ten years ago) link
kudos ArchCarrier!
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah, this was fun.
my ballot...
TRACKS: (ordered 1-30 from top)
Cotton CrownGhost BitchSchizophreniaIntro/Brave Men RunTotal TrashTeresa's Sound WorldThe Diamond SeaHits Of SunshineShadow Of A DoubtI Dreamed I DreamHalloweenUnwindBeauty Lies In The EyeThe SprawlDo You Believe In RaptureRain KingDrunk ButterflyFlowerI Love Her All The TimeSnare Girl'Cross The BreezeComputer AgeWashing MachineMaking The Nature Scene (Ciccone Youth version)Death Valley '69Marilyn MooreHyper StationRain On TinSlaapkamers Met SlagroomTunic
ALBUMS:01 Bad Moon Rising02 Sister03 Evol04 Daydream Nation05 A Thousand Leaves
BAND MEMBER:Kim
LEAST-UGLY ALBUM COVER:Bad Moon Rising
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Saturday, 18 May 2013 01:20 (ten years ago) link
Tracks:
01. Schizophrenia02. Hallowe'en03. (I Got A) Catholic Block04. Shadow Of A Doubt05. Tuff Gnarl06. Teen Age Riot07. Tunic (Song for Karen)08. Eric's Trip09. Death Valley 6910. Expressway To Your Skull11. I Dreamed I Dream12. Cinderella's Big Score13. Hey Joni14. Kotton Krown15. Star Power16. Flower17. Stereo Sanctity18. Candle19. G-Force (Ciccone Youth)20. Secret Girl21. Pacific Coast Highway22. Making the Nature Scene23. Shaking Hell24. JC25. The Sprawl26. Titanium Expose27. Mote28. Brother James29. Inhuman30. Eliminator Jr.
Albums:
01. Sister02. Evol03. Daydream Nation04. Goo05. Confusion Is Sex
Member:
Kim Gordon
Least-ugly LP cover:
Bad Moon Rising
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Thanks ArchCarrier!
I like "The Diamond Sea" but didn't expect it to place quite that high. Correct #1, though!
So I was the only vote for "G-Force?!" Can't resist creepy backwoods Kim G.
― Kent Burt, Saturday, 18 May 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link
stuff that nobody voted for (82-00):
I Don't Want to Push ItThe Good and the BadEcho CanyonEarly AmericanBubblegumScooter + JinxHendrix NecroStalkerI Love You Mary JaneCompilation BluesStarfield RoadDoctor's OrdersWaistJunkie's PromiseMieux: De CorrosionHerinneringenStilContre le sexismeHeather AngelHungara vivoRadio-AmatorojRenegade PrincessLightnin'
plus most of SYR5 and Goodbye 20th Century
― cock chirea, Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
my distressingly centrist ballot:
1. Schizophrenia2. Mote3. I Dreamed I Dream4. Stereo Sanctity5. Rain King6. Brother James7. Expressway to Yr Skull8. Shadow of a Doubt9. Tokyo Eye10. Death Valley '6911. MacBeth12. Cotton Crown13. Kill Yr. Idols14. In the Kingdom #1915. Beauty Lies in the Eye16. Pipeline / Kill Time17. Brave Men Run (in My Family)18. Pacific Coast Highway19. Eric's Trip20. 'Cross the Breeze21. Purr22. Trilogy II - Hyperstation23. Trilogy III - Eliminator Jr.24. Tunic (Song for Karen)25. Youth Against Fascism26. Theresa's Sound World27. Tom Violence28. The Diamond Sea29. I Love Her All the Time30. Mary-Christ
only real regrets are not voting for "flower" and "master=dik". and maybe "my new house", which could go on forever far as i'm concerned. love steve (?) yelling "CHORUS!" in the background every time it comes around.
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link
oh, and i don't really regret cutting "total trash", cuz it did just fine w/out me, but it feels dishonest in retrospect. prob should have been top ten.
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:38 (ten years ago) link
Man, I totally agree with some dude re "Total Trash".
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
― cock chirea, Saturday, May 18, 2013 2:30 AM (15 minutes ago)
People voted for "I Love You Mary Jane"! Since it was a collaboration, it ended up in the sub-poll up against Psychic Hearts et al. Was on my tracks ballot until I realised it wasn't eligible; shuffled everything else up and appended "Master=Dik", heh.
― etc, Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
Also, wow @ Raymond's ballot. Def on for that pint.
xpost
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
"Hendrix Necro" is DOOOOPE. another Dirty outtake better than half the stuff on the album.
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:52 (ten years ago) link
Silver Session sounds really pleasant and enjoyable now. I don't know why I found it boring before.
Hm, I don't think I've heard "Hendrix Necro".
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
"100%" b-side, on the deluxe reissue of Dirty
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 02:59 (ten years ago) link
s'good
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
forgot to include "the destroyed room", another b side from the same period
i love the distorted bass on hendrix necro and other songs from that era (mildred pierce, youth against fascism, bone). not sure why kim didn't use that sound more often, a entire SY record with that bass tone would've been great.
― cock chirea, Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:20 (ten years ago) link
Oh, I do know this song. I was really hoping it was an instrumental guitar feedback Hendrix tribute.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:34 (ten years ago) link
stuff that nobody voted for (82-00):...Stalker...Starfield Road
If I'd voted, "Stalker" would definitely have gotten a vote and "Starfield Road" probably would have gotten squeezed off the list at the last minute.
But "Within You Without You" would have been top 10, and not just because it's the song where I "got" Sonic Youth--I also think it's a perfect cover, honoring what's great about the original while making it completely their own. And the descent-into-squall middle section is right up there with "Silver Rocket."
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 18 May 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
forgot to include "the destroyed room", another b side from the same periodSomeone did vote for 'The Bedroom', which is the same song.
― ArchCarrier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 06:28 (ten years ago) link
Great work ArchCarrier, really enjoyed getting back into SY this past couple of weeks.
My ballot:
TRACKS1. The Diamond Sea2. Candle3. Shadow of a Doubt4. Disappearer5. Hey Joni6. 'Cross the Breeze7. Unmade Bed8. Tom Violence9. Sugar Kane10. Disconnection Notice11. Wish Fulfillment12. Catholic Block13. Mote14. Expressway to Yr. Skull15. Incinerate16. Stones17. Silver Rocket18. Kissability19. Stereo Sanctity20. Beauty Lies in the Eye21. The Empty Page22. Genetic23. Tunic (Song for Karen)24. Sunday25. Peace Attack26. The World Looks Red27. Skink28. Rain King29. Pipeline/Kill Time30. Theresa's Sound-World ALBUMS1. Evol2. Daydream Nation3. Sister4. Sonic Nurse5. Goo
― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 18 May 2013 10:19 (ten years ago) link
Just had a look at the big 80s poll where "Schizophrenia" placed second, and there's really any discussion there either - uh, so, why is it an obvious #1 / what lifts it 200-ish points above the rest of their catalogue? I've only recently gotten around to listening to Sister, and there's a bit of disjunction between the title/reputation and what it actually sounds like.
― etc, Saturday, 18 May 2013 12:04 (ten years ago) link
I think it's kind of a unique song in their catalog in many ways -- Steve playing mostly toms (and i think the snare off on the snare drum?), it has this kind of minimal melodic sound of a lot of their slower songs but it's kind of fast and propulsive, one of the only songs where Thurston and Kim alternate long sections of each doing lead vocals, also has a completely different tone and sound from the album that follows. plus there's some possible autobiography in the lyrics (but it was Kim's brother, not sister, that was schizophrenic), but generally the story is kind of vague and eerie.
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 12:11 (ten years ago) link
Strikes me as a tighter version of a few threads from evol: descending melodic line like Tom Violence, spooky Kim vocal like Shadow, psych-ending like Expressway. When I first heard it (when it came out) it seemed like they were just firing on all cylinders on that track.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 18 May 2013 12:56 (ten years ago) link
some dude otm. most of the things i said about "shadow of a doubt" apply here: it's creepy, sexy, mysterious and radiantly beautiful. a perfect pop song that doesn't at all resemble the conventional image of such a thing. i fell in love with it the first time i heard it, and my affection hasn't faded a bit over the years.
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 May 2013 12:59 (ten years ago) link
i def understand how it might be hard to get into the track when it's hyped as their ultimate moment, but its tight otherworldliness totally blew me away when discovering it in my teens
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:00 (ten years ago) link
one way you know it has some surreal romantic weight - m83 totally jacked the climax for "don't save us from flames"
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:01 (ten years ago) link
daydream nation was just a perfect sndtrk for the election of Bush I.... i remember listening to it on a Walkman daily as i strolled down 8th Avenue to work.
Ranaldo is also my fave band member.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link
of the 20x or so times i saw em play, first was on a bill w/ the Minutemen i think
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:04 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzPsMalV8ns
first hearing the shift at 3:28 was a real "oh no you didn't" moment
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:04 (ten years ago) link
I go back and forth w "Schizophrenia"; when I first got into SY and couldn't find anything earlier than DN at the record stores in the malls, it was def a quality older cut. But as I became more exposed not only to their catalogue, but to more music in general, I kind of thought of its uptempo hookiness as sort of bland. But some time in the last couple of years I watched the performance of it at the beginning of The Year Punk Broke, and that reinstated some of that initial strangeness of the song for,me. But I still left it off my ballot...
I do think that as hooky guitar rock goes, it has a really interesting structure--it has no chorus, which is weird, but weirder still is how easy it is to almost forget that, how complete it feels without one--and really builds and develops in unusual ways. The instrumental , which is most of the song, is put together so that the melody/noise ratio is carefully modulated, so as to ratchet up or dissipate tension as needed. The song doesn't seem longer than it is or shorter, but with the amount of stuff they do and ideas they pack in there, it feels like it should be longer. And again, all of this moves so effortlessly that it is easy to take it for granted, as in my aforementioned sniffiness about the song. Taken apart, the diff't components of the song feel very left-field, but put back together, it makes perfect musical sense. But then, that's p much late-80s SY in a nutshell...
― smartphones - the government's secret weapon against ILX (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:07 (ten years ago) link
i like the idea of hearing schizophrenia as "bland uptempo hookiness"
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:11 (ten years ago) link
oh man did morbs vote? would wanna see that ballot
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:11 (ten years ago) link
xpost like it's their "that thing you do!"
my first exposure to several of their '80s classics was the performances in The Year Punk Broke and i sorta wish it wasn't, don't think that's the best way to hear those songs
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:12 (ten years ago) link
anybody confused by thurston's future midlife crisis needs a supercut of his bits from that
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:14 (ten years ago) link
cutting off his bits is not the answer, i don't think
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link
hiyo
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:20 (ten years ago) link
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:11 AM (13 minutes ago)
I don't think he indulges in such piffle as the artist polls.
― What makes a man shart fire? (WilliamC), Saturday, 18 May 2013 13:26 (ten years ago) link
I do think that as hooky guitar rock goes, it has a really interesting structure--it has no chorus, which is weird, but weirder still is how easy it is to almost forget that, how complete it feels without one--and really builds and develops in unusual ways. The instrumental , which is most of the song, is put together so that the melody/noise ratio is carefully modulated, so as to ratchet up or dissipate tension as needed. The song doesn't seem longer than it is or shorter, but with the amount of stuff they do and ideas they pack in there, it feels like it should be longer. And again, all of this moves so effortlessly that it is easy to take it for granted, as in my aforementioned sniffiness about the song
OTM. Also, it's worth emphasizing that none of the sections ever come back again after they move on to something new, which is what makes it possible for them to fit so much into 4 minutes! Often, that sort of thing could lead to a really messy composition but they manage to make everything flow in a way that feels organic.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Ha, that film put me off Sonic Youth for years - a friend's girlfriend put it on for a group of us, this was in about 1995 when we were in our total grunge backlash phase, we couldn't have been less interested. I've still not seen in full.
― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 18 May 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link
I think that was my first exposure to them too.
I saw it in 1997 and was already a fan. At the time, I was almost embarrassed by how dumb Thurston acted and thought the live footage of Sonic Youth was pretty unininspiring except for "Expressway". I thought they were being total asses when they had a chance to do something great for a wider audience, out of sheer arrogance and contempt. Later I thought they were maybe just nervous and awkward about suddenly being on a big label and being in front of bigger audiences than they were used to. After the discussion of T&K's wealth on the other thread, I've been thinking that they were phoning it in for a quick cash grab when it came to things like this and half-assed compilation cuts.
Did someone at Geffen honestly think that Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr had anything to do with punk breaking?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's better than I remembered though.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
i mean the title of the movie was definitely tongue-in-cheek, and picked out before it ended up being kind of true. don't think DGC was very involved with the movie at all, i kind of imagine if Nevermind and everything hadn't happened they might not have bothered putting out the VHS.
the goofiness of the movie and of their '90s half-assed compilation cuts seems very of a piece with Thurston's Master Dik-era goofiness, that's one place where i feel like major label money didn't change them at all.
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
That makes some sense. Honestly, I don't remember it that well. Maybe I'll watch it again.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 May 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
fave tracks (1-30)
the diamond sea
starpower
wildflower soul
shadow of doubt
total trash
skip tracer
kill yr idols
disappearer
the sprawl
brother james
green light
the burning spear
sugar kane
karen revisited
kotton krown
pattern recognition
expressway to yr skull
catholic block
teen age riot
dirty boots
schizophrenia
tom violence
mote
macbeth
stereo sanctity
death valley ‘69
hey joni
little trouble girl
rain on tin
into the groovey
fave albums
evol
washing machine
sister
daydream nation
murray st
fave album cover - goo
fave band member - lee renaldo
side projects
thurston moore - demolished thoughts
free kitten - sentimental education
lee renaldo - scriptures of the golden eternity
― balls, Saturday, 18 May 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link
Sentimental Education was a wild record
― trick paddy pollars (some dude), Saturday, 18 May 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link
in the choose-yr-own-aesthetic-adventure narrative of SY’s career, here’s this month's preferred arc (would like to know who else slotted Inhuman at #1, but I'm not sure I need to ask):1) Inhuman2) Death to our Friends3) Brother James4) Shadow of a Doubt5) Brave Men Run6) Schizophrenia7) Death Valley ‘698) I Dreamed I Dream9) Flower10) Starpower11) Society is a Hole12) Kill Yr. Idols13) She’s in a Bad Mood14) Protect Me You15) Making the Nature Scene16) Shaking Hell17) I’m Insane18) Beauty Lies in the Eye19) Pacific Coast Highway20) Macbeth21) Youth Against Fascism22) JC23) Fire Engine Dreams24) Loop Cat25) Side2Side26) Panty Lies27) Peace Attack28) The Neutral29) Jams Run Free30) What A Waste
1) Confusion is Sex2) Bad Moon Rising3) EVOL4) Kill Yr. Idols5) Sister
band member: KGcover: BMR
― Hellhouse, Saturday, 18 May 2013 22:50 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah my top 5 albums were
1. Sister2. Sonic Nurse3. Washing Machine4. Goo5. EVOL
Big drop between 1 and 2
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 May 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link
sleeve, there's the excellent gila monster jamboree vhs documenting a show from 85 in the mojave deserthttp://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/vid2.html― today's tom soy yum, mean mean thai (Spectrist), Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:37 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Holy shit, this is fantastic (on you tube)
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 19 May 2013 00:07 (ten years ago) link
Croup!!! Sonic Nurse!
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 May 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link