― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 17 August 2003 04:14 (twenty years ago) link
FYI: A third photo of Robert Johnson has been discovered.
scroll to bottom of page: http://www.robertjohnsonbluesfoundation.org/
― ImprovSpirit, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, there was a story in vanity fair (I think) about that pic a little while ago? they've definitely proved it's him?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
think this is another grail artifact for boomers/cream fans more than anything.that site is very um...blueshammer. anybody heard steven 't bear' johnson?
― kumar the bavarian, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I have not heard him, but just his appearance is enough to keep him on my must-miss list until further notice.
― ImprovSpirit, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I would stay away from the Complete Recordings. Better fidelity can be found on The King of The Delta Blues Singers remastered from 1998 and Vol 2 from 2004. Also you gain the newly found take on Traveling Riverside Blues. It was found in the Smithsonian. Going this route also gets rid of the problem of having back to back takes to listen to, which I find quite annoying.
― Jim, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to robert johnson recordings sped up a bit was kind of heartbreaking
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
why?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
too convincing, stole the magic
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
do you mean those slowed down versions, or ...?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yes er uh exactly, that's what i thought i said, or was trying to think, or some such. not functioning too well today, for various reasons. but yeah.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
that
ha, ok, i was confused ... dunno, i listened to those and didn't really buy it.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
but i can see how they might kinda make the released versions sound weird.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess i was/am convinced. the recordings sound so natural and "correct" at reduced speed. and a lot more ordinary, too. on first hearing them, my response was immediate: "this is how robert johnson actually sounded." tone & timbre, singing, playing & rhythms all suddenly made so much more sense to me. but rather than encourage me to re-explore his work, it just bummed me out.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure why. loss of otherworldliness, a sense that i should have been able to figure it out on my own, something like that.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i think maybe there's another thread where it's discussed, but I just don't get it: how could people who knew and had heard robert johnson play not have said that the records were ridiculously sped up. Someone like Johnny Shines, who traveled/played with Johnson was asked about him a bazillion times in the 60s. Wouldn't he have spoken up about the vast difference between what the records sounded like and what Johnson supposedly *really* sounded like?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
sure, that's a reasonable speculative argument, but it's hard for me to effectively marshal the resources of my intellect against the evidence of my senses (especially since my intellect is of the sort to confuse sped up with slowed down). my "belief" in the authenticity/accuracy of those slowed down recordings was immediate and has proven hard to unmake.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i agree -- the slowed down recordings do *sound* plausible when you hear them, i guess it's just the overall concept I find hard to believe.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Centennial-Collection-2-CD/dp/B004OFWLO0 appears to sound a lot better than the Complete Recordings - can anyone confirm this is the final bees knees in Robert Johnson collectabilia?
― StanM, Saturday, 7 May 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
Compared to this latest remaster, the 1990 edition sounds like it was recorded with two tin cans tied together with some really frayed string. I'm no audiophile, but the sound on this -- for late-30s recordings, especially -- is absolutely jaw-dropping.
― Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 May 2011 07:08 (twelve years ago) link
I have to agree - this sounds great. And also, to answer the very original question, I think Johnson's great. It blew my mind when I first heard him. And in a general sense, blues is the single least-rewarding pre-postpunk musical genres to my ears. Select a random dozen albums from jazz or punk or reggae or soul or classical or "old-timey" non-blues stuff or avant-garde or odd ethnic folk musics and there's about a 100% chance that I'll enjoy those much more than a random selection of blues albums.
― crustaceanrebel, Saturday, 7 May 2011 08:10 (twelve years ago) link
i did eventually come around to RJ -- rebought 'king of the delta blues singers' last year and found it fairly mesmerizing. it's an incredibly well-sequenced album. hearing 'stones in my passway' and 'hellhound' back to back is crushing.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 09:15 (twelve years ago) link
aw man, srsly? was fully prepared to ignore this reissue. but if the sound is really all that improved ...
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
vinyl fake 78 thing is 300 bucks. 1000 copies. someone sent me a link to some sony store that is selling them? 10-inch records made to look like the 78s. that's what i meant by fake. they should have just made 78s.
― scott seward, Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
heard the vinyl comes with a piece of johnson's soul, provided by lucifer himself. so, you know, worth the $$.
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
xpost: 443 dollars: http://www.myplaydirect.com/robert-johnson/details/5747793
― StanM, Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
oh, wait, that's because my location is Belgium. Changed to USA, it's only $349.
― StanM, Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah and the company store has a "deal" where its "only" 300 bucks.
― scott seward, Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
At that price, they'd better be autographed by the man himself.
― StanM, Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
ok i needed a couple hours, but i've gotten over the fact that i'll probably end up buying this thing. it better sound as good as Tarfumes says! jk. but yeah, i mean, johnson is amazing. anyone who gets really into the blues is, at some point going to get all challopsy and say no man, son house/tommy johnson/charly patton is where it's at man, but once you get over that, Robert Johnson is fucking incredible all over again.
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
is the whole "these recordings have been playing at the wrong speed" thing addressed in the liner notes of this new thing? would love it if that was laid to rest.
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
I just a/b'd the 1990 and the 2011 again, and the one thing that immediately struck me is how the new remaster captures the sound of the room. You can really hear the space around Johnson's voice, which just adds to the harrowingness of it all. Unlike many veil-lifting remaster jobs, this one actually adds a level of mystery.
(btw, I just have the 2CD dealie; that vinyl box is borderline offensive)
― Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah 2cd version is nicely priced -- $15 at amazon.
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
The "wrong speed" theory was sort of debunked here, but it's not addressed either way in the liner notes. xp
― Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that wald article seems pretty definitive, but i just read something else that claimed they've been playing at the wrong speed.
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
Odd. I wonder how this is determined, seeing as how no one really knows how Johnson tuned, meaning, did he tune his guitar to a piano, a tuning fork, or neither?
― Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
Tried out some other contemporary (pre rock n roll) stuff and while I did like some tracks by people like Leadbelly or Blind Lemon Jefferson, there's only two artists I love everything by: RJ and Washington Phillips (who couldn't be more different from RJ. Not a great singer or musician (the longer songs are split up in two takes because he keeps speeding up and can't keep up after a while), and he sang these god fearing, honor your parents type lyrics, but he's so incredibly authentic that I'm moved every time.)
I've had the 1990 box since it was released, but getting the Centennial CDs as well now, thanks for the impressions!
― StanM, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
re: the reason the speed question won't die -- it *is* interesting how much he sounds like son house when slowed down, so i think there's a little something there that convinces people (or at least makes them consider the possibility). but as wald lays out in that article, it really seems unlikely to me.
― tylerw, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Sold on that 2-CD thing
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Wow
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
Sounds good to me.
Used to think it was cheesy that Dion DiMucci painted a big picture of Robert Johnson and then had a picture taken of himself sitting in front of it but now I've warmed up to this.
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/rip-mack-mccormick/
― tylerw, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link
WBGO celebrating his birthday right now, a few days early, with some "Elgin movements" on the Blues Break.
― The WLS National Batdance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 May 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
i know i'm doing exactly what the marketing people want me to do but fuck it:
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ec55c9b3020048a55dc4c9b/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Brother-Robert-Lede.jpg
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/05/exclusive-first-look-at-new-photograph-of-blues-legend-robert-johnson
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 08:14 (three years ago) link
third photo is a huge deal imo
― budo jeru, Thursday, 21 May 2020 08:27 (three years ago) link
Aww, new photo
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
Wait, what, another one?
― Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
an exclusive first look, the photograph is presented here as it appears on the cover of Brother Robert: Growing Up With Robert Johnson, Mrs. Anderson’s forthcoming memoir written with Preston Lauterbach, to be published by Hachette on June 9. In an excerpt from the book, Mrs. Anderson, now 94, recounts the day the photograph was taken:
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
I'm just about to get around to listening to Robert Johnson and I'm afraid a challenging opinion may be brewing.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
Need one of RJ & Bonamassa shaking hands.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:08 (one month ago) link
Lol
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:31 (one month ago) link
Dion DiMucci has a big Robert Johnson portrait he painted himself hanging prominently in his living room iirc
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:32 (one month ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDion/photos/a.281029604934/403804609934/?type=3
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 February 2024 05:02 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUlVCZshZOU
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 February 2024 05:03 (one month ago) link
It’s a far cry from using echo or digital reverberation to try and hide problems in recordings!
lol. some things never change.
― budo jeru, Saturday, 24 February 2024 05:05 (one month ago) link
this is an interesting project
thought I would hate it but to me it's ultimately more like Peter Jackson's They Shall Not Grow Old than George Lucas' special editions
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 26 February 2024 08:43 (one month ago) link
Those samples sound pretty awful, the noise swells and shapes with the vocal so I feel like I've got sand in my ear and someone's riding the fader to mute the background.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 February 2024 10:30 (one month ago) link