The National - Trouble Will Find Me

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If a bunch of tracks already leaked and what i said makes no sense, sorry

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:57 (six years ago) link

a bunch of tracks have been released and they essentially mine the same sound but they're all more complicated

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:59 (six years ago) link

And still no mention of my favorite, 'Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers'. Guess you had to be there? :)

Fwiw I liked High Violet a lot, too. I am refraining from listening to all these songs dripping out though, I am holding out for the album so I can take it in in one go, which seems to be how I enjoy the National the most.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:32 (six years ago) link

could never get into SSFDL much beyond "Lucky You" which is one of their best songs

Number None, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

That is a beautiful song, yes

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:48 (six years ago) link

agree, that's a good one. my favorite song by them is "slow show" off boxer. i think all their album covers have been borderline disasters though, with this one being the worst. why can't they find a visual aesthetic that fits with their highly developed, distinctive sound?

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:51 (six years ago) link

The text element on the cover of Alligator is awesome fuiud

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

haha i really love this album cover, and i liked all the high violent variations. v pretty photo on boxer too? idk

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:07 (six years ago) link

i've liked all of them except high violet

乒乓, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:08 (six years ago) link

I love the s/t one and it's cover

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:49 (six years ago) link

Звуки Му - грубый закат (1995)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfKqjHLdetM

lazyitis, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:32 (six years ago) link

http://youtu.be/WfKqjHLdetM

lazyitis, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:33 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfKqjHLdetM

乒乓, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:34 (six years ago) link

lmao

乒乓, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:34 (six years ago) link

Thanks :)
"Simply paste in the URL of the YouTube web page containing the video you wish to embed" – not so simple!

lazyitis, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:38 (six years ago) link

it used to be

Number None, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:43 (six years ago) link

It doesn't work with the new "convenient" short urls, and it doesn't work if it's https instead of http. Youtube is on crack.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 May 2013 05:47 (six years ago) link

This has leaked btw

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 May 2013 13:34 (six years ago) link

it's nice but nothing as striking as the last album

Mordy , Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:41 (six years ago) link

Much, much preferring this to High Violet on the first several listens. It sustains its mood beautifully, without silly production choices or songs about zombies or clunky financial crisis references. The National's sound is such a delicate thing that even small missteps break the spell completely, and this one doesn't have any missteps.

Evan R, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

Berninger's never sung better, but the paradox of this record is how listening to Berninger puts renewed attention on lyrics, which I never wanna do with these guys. I mean: “If you lose me I’m gonna die,” “There’s a science to walking through windows,” and “Don’t tell anyone I’m here/I’ve got Tylenol and beer.”

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:52 (six years ago) link

On first listen: It's very subdued, introvert. Solemn almost. At first I thought it's not really 'waking up', but I agree with Evan that it 'sustains the mood'. It's seems they really carved away the odds 'n sodds and focused on perfecting this one sound. I need to hear it a lot more, but I for one think that is a very admirable approach.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:48 (six years ago) link

yeah i'm feeling this so far

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:52 (six years ago) link

The album really hit me hard on maybe my third passive listen. Like, really bummed me out in a way most sad music doesn't (and in a way it didn't on my first few active listens to it). I can't wait to take a long, late drive with it and see how it plays.

Evan R, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

which I never wanna do with these guys

haha i love the lyrics on alligator and boxer.

I'm put together beautifully
Big wet bottle in my fist, big wet rose in my teeth
I'm perfect piece of ass

lyrics were always integral to my experience of this band

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:19 (six years ago) link

^

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:20 (six years ago) link

i do notice tropes though, he always wants to be carried by something

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:20 (six years ago) link

bc he is drunk

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

i probably wouldn't listen to this band as much as i have were it not for the lyrics

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

Wow, just starting in on this and this album sounds about as good as this sort of music gets. Really sad and gorgeous. Def. of a piece with their past, which means, basically, like U2 had U2 taken a different, darker, less populist path.

"Demons" reminds me of "Drive" by the Cars.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:25 (six years ago) link

"i should live in salt" is a really unassuming opener compared to "fake empire" and "terrible love"

better for it, imo

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:27 (six years ago) link

the national are at their best for me when they construct their songs around two, three, really strong hooks

feel like geese of beverly hill / city middle from alligator are the best examples of this for me, and the lyrics make them, "serve me the sky with a big slice of lemon" / "you were parking your car, you said i'm overwhelmed, you were thinking out loud"

probably the second one is a lil' too on the nose about what a sad sack indie loser finds poignant but *looks in mirror* *laughs nervously*

乒乓, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:30 (six years ago) link

I'm amazed that (the to all appearances well adjusted) Berninger can so easily shift into this mode. Well, I mean, maybe it's not easy, but he's not dead, so clearly he's got a system.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:33 (six years ago) link

xxxxp Many, many years ago, when Boxer came out, I asked him about all his lyrics about drinking and pouring a drink and being drunk, etc, because they seemed to reflect the kind of desire to escape from reality and responsibilities that songwriters typically condemn or demonize. But his reasoning for all the drinking references is that he just really enjoys drinking. For him, drinking is a romantic impulse, not a shameful one.

“In songwriting, there aren’t any rules. You don’t have to grow up and be responsible. When I’m sitting, writing lyrics and drinking wine, I don’t want to have to solve the issues in my life or anything else’s, or write a political song. That’s the last thing I wanted to do: I just want to get kind of drunk. And so, for me, the band is the place to do that. The rest of my life is what I take seriously.”

Evan R, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:34 (six years ago) link

That always stuck with me for some reason. I think a lot of the band's appeal is that the create this safe space where it's ok to just have a drink, consequences be damned

Evan R, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:36 (six years ago) link

oh so now it's Berninger who wants to start a fight about what's a political song

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:37 (six years ago) link

Let's talk about wine baby, let's talk about you and me

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:40 (six years ago) link

it's ok to just have a drink, consequences be damned

or even have a drink, consequences are then experienced but aren't mediated with any kind of judgment

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

The other theme I always linked to the Nationals is finance/workplace, which is something I always found refreshing somehow.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

For some reason, I've been listening to Berninger as Id (or Super Ego?) to Gregg Dulli's Ego.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link

Ohio etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

relistened to high violet and i think the production lets it down; comes off as a nothing-y wash. but i love "lemonworld" and "england"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:03 (six years ago) link

"England" is grand.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

Also, this group epitomizes the maxim that a band is only as good as its drummer.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

OTM. It's even more palpable at concerts.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:06 (six years ago) link

Their drummer is their lead guitarist imo

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:09 (six years ago) link

their drummer is their not-so-secret weapon mos def

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:31 (six years ago) link

duh

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:43 (six years ago) link

for real

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:06 (six years ago) link

god i hope i never have to go through a break up again but at least i know the national and this album will be there for me...
this thought is among my first impressions

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:08 (six years ago) link

yep

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:22 (four months ago) link

I've never top tenned one of their albums before.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:24 (four months ago) link

me neither, and it usually takes me a while to figure out how i feel about them, cf. the album this thread is named after

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:25 (four months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXnnn8z1tE

i get why people would dismiss "rylan," feels like it's borrowed most of its rumble from "apartment story" to create the most national national song ever, but... it's so catchy

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:47 (four months ago) link

I just thought of perfect "feat. female guest singer" example that kind of pulls off what this album does: "My Curse," by fellow (can it be a coincidence?) Cincinnati sons Afghan Whigs.

Also, maybe "You're Still Standing There" by Steve Earle, when previously more or less AWOL Lucinda Williams suddenly pops up.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:13 (four months ago) link

I didn't realize that the album was made in such close collaboration with Mike Mills, who even produced. Has he produced anything else?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:17 (four months ago) link

Marcy Mays on "My Curse" feels to me like much more direct and successful attempt at a counterpoint/perspective change than anything here.

Simon H., Friday, 17 May 2019 15:19 (four months ago) link

anyway I can already tell this is going to be yet another one of those albums where I stick to listening to my own resequence/edit and get a lot more out of it that way

Simon H., Friday, 17 May 2019 15:21 (four months ago) link


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