The National - Trouble Will Find Me

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i do notice tropes though, he always wants to be carried by something

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:20 (six years ago) link

bc he is drunk

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

i probably wouldn't listen to this band as much as i have were it not for the lyrics

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

Wow, just starting in on this and this album sounds about as good as this sort of music gets. Really sad and gorgeous. Def. of a piece with their past, which means, basically, like U2 had U2 taken a different, darker, less populist path.

"Demons" reminds me of "Drive" by the Cars.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:25 (six years ago) link

"i should live in salt" is a really unassuming opener compared to "fake empire" and "terrible love"

better for it, imo

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:27 (six years ago) link

the national are at their best for me when they construct their songs around two, three, really strong hooks

feel like geese of beverly hill / city middle from alligator are the best examples of this for me, and the lyrics make them, "serve me the sky with a big slice of lemon" / "you were parking your car, you said i'm overwhelmed, you were thinking out loud"

probably the second one is a lil' too on the nose about what a sad sack indie loser finds poignant but *looks in mirror* *laughs nervously*

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:30 (six years ago) link

I'm amazed that (the to all appearances well adjusted) Berninger can so easily shift into this mode. Well, I mean, maybe it's not easy, but he's not dead, so clearly he's got a system.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:33 (six years ago) link

xxxxp Many, many years ago, when Boxer came out, I asked him about all his lyrics about drinking and pouring a drink and being drunk, etc, because they seemed to reflect the kind of desire to escape from reality and responsibilities that songwriters typically condemn or demonize. But his reasoning for all the drinking references is that he just really enjoys drinking. For him, drinking is a romantic impulse, not a shameful one.

“In songwriting, there aren’t any rules. You don’t have to grow up and be responsible. When I’m sitting, writing lyrics and drinking wine, I don’t want to have to solve the issues in my life or anything else’s, or write a political song. That’s the last thing I wanted to do: I just want to get kind of drunk. And so, for me, the band is the place to do that. The rest of my life is what I take seriously.”

Evan R, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:34 (six years ago) link

That always stuck with me for some reason. I think a lot of the band's appeal is that the create this safe space where it's ok to just have a drink, consequences be damned

Evan R, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:36 (six years ago) link

oh so now it's Berninger who wants to start a fight about what's a political song

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:37 (six years ago) link

Let's talk about wine baby, let's talk about you and me

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:40 (six years ago) link

it's ok to just have a drink, consequences be damned

or even have a drink, consequences are then experienced but aren't mediated with any kind of judgment

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

The other theme I always linked to the Nationals is finance/workplace, which is something I always found refreshing somehow.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

For some reason, I've been listening to Berninger as Id (or Super Ego?) to Gregg Dulli's Ego.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link

Ohio etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

relistened to high violet and i think the production lets it down; comes off as a nothing-y wash. but i love "lemonworld" and "england"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:03 (six years ago) link

"England" is grand.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

Also, this group epitomizes the maxim that a band is only as good as its drummer.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

OTM. It's even more palpable at concerts.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:06 (six years ago) link

Their drummer is their lead guitarist imo

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:09 (six years ago) link

their drummer is their not-so-secret weapon mos def

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:31 (six years ago) link

duh

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:43 (six years ago) link

for real

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:06 (six years ago) link

god i hope i never have to go through a break up again but at least i know the national and this album will be there for me...
this thought is among my first impressions

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:08 (six years ago) link

finally heard this all the way through; was all ready to yell about the length and yet, i guess bc of how well they sustain the mood, it feels shorter than it is

"pink rabbits" is tremendous

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2013 01:11 (six years ago) link

when we finally meet you can buy me a pink rabbit and we can determine whether it produces effects and scenarios like Berninger describes.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 May 2013 01:18 (six years ago) link

Speaking of which, does that refer to this beer? Hadn't heard of it before.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 10 May 2013 12:47 (six years ago) link

that sounds revolting

Number None, Friday, 10 May 2013 12:53 (six years ago) link

Can't picture Berninger drinking such a thing.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 May 2013 12:55 (six years ago) link

re drummers felt this was about tindersticks. they had an amazing drummer. and then they didn't, and their music stopped being very good.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 10 May 2013 15:09 (six years ago) link

well the drummer came back and they reformed as 'the national' have you checked them out?

乒乓, Friday, 10 May 2013 15:09 (six years ago) link

felt this way

cover of this album has that "by virtue of the hype and the market this record should be a Big Record with a Big Concept but we don't know what it is so we're just going to give you this kind of bombastic minimalist cover image to ponder" thing

see also coldplay and a lot of other british bands

i'm trying to not let that aspect of it spoil my enjoyment

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 10 May 2013 15:11 (six years ago) link

well it's someone trapped in a mirror which to be fair is what most national songs are about

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2013 17:13 (six years ago) link

?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 10 May 2013 17:44 (six years ago) link

"i need my girl" is devastating

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Friday, 10 May 2013 17:45 (six years ago) link

that arpeggio?

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 May 2013 17:47 (six years ago) link

?

idk feel like a lot of national songs are like a fall of details + feeling extremely lost in self-reflection

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2013 17:50 (six years ago) link

im goin thru the glass again/come and find me
god loves everybody/don't remind me

johnny crunch, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:25 (six years ago) link

yeah it's one of their catchiest little guitar riffs in a minute, al

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Friday, 10 May 2013 18:54 (six years ago) link

on a scale of one to ten how depressing is this?

markers, Friday, 10 May 2013 19:04 (six years ago) link

Brad Nelso otm

whiskey and ice cream sandwiches (Treeship), Friday, 10 May 2013 19:06 (six years ago) link

Brad Nelso

this is your new name

markers, Friday, 10 May 2013 19:08 (six years ago) link

easier to type

markers, Friday, 10 May 2013 19:08 (six years ago) link

when i walk into a room
i do not light it up.

fuck.

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

remember when you lost your shit and drove the car into the garden?
you got out and said “i’m sorry” to the vines and no one saw it.

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

yeah this album is a return to a heavier focus on lyrics (verses at least) compared to HOOKS ONLY m.o. of high violet

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Friday, 10 May 2013 19:54 (six years ago) link

that might explain my reluctance

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 May 2013 20:52 (six years ago) link

it's okay to be sad, alfred

乒乓, Friday, 10 May 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link


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