What's the best Genesis album?

I find it sounds more distinct, with better stereo separation and more treble, than their earlier work.

Musically, I prefer the best of the Gabriel era work, but I still think "Trick..." and "Wind...." are the ones that sound best.

I've never heard a whole album by the quintet, but I have a hard time accepting that anything they did could be as thrilling as Queen II. Jesus, the intro to "Ogre Battle" !!

"Misunderstanding" hit top 20 before that, so the later success wasn't completely by surprise.

perhaps one should not presume that anyone that doesn't do backflips for the era one likes the most has not heard a particular comp. one would seem condescending if one was to do so.

perhaps one should not presume that anyone that doesn't do backflips for the artist iteration one likes the most has not heard a particular comp. one would seem condescending if one was to do so.

"The Musical Box"?

his worst is his crap Keef pantomime on "I Can't Dance."

not one person on this Earth would rather hear "Calling All Stations" from '97 than those aforementioned orphaned tunes.

or are you going to defend that tune, GH?

Couple that with Hogweed and Seven Stones, and The Musical Box without the self-conscious middle bit, and you've got a magic run of songs.

Foxtrot hurts my brain. Apocalypse 9/8 sounds like primary school kids learning how to play their instruments.

The Lamb, for me. Although I should give the other albums a chance.

So, all of the post Gabriel shit: DEFEND IT! Wind & Wuthering, Trick of the Tale... I asked Genesis fans about them, and they all say they are not bad but pale in comparison to everything The Lamb and before... and one friend said that Duke was the last Genesis album he didn't want to throw against the wall.

I think it is so good, with the fluid running synth lead etc, how it sets up the really tender "play me my song" return, which in turn sets up the huge, monolithic closing. Probably my favorite Genesis song.

(That's a joke, son.)

This sounds like praise!

W&W and Trick of the Tail are both pretty badass albums with few weak spots and are more 'economic' with regards to having none of Gabriel's penchant for running amuck lyrically (at the time), no impenetrable concepts and over-elaborate costumes...just solid writing and performances. Also, dare I say, Collins does a fantastic job as both drummer and vocalist.

He usually does. And Genesis would have been a lasting quality band had he stuck to that, and kept himself away from involving too much in the songwriting.

Ambition and indulgence should never be edited. Anyway, Tony Banks was always there, and was just as much of the musical genius Gabriel was. He sadly has lost it more than Gabriel has though.

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Uh, Geir...pretty much anything would have been a huge leap in the right direction from "We Can't Dance".

And honestly, Ray "Stiltskin" Wilson was a better singer than Phil Collins. Then again, you could select anyone off the street and nine times out of ten, they'd be better than Phil Collins.

Can I just get a gut check here - do you people like Wind and Wuthering, and if so, why? Why do so many progheads love this incredibly boring album? Or am I just not listening close enough?

spent like a month last year getting acquainted with duke, abacab and the self-titled record all of which are AWESOME

Foxtrot.

wind & wuthering is (a) mostly great (b) the perfect album to play on a cold dry windy morning

Foxtrot

trespass was killer when i heard it first, selling england by the pound was even greater especially that part in teh battle of epping forest where the music takes off, where it reaches this metaphysical plateau. this moment of bliss, which should last forever. but in the end nursery cryme is the one, i think. the lyric sheet with all those drawings. so english, so strange, so cruel.

this is so the most metal non-metal song evah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuJQL8GBqY

Yeah, I fucking love that track - both musically and lyrically. In fact, if we were to poll this band, all three of the Nursery Cryme epics would make it onto my ballot without hesitation.

I haven't heard it in many years but there are so many great parts I forgot about, listening to it now.

The swelling mellotron on the intro to 'The Fountain of Salmacis' is one of my favourite moments in a Genesis song ever, as well as the rocking out sections in 'The Musical Box' etc. etc. As much as I find Nursery Cryme, in a way, to be a bit of a dry run for Foxtrot, it's got some stunning moments on it. With a better production job it could have even been one of their best ever.

The early epics rock hardest on Genesis Live. Plus that album cover is one of my favourite rock images.

The shredding guitar solo bits on "Musical Box" feel a bit proto-Maiden to me.

Are Iron Maiden the Ramones of prog?

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