REM: Classic or dud?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (2548 of them)
Reveal was definitely the heartbreaker for me, esp. since "Imitation Of Life" was the best song they'd made since frikkin' who knows. Stuck out like a silver thumb and made the rest of the shit seem downright willfully awful. Ending with Hi-Fi would have a) allowed them to maintain that we-four-are-REM beauty (R=4!) and made "Electrolite" their curtain call. "I'm not scared, I'm out of here"!

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic in the 80s, semi classic through the 90s, shit since 'Reveal'.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

They're definitely one of those bands where little flaws have become so crippling that it taints previous albums because I can see how little mistakes would evolve into tragedies. Stuff that would be forgivable if that's as far as they'd take it are now offensive.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i've argued with matt perpetua elsewhere about this, but i agree with anthony here - i can't listen to automatic anymore because i think it's so poorly paced. i know there are folks who'd disagree, and i love "side 2" but it's just such a jarring side 1.

having missed the monster tour - which would've been awesome as a high schooler - i was equally thrilled to see them on the UP tour as a college senior. they were ecstatic and did their best to include some older stuff...that the crowd booed!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The warner bros. four-piece years are so tied up with my youth that I find it really hard to judge them critically - the idea of explaining what makes them 'good' is fucked because the appeal was so much less concrete at the time I memorized every melody (if not lyric). If I try to imagine how these albums come off to the unfamiliar I have to assume they're all patchwork nonsense. I'd probably throw Chronic thru Fables at an arty newbie as the early stuff has dance beats and Gehman-Litt haven't brought in the whole awkward arena element.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

PC Zeppelin really. Should have broke up when the drummer died.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

PC Zeppelin really

once they moved from dance clubs to theatres

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

It's as impossible to explain REM's allure to neophytes as it is to explain the Beatles. ("But they wrote really GOOD songs!")

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 30 April 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

There are ways to explain them but they're zeitgeist-related and not necessarily flattering to the fan or enticing to the skeptical. Klosterman hit the nail on the head for me in Fargo Rock City when he said that REM was the kind of band that made you feel like part of a secret society of nice, beauty-appreciating PC people - you aren't a loser, you're BETTER than your high school for feeling like an outcast. Their commercial rise was a triumph for the good-intentioned who still wanted 'rock.' 'The acceptable edge of unacceptable stuff' as Buck put it. Milquetoast wafflage for people who had no need for melodic middle ground.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd only qualify it by adding that for the mainstream audience that got Out of Time, Automatic, and Monster the milquetoast wafflage was just enough; while for a lot of us REM was an effective gateway drug to Husker Du, the Mats, Wire, etc.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 30 April 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC!!! - i sang 'how the west was won and what it got us' at karaoke the other night, NAILED it

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 30 April 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Just made their best album in over a decade. (OK, I've said it before.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 30 April 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Milquetoast wafflage for people who had no need for melodic middle ground."

Middle ground between what and what?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"Klosterman hit the nail on the head for me in Fargo Rock City when he said that REM was the kind of band that made you feel like part of a secret society of nice, beauty-appreciating PC people - you aren't a loser, you're BETTER than your high school for feeling like an outcast. Their commercial rise was a triumph for the good-intentioned who still wanted 'rock.'"

May I say that this is just an utterly DIRE portrait of the people that like their music?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Hard to make them any more than classic. However, their late 80s output is heavily overrated, while their late 90s/early 00s output is heavily underrated.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread inspired this thread: REM Post-1990: POX

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

You people made me download Harbourcoat and I was so impressed I bought the first two albums (admitedlly Murmur was 49p and on cassette but thats not the point) but I really think that's enough for me now...

elwisty (elwisty), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

throw in 'chronic town' and you might be right

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 30 April 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they actually took things up a notch with Fables of the Reconstruction, but the album sequence might not have been as good as the sequencing on the first two albums and the production wasn't as good.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
The categorisation of their early stuff as a nice safe return to Byrdsian jangle as opposed to for real noisy punk is wrong-headed. There's a definite post-punk/art rock thing going on there, from the Pylon/G04 influence beats and Buck's often ingenious guitar lines, where he made the most of his limitations. Bland, straightforward college rock or 60s throwback stuff it ain't.

The Klosterman thing is patronising, but it is true that REM had a certain arty liberal outsider appeal. They were a great band to be into when you're first discovering music. They and Nirvana were the first bands not in my parents' record collections I got into. Both were non-macho, arty rock bands and a great gateway drug into more esoteric pleasures.

So Classic! Despite the undeniable dudness of Reveal and Around the Bum.
(That said, Reveal had Beat A Drum, which is terrible on the album, but beautiful in its spare piano demo form).

stew!, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

C and D similtaneously. This is a bit like the Dylan issue, on a lesser scale. He just keeps churning out them albums regardless of whether it even approaches the greatness of his early stuff. REM probably peaked around Fables (xxpost), but to be honest I stopped buying their stuff in the early 90s.

dr xo'skeleton, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
OH MY GOD i'M GOING TO ABANDON MY FAVOURITE INTERNET RADIO STATION JUST SO i CAN PUT THE OLD VINYL ON. STARTING WITH "WOLVES, LOWER"

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 January 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

In which I graduate from You Tube to my own vinyl. Thanks. Love you.

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 January 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I miss Kris' posts.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 28 January 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

By the way, why did people make a point of the lyrics being buried or inaudible in the 80s? Even on Murmur, Stipe's voice is pretty dominant and clear in the mix. How hard is it to make out "Talk About the Passion" or "Laughing?"

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 28 January 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

he's no Ric Ocasek, that's for sure!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno man, a lot of "Laughing" is pretty hard to make out, if the lyrics I just googled are correct. Many words are crystal clear but "Laocoon and her two sons" -- huh? Probably heard it 500 times but never picked up on "Laocoon", and I heard "sated view" but always figured it was actually something else. Maybe that was the problem.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

SUSPICION YOURSELF DONT get caught becaues I am an early REM junkie

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

IVE STILL GOT MY FUCKING VINYL YOU BASTATRDS EARLY REM VINYL I

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

gardenING aT NIGHT

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

By the way, why did people make a point of the lyrics being buried or inaudible in the 80s? Even on Murmur, Stipe's voice is pretty dominant and clear in the mix

i don't think people were saying the words were inaudible; just indecipherable. stipe didn't really start enunciating until lifes rich pageant, a rumored concession to their label.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i JUS TWANT TO DIE WHERE IS SOUTH CENTRAL RAIN ON YOU TUBE HAVE WE GOT ITYET?

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

He's not Ocasek, no, but I guess it's that early REM doesn't really seem that exceptional to me among rock bands in terms of lyrics being indecipherable. (Maybe they're exceptional in terms of the words not making sense.) I don't think I really make out every word of most rock songs (didn't know what even the pre-choruses of Def Leppard's "Armageddon It" were until recently; don't think I'll ever make out Led Zeppelin's "Carouselambra.") Even in a vaguely comparable idiom, a lot of Joy Division lyrics (e.g. "They Walked In Line") seem pretty muffled. The old REM sounds pretty par for the course to me, with some lyrics and most key lines and choruses pretty clear and some harder to make out.

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I miss Kris' posts.

That rant above is kind of ridiculous, though. R.E.M. were a power pop band who liked Gang of Four and Fairport Convention. If other bands were influenced by them in crap ways, it was their own fault.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 29 January 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

bAHAHAHAHAAH

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Tell me they don't look more kick-fucking-arse here than at any point since pre BINGO HAND JOB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVxOmu87MA

pisces, Monday, 15 October 2007 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

staring sideways at a laptop while singing pretty much removes all "kick-fucking-arse" from a performance

da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 03:27 (sixteen years ago) link

fuck is Stipe's problem? You don't see a goddamn music stand in front of Peter or Mike.

da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link

It is a good song, though.

Davey D, Monday, 15 October 2007 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I would be 'anticipating' Accelerate in this thread if only I could listen to their watermarked promo on my computer or in my car. I may need to borrow a discman.

fukasaku tollbooth, Sunday, 24 February 2008 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

L£ak£d.

pisces, Sunday, 16 March 2008 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

So the weather in the UK has turned at last and out of the blue I have some strange and nostalgic feeling toward the first four or five REM albums. What gives?

double shyamalan (MaresNest), Sunday, 23 May 2010 10:49 (thirteen years ago) link

You can see yourself at 30?

Euler, Sunday, 23 May 2010 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha, well I'm 38

double shyamalan (MaresNest), Sunday, 23 May 2010 11:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I still haven't worked up the courage to listen to Accelerate, not to mention the two recent live albums either. Soon! I've been enjoying a lot of 80s-era REM bootlegs recently; "Baby I" is such a hot song.

Euler, Sunday, 23 May 2010 11:24 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i'd say it's more "you can see youself at 40" for early REM nostalgia.

i get that feeling in early summer, too.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 May 2010 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link

you know what sounds especially good as summer really begins to swelter? fables of the reconstruction.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 May 2010 11:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Daniel, don't you live in Florida? It's always swelter there!

Euler, Sunday, 23 May 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link

lol, yeah. we actually had a cool -- sometimes cold -- winter. but the swelter has returned now.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 May 2010 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i used to have about five rem bootlegs on cassette. they had some of my favorite rem songs. i can't find them, and if i could find them, i couldn't play them (it's all discs and mp3s now, sadly).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 May 2010 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Reunited! (in their appreciation of Michael Shannon)

soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Friday, 9 February 2024 22:31 (two months ago) link

heh, I suspected at least most of them would show up, but this is cool.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 February 2024 22:52 (two months ago) link

My friend Dag (plays guitar in the band, lifer) shared this fun pic of him and Stipe last night.

paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, 9 February 2024 22:55 (two months ago) link

That's a great pic! (I'm friends of friends with Dag, he's sort of replacing my guitar teacher.)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 February 2024 23:19 (two months ago) link

wow!

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 10 February 2024 00:35 (two months ago) link

This is a great show, with a few special guests in the encore... highly recommended, if you ever put concert recordings up on the TV while you putter around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JulR2TPAUfA

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:34 (two months ago) link

My friend Dag (plays guitar in the band, lifer) shared this fun pic of him and Stipe last night.

― paisley got boring (Eazy),

I can't tell them apart!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:57 (two months ago) link

nice, I was just watching that REM-in-Jersey show a week or so ago. really kicking myself for not going to the Michael Shannon thing in Chapel Hill (pretty sure it was reading an interview with Shannon that prompted me to watch that old REM show).

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 12 February 2024 19:11 (two months ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.