Nilsson - C or D?

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duit on mon dei and sandman are definitely a mixed bag (at best?)

the outtakes stuff is pretty exciting no?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 16 May 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link

I've heard most of the demos/outtakes from Pussycats, Nilsson Schmillson, Aerial Ballet and Pandemonium Shadow Show (not too fond of the latter tbh) - but yeah the rest sounds interesting

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link

whoops that didn't work. this thing i mean:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3D4uW44cDSw/SHoYn-3F0gI/AAAAAAAACD4/xmrz11_oCO4/s400/PROMO%2BKnnilssonn%2BMask1.jpg

dschinghis kraan (NickB), Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link

for me the appeal is the later albums, most of which I've never been able to hear/find. I have a bunch of the extras from previous reissues of the early/peak period stuff, but I've never heard any of the albums after Son of Schmillson (except for Knilllssson, which is pretty good)

There's a piece of me that's always longed to write a long form essay on his last four RCA albums. None of them are amazing from front to back -- and as noted upthread, Knilllssson is a little overrated IMO. But what he was trying to do on those albums--the rolling studio parties and buffets, the Lenny Bruce homages, the cast of characters, and the songs themselves--is entirely unique as a moment in post-60s music industry culture.

I might want the biography more.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link

I think this is my favorite Nilsson outtake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhj85VNUT_k

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 May 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link

the glory of the beat-up vinyl is that some of these albums have got really fun sleeves (inners *and* outers)

Better than the albums themselves arguably!

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Friday, 17 May 2013 09:02 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

he still looks young there, but it wasn't too long before he died :(

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link

I had to look up who EJ Gold was, interesting career there

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link

"jump into the fire" is so fantastic, i've just listened to it on repeat for a while

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 8 August 2013 06:23 (ten years ago) link

Interesting article on a sports website from a guy seemingly obsessed with Nilsson

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9529179/the-legacy-harry-nilsson

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 8 August 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link

thanks for that!

it's probably just the bass and the echo effects but does "jump into the fire" sound kind of dub-y to anyone else?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link

dub-y and, weirdly, a bit like the minutemen

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link

Still waiting for Amazon to deliver mine, it's now 10 days late

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Monday, 12 August 2013 10:07 (ten years ago) link

I see the Mercury album got a recent re-release also.

Mark G, Monday, 12 August 2013 10:17 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

fortheloveofharry.blogspot.com/

I don't got 'permission' to go in here anymore, what to do?

So far, I'm up to "Sandman", and I've not noticed a massive drop in quality..

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link

You haven't played "How to Write a Song" yet then

Saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link

Possibly not.

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 23:40 (ten years ago) link

Actually, I had: It's not the greatest song on the album, but it ends well.

Also, the 'extra track' "A Tree out in the Yard" sounds a lot like Joe Strummer with the Mescaleros.

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link

"The Flying Saucer Song" is shite too

Saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link

Thought I'd check out the lyrics:

http://www.songlyrics.com/harry-nilsson/the-flying-saucer-song-lyrics/

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link

LOL, Harry thought it was one of the best things he'd ever written... Jesus, but cocaine is a dangerous drug

Saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link

Actually, the one on "Sandman" is a little better than the 'extra' version on Pussy Cats.

Was litening to the "Pussy Cats" one first, thought it "funny" but wondered how anyone would listen to it more than once. A b-side, maybe.

The "Sandman" would just bear repeat, but a b-side nonetheless...

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link

More like a z-side. Talking of cocaine, I do love "The Ivy Covered Walls"... and "Something True" of course.

Saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link

What I don't understand is that his vocals are almost as pure and unblemished as in his heyday on both those tracks but definitely so on "The Ivy Covered Walls", so he must have had good and bad days

Saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link

Well, yeah.

The legend goes, he never played live, and he shot his voice 'competing' with Lennon.

Had both those things been opposite, he could well have shot his voice that way.

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.bustle.com/#/articles/102638-what-song-is-in-the-by-the-sea-trailer-perfect-day-is-both-an-ideal

See, when you hear a vocal and think "That's very Nilsson", its usually because it *is* Nilsson.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 07:06 (eight years ago) link

I read the Nilsson bio earlier in the summer, it was a good book and had a lot of interesting details, but boy was it depressing! He was a mess for a long time and it is painful to read through the details of his very long decline.

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link

All That Jazz turned me onto Perfect Day.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link

I read the Nilsson bio earlier in the summer, it was a good book and had a lot of interesting details, but boy was it depressing! He was a mess for a long time and it is painful to read through the details of his very long decline.

Haven't read it but his childhood didn't sound like a bed of roses either.

The Tony Hart Land (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

Finally properly getting into Pandemonium Shadow Show after owning it for ages and ages. Lovely lovely album. I think of him so much as this shambling Seventies guy, it's refreshing to see him back in the setting of 1967, a twee sort of fellow, capitalizing on the Summer of Love's affair with penny-farthing times and Davy Jones stylings (re: "Cuddly Toy") even as it's clear he has much more of a stake in pre-war pop than probably any of his contemporaries. "She's Leaving Home" does more for this album than it does for Pepper's easily, "1941" is more affecting and insightful than either "Cat's in the Cradle" or "Lonely Boy," and "She Sang Hymns Out of Tune" prefigures "Without You" as a song that seems like such a Nilsson song it's hard to accept that it's actually a cover. Lovely record.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 November 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link

yeah it's a great album. the "River Deep-Mountain High" here is excellent, in particular when he shouts

AND NOW I'M GONNA BE AS FAITHFUL AS THAT PUPPY

and I'm like YES I'M GONNA BE THAT FAITHFUL TOO, as faithful as that puppy too

and you're not sure if he's pulling your leg, like does he "mean" it? like a puppy? LIKE A SCHOOLBOY LOVES HIS PET! my oh my

but all you have is the song, and what a song, and that's what he means.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link

Have always preferred Nilsson pre-Nilsson Schmilsson tbh, not that later Nilsson isn't great too, tho less consistently.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

I really don't like that first album, I guess pre-war pop is a hard-sell for me - all those tack pianos and stiff oompah rhythms

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 November 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link

There's not really that much 'pre-war' POP on the first album, it's fairly diverse, there's more of it on "Harry".

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link

Can't explain that POP there lol.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, that's fair... guess I was thinking more the ~sensibility~ though that's tough to pin down evidence for. It just seems very disconnected from 1967, except for this one thread of everybody no matter how hard and scuzzy having one light, melodious pastiche of the olden days tossed somewhere on side B (see: Good Trip or Bummer? U.S. Psych Bands Doing "Old-Timey" Songs on Their Albums though I imagine you all know what I mean). And even where Nilsson isn't doing something specifically old-timey, the light touch and the clear, clean recordings mean that the old-timey numbers don't jump out as not being of-a-piece with the rest. It's very different from what he'd do on, say, Touch of Schmilsson in the Night but it still feels out-of-its-time, to me.

OTOH there's the argument that the wild psychy rock world was itself never 100% dominant, I mean lots of people('s parents) were still buying records by old squares in 1967. I was thinking the other night of trying to square Nilsson with Manilow somehow, Nilsson as Manilow minus the consistency of show-biz instincts, but plus a way better voice, something. It didn't really hold up though. I was pretty hungry at the time.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link

The material split between Aerial Ballet (a better album on the whole imo) and PSS kinda run together for me - I agree they fall into that "Psych Bands Doing Old Timey Songs" thread category (a la the Association's "Wasn't It a Bit Like Now" or VD Parks' "Song Cycle"). A whole album (or nearly a whole album) of that stuff grates on me, the affectation just isn't something that really gets me emotionally, it just feels like little kids playing dress up in grandma's clothes or something.

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link

lol I see I am the first post on that thread

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link

and no mention of "Auntie Grizelda" for shame

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link

recent fave nilsson rarity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CWyZhlheM

tylerw, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link

Never thought of Auntie Grizelda as part of that whole business to be honest! More like dressing up as a psychedelic rock band, plus "antics," for the kids. See also important early Doctor Casino release Are there more songs like "Him Or Me (What's It Gonna Be)," "Your Auntie Grizelda," and "My Uncle Used To Love Me But She Died?" And if so, what are they? .

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Watching "Midnight Cowboy" and was reminded how classic Nilsson was.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 06:28 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

OTM

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 23 July 2017 08:30 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Picked up the Flash Harry reissue from a few years back and have to say it's better than I was ever led to believe. Lovely sound, some nice songs, Nilsson's pipes aren't in great shape but it's pleasant. People who like Knnillssonn and can tolerate Eric Idle will find this enjoyable.

yellow is the color of some raisins (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

Just finished "Nilsson: The Life Of A Singer-Songwriter" by Alyn Shipton which I got out of the library. For an artist who died 25 years ago and who kind of flew under the radar in a lot of ways, it’s extremely well-written and researched and ultimately pretty heartbreaking.

There are tons of great stories in here – including a crazy hitchhiking story when he was super young. The drama in his backstory alone—being told by his mother that his dad was dead when he had actually started another family, discovering in his forties that his parents had given birth to another brother—is pretty amazing. It’s not hard to understand what drove his music and self-destructiveness.

There’s also a lot of good detail on the music itself and insight from his various collaborators (Richard Perry, VDP, Perry Botkin) on how (and why) he really sabotaged his own career. It really paints Son of Schmilsson as a pivotal record in him turning his back on stardom – I knew about “You’re Breaking My Heart,” but less about him refusing to write a hit, do second takes and tone down dirty lyrics. Perry tells one story of trying to get him to only release the second, more romantic half of “The Most Beautiful World in the World” but Harry insisted that the cod-reggae first half be included and ending the record with the lines:

And over your shoulder
You look back to see if it's real
Tell her she's beautiful
Roll the world over
And give her a kiss and a feel


Also lots of great detail on his mid-70s party records, Popeye shenanigans in Malta, stage and film work in the 80s. Like most of these things, it’s pretty depressing in parts, but also fascinating in that he was creative, productive and witty to the end, beloved by an enormous group of friends and utterly uncompromised. You want to be sad but as the author notes, it’s hard to think the guy didn’t wrench every minute out of his 52 years.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link

thanks for sharing that

nilsson sings newman is so fucking good

Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link


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