the Shiina Ringo thread

"Fukushuu" is the only song on the album that throws me off the trail a bit, silly metal

It's not really all that metal (not that I'm into metal at all--but I like some of the more metal sounding metal they've done in the past).

The beginning of "Metro" keeps reminding me of "Genius of Love" even though the two songs obviously don't sound much alike overall.

I love the doo-doo-DOO-doo-doo part on "Metro."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOQvRFt2Eho

(MP, what do you think about asking a moderator to change the thread title to "the Shiina Ringo and Tokyo Jihen thread"? I don't want to ask since you are the OP. Or should we start a new Tokyo Jihen thread?--but isn't it a little late for that?)

Does Uki say something about "a tall man lady" in "Boutomin" or is that just me straining to make sense of lyrics I can't quite hear?

I gave in and ordered a copy.

"Fukushuu" is laughably bad. It's a shame it comes smack in the middle of the album, but it would be out of place anywhere else on it. I think any of the EP songs that weren't included would have been a better substitute.

It's almost like I distrust this album for being so happy, especially because I can't stop listening to it

also, unlike earlier Shiina & Jihen albums... I'm not listening to this one like an album, I'm skipping around, going for my favorite tracks. I remain mostly an album-listener as opposed to an iPod / singles listener precisely because of trust, I mainly want to listen to artists capable enough to assemble a sustained statement, when I listen to nothing but quality singles for a few hours I get numbed out, I feel promiscuous in a bad way

Though I was wrong about what I said upthread about empty -- the songs are slick and Shiina's vocals are not surface, they are deep, when she goes for it on the chorus of 'Metro' there are a couple of seconds where you realize it's not a happy song at all, and then before you can even blink, they've turned the sunlamp back on

a great record, the fear

I'm still waiting for my copy from cdjapan. I hope it didn't get lost in the mail.

I don't care that the songs aren't as perfect as songs, and aren't as melodically transcendent (sorry, I'm too tired to choose better words) as the ones Shiina Ringo writes typically are. There's a lot else to like about this album. There are great little harmonic things all over it. (At least I think that's what they are--non-musician speaking.)

And yes, attention to detail, in general.

(Still waiting for actual CD, and then I'll go comment on Electric Mole once I have that I guess. Hi guys.)

Rockist! You are all over this thing!

And maybe Sasha Frere-Jones should be listening to Tokyo Jihen instead of all those indie bands.

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I know. Apologies. I think it's partly because I keep posting these one to three sentence comments.

You should check out the new album, if you haven't.

Only just recieved the CD of this, the artwork is really great!

I have the CD now. I'm not entirely satisifed with the sound (and I mean in terms of production and SOUND, I don't me the style of the music). It seems to be a step back from Adult. It doesn't seem as full as it should be. Maybe I've spent too much time listening to it on small PC speakers and it seems to spread out on stereo speakers? I'd say the sound improves on the second half of the album. Now that I actually have the CD, I'm feeling a little less into it--so, bummer. I still like it, I just find more ambivalence creeping back.

I think they probably should have sat on this a while more, pulled it together more somehow.

Call me crazy, but this one is actually pulling me in for repeated listens more than the previous two! I don't know what I was expecting from it, but it's much much better than I thought it would be.

yeah I'm torn about this one for all the longterm fanboy reasons -- many Shiina trademarks have gone missing from the music and I miss them -- but the result is something that I think is going to pull in a lot of people. J-pop fans who can do Puffy & Pizzicato 5 sweetness overload won't be frightened off by the intense noise & drama, and yet the new album is still enough of a polished J-pop/Western pop hybrid that it won't activate any sugar allergies that keep most people away from J-pop

I still love the record, save for that total bomb right in the middle -- but maybe it is time Jihen get their own thread

their new tour has just started -- evidently they're going for all out rock, sounds good, wish she were touring here

maybe it is time Jihen get their own thread

Do it.

I was thinking about doing it after hearing the new album.

I came "this" close...

But I thought it might have been done by now.

I think someone else needs to start the 'Tokyo Jihen - Variety' thread

in the meantime, new DVD-only single 'Senkou Shoujo' (written by Kameda)

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ylyX11ewFVU

pretty emo'd out! nice nod to Bergman's 'Persona' at the end

Good, but a little average, but it has to be given time.

Why does youtube.com think I'm in Spain now? Everything's coming up in Spanish and Spain is given as my location.

Same thing is happening with me too.

I think it has something to do with the link. When I went into youtube cold, it went away.

yes it's very average. reminds me mostly of _other J-pop bands_. I still love it, but it's been a long slow road from crazy to get me here

I suspect non-crazy peoples won't have any problems taking to this at all though, it is quality.

showing a friend of mine the Tokyo Incidents - Souretsu DOMESTIC! Virgin LINE clip, she noted that the last line 'Your face. / Let me see it, please.' is a spin on the Japanese custom of asking someone to pull back a sheet that's covering the face of the deceased so one can pay their respects with hands folded & head bowed. And sure enough, that's her pose at the end of the clip. Usually one doesn't ask the deceased to uncover their own face, she can be a little demanding

the Sabbath > Carpenters > Folke Rabe version of Kuki is back up with a bunch of other things from Electric Mole as well

I've listened to the new album a couple of times, and... well, I feel very differently about it than you guys, Milton and Rocket, moreso with respect to any J-Pop comparisons, mainly because I'm not exactly sure if the term "J-Pop" means any particular sound anymore.

Once upon a time, sure, but today? It's like "indie rock" in that respect. You can get a sense, but there's so much breadth in J-Pop these days that everyone is going to imagine a different sound when the term comes up today... ALL of that is just to say that I don't think the new Tokyo Jihen is any more "J-Pop" than the previous two albums at all. It's lighter and has more space, sure. In fact, isn't condensation an element of "Classic J-Pop" anyway i.e. putting as much flavors of sugar into one nuclear chunk of pop fudge as possible? The new Jihen is a bit of the opposite in some ways, moreso than the previous two.

I'll listen to this album a few more times, but I'm not understanding what you guys were getting at above at all... not meant as a dis at all, just sayin'.

Well, I freely admit to not being that familiar with J-pop, so I don't think I'm prepared to martial any sort of arguments for my impression, but it's still my impression.

ok well good questions

when I say J-Pop I'm talking explictly about the 90's and maybe early 00's -- we need a new term for the last few years. I don't think it describes any one sound as much as their approach to the entire appropriation of any / many Western styles, but all redeployed / remade towards histrionically happy shiny ends. Puffy's first few records produced with Tamio Okuda are still the best example of this for me, a band with zero style loyalty, one song modelled on Pearl Jam, the next on ELO, the next Disco, the next Beatles 1964-65 complete, but all remade with... well... squeaky intent, exuberant joy

for instance even a band like Number Girl that's based entirely on emo indie comes out sounding more twee than wistful (although they did stick out simply by going for emo)

even the bands going for a very tough image, who favor 'punk' or tough sounds... there's something in the music that is inherently lighthearted and happy, it seems like a disjunct when it gets to the chorus. someone like Tomoe Shinohara might have ramped it up to such psychotic avant levels that you were left bleeding, but still... she's still J-Pop

from her first record, Shiina was always much weirder, even when she was doing Alanis / Nirvana tributes. the ringmod distortion on the vocals, the twisted lyrical content, the nods to the Japanese Noise underground, the pre-Shōwa pop influences, the Asian classical arrangements placed her outside of what I would have ever called J-Pop. She stuck out and then she took it too far for 75% of her mainstream fanbase with KZK, and since then it's been a long return through Jihen, literally announced as a 'Japanese Pop' band, a clean break from the drama & outright strangeness of her solo stuff

solo Ringo had many 'pure entertainment' moments (the 'Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You' cover with the kazoo break for instance), but with Jihen the albums really started filling up with these 'pure entertainment' numbers, the early video for their cover of Peggy Lee's "Dynamite" was really throwing down the gauntlet. the albums were still built around dark songs, though, everyone bought the first Jihen for 'Sounan' and she was still making crazyeyes during the 'Dynamite Out' live DVD. the crazyeyes are gone now, she's not writing any of the tunes, it's all (mostly) sunshine -- that intent, more than any sound or style or production method is what I'm connecting to trad 90's J-Pop. I don't think this record has much variety either, I think the title is a reference to its multiple authors and lack of a center.

that make any sense? I know you know your J-Pop a lot better than I do, most of it makes my eyes bleed

that was a longwinded way of saying 'it's more like J-pop simply because it's much sweeter than earlier Jihen'

still, even though my teeth are beginning to hurt, I still think Jihen is _the_ J-Pop band for people who would normally shy from J-Pop, the gateway drug

That totally answers my question actually, and now I'm getting what you're saying above. :D

Yeah, J-Pop hasn't completely disconnected itself from whence it came, although the artists are starting to appropriate Western stuff more interestingly and succinctly than ever before.. Kumi Koda's stuff is a perfect example of this. (No, I won't force you to go listen to Kumi Koda to understand this. lol.)

http://strikeup.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/tokyo-jihen-senkou-shoujo-pv-and-audio-rip/

& this song isn't average after all, it's kinda perfect

Re-watching clips from Tokyo Jihen's Dynamite Out! I am amazed over and over again by how completely on the band is. As much as I don't hate the new line-up (and love Adult), it's sad this version came to an end so quickly.

based on the youtube clips that one does seem like the DVD to get if you're buying one (sadly it's one of the two live DVDs I don't have). the DOMESTIC! Virgin LINE TV special is still my favorite for its first half, but it's still commercially unavailable

New PV DVD has a version of Senkou Shoujo sung in English called 'Put Your Camera Down'. I prefer the single version, especially with that video.

pictures from the current Spa & Treatment Japanese tour, posted by user kroneko in EM forums

http://photo15.yupoo.com/20071122/201225_341513000_xdszlxht.jpg
http://photo14.yupoo.com/20071122/201213_649408648_cenvbksu.jpg
http://photo15.yupoo.com/20071122/201219_220184604_hoarlidj.jpg

this tour's production looks more portable than last year's, kind of hope this means they're thinking about playing a few shows over here

did not know one my favorite b-sides was a cover

Cyndi Lauper Unconditional Love Live Japan 1991
Shiina Ringo Unconditional Love (Kabukichou no Joou b-side)

(Kabukichou no Joou was her 2nd single from 1999, way early Ringo, though the production on the drums during the bridge is quietly psycho)

Ever get the feeling that Uki really want to be playing a banjo sometimes?

Sorry, I'm not into that solo Shiina Cyndi Lauper cover.

Bad but kind of hilarious cover:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnvkSkVWLfI&feature=related

Well, okay maybe not hilarious, but very WTF.

Oh shit, a Shiina Ringo thread. Found this through google, though I usually frequent other boards here. Nice! I love finding other people who actually know about her greatness.

Senkou Shoujo: the song is good stuff, though maybe a bit too much on the poppier side (Kameda wrote it). I like the English version a little better, but that could just be the added effect from the familiarity more than the tempo change. The video is great either way.

took me a while to get a handle on variety (which my ipod for whatever reason translates as "an entertainment") but it landed on my top 10 list. in the lower reaches, because it's spottier than the first two, but i like most of it a lot. i even like fukushuu/vengeance -- their grunge song, or their concrete blonde song or whatever, i think it's kind of hilarious. it definitely misses shiina's writing, but it still has her presence, which isn't a small thing. and "ramp," "backstage," "o.s.c.a.," "my way," "killer tune," "metro," "ss/aw" -- lots of great songs. the towering piano interlude in "sake and nondrinker" is more or less classic all by itself.

http://strikeup.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/tokyo-jihen-spa-and-treatment-tour-videos-for-download/#more-142

TV broadcast of Spa and Treatment Tour aired 5 January 2008

Man, whoever runs Strike Up! is awesome. So much good stuff to download that will never been put out on DVD or anything. Not that I can afford to buy those anyway (someday I will watch you, Dynamite Out!... someday).

Mothra: Totally agree on Variety. Not as good as the first two, but still a lot of good songs, enjoyable listen despite the lack of Shiina's songwriting. I actually enjoy Fukushuu too, especially the outro and the somewhat goofy lyrics (hurt you from behind...)

'botomin' from variety is a really well-constructed little number. fine, fine vocal interplay and the bass solo is a very nice touch.

is there a site somewhere that lists songwriting/production credits etc?

I usually check this one out.

http://www.ether-sea.com/ringo/

Thanks for pointing that out Milton, I am enjoying most of it immensely. (And these concerts videos are great too.)