#focus#mustwin#playoffs#drama? : 2013 NBA playoffs

damn, wtf mom

http://i.imgur.com/3WfBlvP.png

guess kobe never broke her off

whoa, this is messed up. never knew about kobe's relationship with his parents, though i'm hesitant to blame the mom here, given that kobe is a sociopath. i mean, dude worth nine figures offers his mom 250k for a house? i'd sell his shit too

pardon, kobe talk goes in the non-playoff thread now BURN

Hahaha. Big disappointment for them this year was Javele's regression, or rather just his lack of improvement. His /36min numbers are basically the same as last few years, but dude can only playing 18min/game now. Was kinda shocked all season that he wasn't playing more minutes, esp. since I figured that they'd really push him to go 27-30min/game after they diagnosed that asthma thing.

He had career highs in points per 36 and in fg%. His fg% and overall game have gotten better every year. His combination of scoring and shot blocking per minute was at a historic level.

He plays 18 minutes per game because his coach is George Karl.

He plays 18 minutes a game because he doesn't actually produce the expected per 36 numbers when he plays more. Plus his basketball IQ is the inverse of his athletic talent.

His combination of scoring and shot blocking per minute was at a historic level.

this is sort of an absurd point. per minute stats... i dunno man.

but anyway doesn't that almost encapsulate the javale problem? he can look AMAZING for short bursts (i.e. blocking multiple shots and dunking a few times in the span of a minute) but in totality it's inconsistent/underwhelming/destructive?

The only way I see him developing into a solid starting option is if a coach is willing to take a chance and give him solid starting minutes.

He plays 18 minutes a game because he doesn't actually produce the expected per 36 numbers when he plays more.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 May 2013 21:00 (18 minutes ago) Permalink

McGee never got more than 32 minutes in a game this season. In the 7 games where he got between 24 and 32 minutes he put up:

16-3-1-2 (24m)
6-6-0-0-3 (25m)
20-8-0-0-1 (30m)
17-6-0-3-2 (26m)
5-16-0-0-3 (32m)
14-3-0-1-0 (27m)
21-11-0-2-3 (26m)
10-17-0-0-2 (25m

8 games, rather

this is sort of an absurd point. per minute stats... i dunno man.

― J0rdan S., Friday, May 3, 2013 9:02 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If it was easy to have the per minute production Javale is having, then someone other than hall of famers would have done it. Why aren't there any other 18mpg guys out there that are finding this per minute loophole that Javale is? It's not even something silly like a guy who produces a lot but averaged 8 fouls per 36.

just back of the enveloping it, Javale's per 36 in those higher minute games I mentioned is 19-12-0-1-3

He had career highs in points per 36 and in fg%. His fg% and overall game have gotten better every year.

Huh? He had the same per-36 in points (18per) and his FG% actually went down from last season. Although maybe you meant that both were above his career average, but that's not saying much?

His combination of scoring and shot blocking per minute was at a historic level.

You understand that his 1st ballot HoF teammates Jordan Hamilton and Wilson Chandler had better per-36 scoring averages than Javale, right? To be fair, his block #s were really high/impressive, but as has been beaten to death here/elsewhere, dude can't manage more than about 27min/game, so you can't really responsibly extrapolate much.

compu you're looking at his 20 games with denver and reading it as the whole season.

why not give him 27 minutes per game then.

You're right, I was-- my bad. Point still kinda stands, though-- his scoring numbers really haven't changed drastically over five years. 15.4 his rookie year -> 18 this year. Not really spellbinding stuff.

I'd love to give Javale 27min/game! Maybe K3v/another Nuggs booster can explain this better, but it's really really hard to play Javale a ton of minutes, either by virtue of his body/conditioning or the likelihood that he's hurting the team elsewhere.

the complaint w mcgee iirc is that he gets lost on offense/defense, not really sure exactly how true that is, its def at least kinda true, but i have to agree w matt that his numbers warrant a bigger role than he had this season, part of it is that he plays for the deepest team in the league allowing his coach to fuck w him all he wants

he looked lost as fuck last night but so did klay thompson sometimes, playoffs do that to some dudes sometimes

i just think overall maximizing javale mcgee isn't precisely the ticket to the conference finals in any case

I mean, you're talking to someone who had talked himself into letting Hibbert go and signing Javale to near-max contract last year. I figured that, w/ his first full season in a good environment that he'd really flourish / put shit together, and 18min/game says to me that the coaching staff didn't see that.

So like, per36 numbers totally say that he should be on the floor more -- and he probably should! -- but simple block stats don't take into account how much he potentially fucks up on offensive/defensive ends (not to mention all the goaltends).

He's also a shitty FT shooter, which factors into stuff like this, too.

Koufos is also a shitty FT shooter though. This is the second straight playoffs where Karl had to grudgingly concede the center minutes to McGee midway through the series.

how much does playing at 5000ft with asthma factor into it i wonder- honest question, i have no idea how he deals with it overall

Well Koufos might fit the team play a lot better. He's got better WS #s than Javale fwiw.

much worse hair though

xp I read up on it a while back. It should hypothetically factor in, but Javale says that it doesn't affect him (?). He said iirc that it's only a problem on the East Coast (?) and the place he breathes best is Los Angeles (?).

hot damn FOUR game sixes tonight!

that sounds like allergies to me, la air gets a bad rap and denver always fucks with my system something fierce

This stat from 82games shows a definite problem with playing McGee more minutes:

Net Points per 100 Possessions
On Court +2.3
Off court +7.2
Difference -4.9

The same #'s for Koufos:

Net Points per 100 Possessions
On Court +8.6
Off Court +2.9
Difference +5.7

when I had asthma the only places that bothered me were places with a ton of pollution

EZ are you gonna respond to those numbers for Mcgee when he gets more minutes?

it's true that Koufos has a great plus minus and that's no joke, but it's also true that he's crapped the bed in two straight playoff series so they have an issue there.

and there's nothing that says Javale has to be limited to 18mpg as a bench player

Matt think u need to start a WH petition, get Obama to respond to this and help keep George Karl accountable.

It's slightly better than when he averaged around 27 minutes for a season and a half in Washington. I've never said he doesn't have talent but those numbers completely ignore his complete lack of basketball IQ which makes him an overall liability. Opposing teams shoot more free throws when he's on the court and grab both more offensive and defensive rebounds. Those things are indicative of the problem and why he's never been more than a second stringer thus far.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/a4534382c6f05d7a33a1acf0482da1eb/tumblr_mm8p88Rf5S1qzbwkjo1_500.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/eec449f22ee8d75844a3c65d749a2f30/tumblr_mlxjkmruXH1qzbwkjo1_1280.jpg

I had somehow blocked out that Knicks team from my memory. Egad.

http://i.imgur.com/lYLOOFn.png

It's slightly better than when he averaged around 27 minutes for a season and a half in Washington.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, May 3, 2013 10:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but your argument was that when he plays high minutes his per minute production decreases. But in fact his per minute production in his 8 highest minute games this year was just as good if not better.

EZ not sure if you remember how great Curry's per36 numbers were.

genrally per 36 numbers translate, in fact they tend to improve a lil when the actual 36 is played, i think argument against mcgee is that hes doing other bad stuff thats not showing up in the box score

Using per36 stats to favorably assess a player who, throughout his career, has been knocked for being a really bad basketball player once he hits his exhaustion point is a really bad idea. It's like arguing that a baseball reliever/middleman w/ a 2.20 ERA should be starting because, duh, his ERA is 2.20 and why wouldn't that hold up over 9 innings.

basketball players are not like pitchers, maybe mcgee is an exception cause of conditioning or asma or w/e but i kinda doubt it, per 36 numbers so long as you have a big enough sample size tend to work v well

i think javale should get more minutes, tho i do think kosta is better. i'm more concerned with getting a real shooter

Using per36 stats to favorably assess a player who, throughout his career, has been knocked for being a really bad basketball player once he hits his exhaustion point is a really bad idea. It's like arguing that a baseball reliever/middleman w/ a 2.20 ERA should be starting because, duh, his ERA is 2.20 and why wouldn't that hold up over 9 innings.

― you don't know how to stop pick n rolls (CompuPost), Friday, May 3, 2013 10:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

again, in his 8 highest minute games this season he produced right in line with his per 36.

man kev I would have said that koufos should start but two consecutive playoff stinkbombs has me pretty frustrated with him

xps Right-- I'm just saying that presenting per36 as anything other than a hint of possible production -- esp. for a player like Javale w/ his conditioning probs -- doesn't make much sense. But yeah, agree that Javale shouldn't had more burn during the regular season, if for no other reason for experience / conditioning for playoff basketball.

Anyway, got a kinda cool Ballet Life story. Was hanging w/ a bball player dude a few nights ago who played w/ Will Bynum. Dude and his buddy were out w/ Bynum and a bunch of friends at a club, and Bynum buys everyone beers. Dude's friend accidentally drops his beer and is all Oh fuck, major faux-pas, Bynum's gonna be pissed. Bynum does get pissed ... because dude's friend was worried about it. Bynum methodically goes around the group of like ten people and, one by one, takes their beers and pours them all out on the floor. Then buys everyone another round :)

Luol Deng got a spinal tap to test for meningitis, wonder if Barkley still thinks he should have toughed it out