10) bacon
― Mr. Que, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
yes, it's surprising there isn't more discussion of music in this thread about an album that hasn't been released yet
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 February 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
actually, my post had nothing to do with this particular thread and more to do with ilm threads in general, hence my not calling it "topics being discussed on this sonic youth thread"
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Friday, 13 February 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry i got confused because you posted it in this sonic youth thread
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 February 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't really know why i'm defending this shit, i hate ilm as much as anyone
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 February 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
1) sociology: hipsters2) poll position placement: tbd3) hipsters: check4) strawmen: hipsters5) hipster strawmen: check6) links to blogs: countdown...7) cover art: goatse8) font: "indeterminate"9) music:
― contenderizer, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
here's #6.............http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/2009/02/12/coming-june-9-sonic-youths-the-eternal/
― Mr. Que, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
10) gear whinging that discussing the author, audience, social context, creation, or packaging of a piece of music isn't really talking about the music maaaan
― some dude, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
that's #11
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Friday, 13 February 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
do keep up
my bad
― some dude, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/thumb/6/6b/ItchyScratchyLemonade.png/250px-ItchyScratchyLemonade.png
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Friday, 13 February 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
i like their earlier fonts better maaaan
― eman, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
CALOTO, as opposed to CALBOTI
― Lowell N. Behold'n, Friday, 13 February 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
"‘The Eternal’ features many firsts for a Sonic Youth album, including a number of shared vocals between Kim, Thurston, and Lee...
Intrigued. Always loved "Kotton Krown" for the co-vocals and wondered why they never tried it again.
(Could it be that harmonies are for pussies?)
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 14 February 2009 04:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder if they mean songs where all 3 sing lead? because there are plenty of songs where both Thurston and Kim sing lead, Thurston and Lee both on "Unwind," and a lot w/ all of them singing in unison (especially on NYC Ghosts).
― some dude, Saturday, 14 February 2009 04:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm looking forward to hearing this. They've had a great run as of late. They make better records in the 2000s than they did in the 1990s. If we were to chart their decades/album career path on a graph, it would be a V shape.
― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 14 February 2009 04:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Since it will be said, I'll be the one to say it: I hope 'Poison Arrow' is the ABC cover. I love that song.
― Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt, Saturday, 14 February 2009 05:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I've been waiting all day for someone to make that totally obvious comment. Sonic Youth and ABC, peas and carrots.
― some dude, Saturday, 14 February 2009 05:13 (fifteen years ago) link
"Anti Orgasm" is the track Kim Gordon will sound like she's being fucked, right?
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 14 February 2009 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Rather Ripped mostly just sounded like ordinary MTVU-ish shaggy guitar pop to me, but not done especially well. Doesn't have most of the elements I like about SY (or about shaggy guitar pop!). With some exceptions, I generally don't think that straightforward pop/rock songs showcase the band's strengths (which IMO do not include tuneful singing or songcraft in any traditional sense).
Sundar, who else would you nominate? I mean I guess it all depends on how broadly you define "Sonic Youth-style band," but still, I feel like for all their influence they're still in a category fo their own.
It certainly depends, and I'm probably pretty broad (to a point many would find silly) with my definitions, but I pretty much think that most artists working with any of the ideas SY work with are doing more interesting things with them right now. For psychedelic indie sludge, I'd rather listen to Oneida or Dead Meadow. For Branca-ish guitar meltdown in a rock context, I'd rather listen to a Mick Barr project. For epic shoegazing, I'd rather listen to Alcest or Caina. For finely crafted avant-guitar compositions that still rock, I'd rather listen to the Nels Cline Singers; Bill Frisell for ones that are more pretty than rocking, etc. I'd probably even find, say, Deerhoof a more interesting band now.
Sonic Youth do have their own idiosyncratic sound despite all this though, even if it's just a product of their limitations.
(I'm probably burnt out from listening too much for too long, honestly.)
― Sundar, Saturday, 14 February 2009 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link
so do live versions of any of the new songs exist anywhere?
― Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I remember when I was younger being such an obsessive SY newsgroup/mailing list nerd that I heard a bunch of live recordings of the A Thousand Leaves and NYC Ghosts songs before the albums were out, and ended up being really unsatisfied with the studio recordings for that reason (or maybe not just for that reason? I still don't think those albums feature particularly good performances/production even when I like the material). I'm kinda glad I've been hearing the last few albums in more of a vacuum where I can take them on their own terms.
― pour some suggban on me (some dude), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm so stoked that Mark Ibold is now an official member of Sonic Youth; it's like your dopey uncle finally passing the bar or something.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
lol. i guess Kim's just so into playing 3rd guitar at this point that they're always going to have a 5th member on bass from now on?
― pour some suggban on me (some dude), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
If "Slow Revolution" (the one xclusif from the Starbucks comp) is an indication of The Eternal, this will be awesome. (Granted, "Slow Revolution" is mostly an instrumental.)
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link
fifth member should be dj olive (lol trip hop)
― eman, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
With Michael Duane back in NY (I think) and Ibold bassing for SY, this is the best shot at a Dustdevils reunion that I can imagine. Someone send a plane ticket to Australia.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Didn't hear the last two but I feel ready for new Sonic Youth. Fahey's arsehole art is a subject of great personal interest to me but unfortunately I can't find any information. Tour would be good.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm in the excited crowd.
Apart from it being a Fahey arse-painting the cover is dull though.
― krakow, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
this site's pretty dope - http://sonicyouth.utkonos.org/lossless/
― just sayin, Friday, 27 February 2009 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Did that St@rbuck's comp ever actually come out? I never saw a single copy in any store I stopped in. I'm not a daily coffee fiend, but I stopped by often enough to assume I'd have seen it at some point.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 February 2009 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha, did I know you in alt.music.sonic-youth days, some dude?
― Sundar, Friday, 27 February 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe! I know there was one other person on ILM a couple years ago that remembered me from there, can't remember who but I don't think it was you (IIRC my screenname was "hotel opera" and i signed my posts "al").
― I'm your biggest fan, here's your suggest ban (some dude), Friday, 27 February 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
jvc, it was only available in "New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C."
Dunno if that extends to the entire metropolitan area of each of those cities, but if not, then that might explain it. (I'm most of your Starbucks visits are in the suburbs.)
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Friday, 27 February 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
*I'm assuming most...
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Friday, 27 February 2009 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Unfortunately they are, that must explain it. I don't think I would have shelled out $16 or whatever for the one unreleased track, but I was wondering why I never came across it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 February 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Malibu Gas Station (feat. Ludacris & Jeremy Piven)
― Eazy, Friday, 27 February 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
free live record when you order the eternal, sounds pretty cool
― schlump, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
For the curious (and those who wish to mock), here's where the "leaky lifeboat" reference comes from in Gregory Corso's poem "For Homer," written, I think in the '80s or early '90s.
For Homer
by Gregory Corso
There’s rust on the old truths
-Ironclad clichés erode
New lies don’t smell as nice
as new shoes
I’ve years of poems to type up
40 years of smoking to stop
I’ve no steady income
No home
And because my hands are autochthonic
I can never wash them enough
I feel dumb
I feel like an old mangy bull
crashing through the red rag
of an alcoholic day
Yet it’s all so beautiful
isn’t it?
How perfect the entire system of things
The human body
all in proportion to its form
Nothing useless
Truly as though a god had indeed warranted it so
And the sun for day the moon for night
And the grass the cow the milk
That we all in time die.
You’d think there would be chaos
the futility of it all.
But children are born
oft times spitting images of us
And the inequities
millions doled one
nilch for another
both in the same leaky lifeboat
I’ve no religion
and I’d as soon worship Hermes
And there is no tomorrow
there’s only right here and now
you and whomever you’re with
alive as always
and ever ignorant of that death you’ll never know
And all’s well that is done
A Hellene happiness pervades the peace
and the gift keeps on coming…
a work begun splendidly done
To see people aware & kind
at ease and contain’d of wonder
like the dreams of the blind
The heavens speak through our lips
All’s caught what could not be found
All’s brought what was left behind
― thirdalternative, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, it took about 50 seconds of the "montage" of that album to convince me that I never need to hear it. Thank you, montage.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link
really? ah, well, I liked the way a lot of those snippets sounded ... maybe a little throwback to Goo-era stuff? Trashier?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I stopped the mashup about 30 seconds in because I realized it was ruining my future experience with the songs.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I think a "montage" of an album would have to be the worst possible way to exposed to it for the first time and I will never ever listen to one.
― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
esp sonic youth
― just sayin, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
wow, that sonic youth montage sure sounded like a sonic youth montage. i can't imagine anything sounding more like a sonic youth montage than that. nary a surprising, unexpected or atypical sound, pure sonic youth montage through and through. recognizable from a mile away. glad geffen can't force them to make a bunch of experimental bullshit anymore. they can do Daydream Nation VI: The Voyage Home without interference from douchebag label types who demand albums have "novelty" or some such distinguishing factor.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha, if anything, I almost think you're being generous, croup.
― Sundar, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I hear next time they're just going to release the contract to the public and put the album in a filing cabinet in Northampton.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
haha
― Sundar, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link
da croupier u mad
― eman, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link