Would you rather have been a Beatle, or have walked on the moon?

From Elvis Telecom's link:

Of course, all questions of budget or federal jurisdiction aside, an Offworld Landscapes National Park or National Monument is an incredible thing to contemplate.

A National Park—or, why not, a UNESCO Offworld Heritage Site—that consists only and entirely of landscapes designed to simulate other planets!

Would visit.

yeah me too

except it's in phoenix = hot as fuck = maybe visit at night? idk

Also JFTR an abundance of gravity would be the last thing anyone wants when trying to shoot things into space for reasons that should be pretty obvious so

starving to death/being killed by hostile natives hardly unique to explorers throughout history tbh

experiencing a completely foreign environment - ie, one without air, moisture or gravity = totally unique

but keep comin at me bro, fulfill that deepseated desire you have to disagree with me about every single little thing I say rmde

but, you always make your arguments on Shakey's grounds.

think about how much more money+pussy the conquistadors got than the apollo astronauts

doesn't look like the most romantic feeling an explorer has ever known NOW does it

(actually, many of them died in debt in the jungle. but yknow.)

wk I'm not saying they weren't in the military.

I know you were saying they were something better than merely "in the military". but my point, (and I think where aimless was coming from as well) is that the most basic aspects of being in the military are so fundamentally unpalatable to me that it doesn't matter that they were the coolest badass dudes in the military. they were still in the military and therefore had a job I would never want to have.

but it was all worth it they got to bounce around on a desolate rock for a few hours

I would go to the moon like this though...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aIluE3pyWJk/UElnQJUDhaI/AAAAAAAADzw/VGgZnj-U9MI/s1600/02.jpg

but keep comin at me bro, fulfill that deepseated desire you have to disagree with me about every single little thing I say rmde

― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:47 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol stop saying categorically stupid shit and engaging in false binaries

http://www.onelowerlight.com/writing/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/out_of_the_silent_planet.jpg

not really. closest thing is maybe the guys who first scaled Everest (w/out oxygen).

my point is you can say "not really. closest thing is maybe Rolling Stones" for Beatles. "more different" is really arbitrary/subjective. if they were able to simulate a moon walk conditions on Earth how "more different" is it truly?

i voted the beatles because i want to die in 1980

by simulate moon walk do you mean training in a swimming pool or vomit comet?

presumably gd means getting some kind of brain implant so that you will be under the impression you once saw your entire home planet hanging over your head like a fragile soapy marble

lool

Holy shit the astronauts experienced zero gravity and a complete lack of oxygen and water

oh, wait

(i) no they didnt tbh
(ii) sounds shit anyway

lol

i forget which astronaut it was, but he did say that one look at earth from that perspective turned him into a pacifist.
it was like instant karma.

no need for implant, go to a planetarium

Here's a crazy secret from the space program: The solution to providing air to people in environments where there is no air had been trivially obvious since the late 19th century, when it was called "deep sea diving." And Jacques Cousteau made it super-easy nearly 30 years before we landed someone on the moon.

lol yeah right

lol jacques cousteau that's not even a real name bahaha as if the French could do anything before the US

Lol phil actually believes we put men under the water smh

wow the hippie logic on display in this thread

Kind of a stoner question to begin with tbh

Hippie logic is the type of oxymoron the astronauts experienced living without

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02358/beatles_2358325b.jpg

(is george flipping off the camera?)

Tripping off certainly

i forget which astronaut it was, but he did say that one look at earth from that perspective turned him into a pacifist.
it was like instant karma.

Self-promoting a small essay I wrote about the history of the first "Spaceship Earth photograph" and how it became a symbol of tech-hippie empowerment. Also includes Mad Men.

great stuff, Elvis!

I'm not convinced by these half-assed arguments that exploring the earth is somehow JUST LIKE exploring the moon gtfo with that shit

it's not just like, it's similar. just like being a bar band is similar to being a fucking Beatle.

would you rather be astronauts in space camp or in the beatles during germany?

I voted "Beatle" without even having to think about it but I do think there is a bigger difference between exploring another continent on the same planet and going to the moon than there is between playing in a bar band and playing in the Beatles.

I spent a month on a dutch trawler once i cant imagine the journey to the moon was any nicer an experience speaking practically, so gettin 5x the value from my bounce for a couple days meh not worth it

if they landed on some swingin planet with some alien babes, bourbon flowing in rivers, whip cream covered mountains, dr pepper falling as rain, sign me up. they left the earth's atmosphere, could not leave their tiny lil pod otherwise they'd die, then landed on a big desolate rock w/no atmosphere so they couldn't take off the cocoon-like spacesuits otherwise they'd die. sweetest part was being able to brag about it and get free grandslams at Denny's for 50 yrs afterwards.

Here's a crazy secret from the space program: The solution to providing air to people in environments where there is no air had been trivially obvious since the late 19th century, when it was called "deep sea diving." And Jacques Cousteau made it super-easy nearly 30 years before we landed someone on the moon.

Water won't penetrate if yr suit has a microscopic hole, whereas in space that's all yr air gone.

As I recall, they didn't use anything remotely resembling scuba technology for the space program. Pressurized air/oxygen would be so heavy they'd never get the capsule into orbit.

i forget which astronaut it was, but he did say that one look at earth from that perspective turned him into a pacifist.
it was like instant karma.

reading the wikis for the 12 guys who went up there, I was surprised that a couple of them are climate change deniers.

climate never changes inside that suit

wow the hippie logic on display in this thread

I feel like I've been such a hippie on this thread but on the other hand by picking beatles I'm denying the whole "space is the place" / "interstellar overdrive" / "space is deep" side of my imagination. but then it occurred to me that maybe I wasn't really that into space all of this time but maybe space was like a metaphor or for inner space man. woah, makes you think.

Many xp, I'm not saying the astronauts used scuba technology; I'm saying "How do we give people air where there's no air?" was not some previously unimaginable engineering problem that humans had never tackled before.

Water won't penetrate if yr suit has a microscopic hole, whereas in space that's all yr air gone.

Depends how deep you are and what kind of suit. You gain one atomsphere every 33 feet.

Aso at least two astronauts, including Gene Cernan, have survived having their suits torn while in vacuum. A microscopic hole in a pressure suit, depending on location, depth and your distance from the spacecraft, is far from a death sentence.

You people watch too many movies.

In other words, the problem had already been solved long before, but that solution was not useful in space, so it had to be solved all over again in an entirely new way.

I know, it's almost as if instead of arising out of whole cloth anew each time, science and engineering build on a groundwork of what came before, even if it doesn't provide a direct solution. Crazy!

frank sinatra solved the problem of getting waterfalls of pussy but it had to be solved all over again by the Beatles for a new generation.