this thread is for reaffirming the classicness of the feelies' crazy rhythms (do not read if you hate the feelies' crazy rhythms)

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The Yung Wu album isn't quite as great...but it's certainl "feelies-esque"! The first song, Shore Leave, had been released as a single by Weckerman years before, in 1980 or so, and is a great song. I need that ASAP.

I don't think the later stuff, or at least the Good Earth, is necessarily "safer", some of it as angstful as Crazy Rhythms, maybe it's just a bit more subtle, and a bit more acoustic. Otherwise I think the songs aren't that different. But it's also the production...Crazy Rhythms being marked by much electric guitar played direct, whereas Peter Buck's production of the Good Earth is more conventional.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't find the Yung Wu album. Been sort of looking for a while.

Dan your comments re: the Good Earth are OTM. I thought it was just a sort of more acoustic/more straight forward Crazy Rhythms. It doesn't have the immediacy of youth, but it does have the warmth of experience.

Fantastic.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

you are OTM re: the production on the Good Earth. i just miss all that hyper midrange-y clatter!

i have that Shore Leave 7" (autographed, even!) somewhere...

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter Buck has cited Crazy Rhythms as a major influence on early R.E.M., so, in a sense, the Feelies could have been looking toward that mid-80's college radio scene they arguably helped spawn. Coming full circle and reaping the rewards, so to speak. And, of course, they hired Buck to "produce" The Good Earth (though I wonder how much of that record the band actually produced themselves).

I'd guess that if the Feelies had remained together and recorded an album or two between CR and TGE, the difference between the two may not have seemed so glaring.

James, Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i coulda sworn i had a 12 inch single from thegood earth. but i can't remember what the single was or what the b-side was. am i crazy?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I fucking love the Feelies. This band deserves the reish treatment moreso than a good portion of bands who've already had it.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw feelies open up for rem once. guess who i liked better that night.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, I'd love to hear some of those live boots!

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"I don't think the later stuff, or at least the Good Earth, is necessarily "safer", some of it as angstful as Crazy Rhythms, maybe it's just a bit more subtle, and a bit more acoustic"

I agree - when I say "safer" I dont mean less risky, just literally retreating in their hometown (sorry if I'm not able to express myself a little bit more clearly). The difference between the two albums is all in the "perpetuous nervousness" of CR and the "slowdown" of Good Earth (with everything this title also implies).
Anyway, please reissue these albums soon!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

and regarding new bands drawing from the period, you may want to check out Oxford Collapse, a NY trio. I'm not sure about the various recordings as I haven't heard much, but I had them open up for the Nightingales and they KILLED IT, totally great. They have a bit of a post-hardcore/punk energy, but the melody/music draws primarily from The Embarrasment, REM etc, real 80s US college rock. On their website, download "Back in the Corn Again" for starters.

http://www.oxfordcollapse.com/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

that paint it black promo is the one to find. it has a bunch of live songs on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the 12-inch "Pain it Black" promo, is that the one you're referring to? Pretty sure it has album tracks on the B-Side.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I was recently wondering why someone hasn't resurrected the Feelies sound circa Crazy Rhythms.

the aforementioned oxford collapse do this. i highly suggest everyone checks out butterglory's rat-tat-tat for more.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

also, ive heard talk of the feelies playing live for a few months now.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I was just going to mention the Oxford Collapse before Maria and Dan beat me to it.

mike a, Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

re: oxford collapse sounding like the feelies, check out "cracks in the causeway" on their newest record a good ground. i swear everyone will love it.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"They Never Got You" on Spoon's Gimme Fiction is rec. to any Feelies fan who hasn't heard that album.

I should throw Crazy Rhythms on again. I love it so much.

The Tom Petty thing is wrong in the sense that they didn't become Petty-esque, but I can see the later Feelies stuff as being closer to Petty than their earlier stuff. It's not OTM but its aspiring to OTMness, a state Nabisco would achieve but two years later.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pretty sure it has album tracks on the B-Side."

i thought they were live. what do i know?

i liked the one oxford collapse album i heard okay. the one band that really reminded me of them was groovski. they are polish/polish-american. they changed their name to grovski though, cuz everyone thought they were a jam band. it was a good move. groovski is a pretty bad name even if you are polish. or at least their guitars had that satisfying jangle. they reminded me of the wedding present a little too. none of you will ever hear them though, so, um, nevermind.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

here's Groovski's site. Next time you want to act like nobody can hear a band, find their site, scott!

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

also, ive heard talk of the feelies playing live for a few months now.

Really, this would be something. I missed 'em the first time. They played Maxwells, I think, when I was in high school in NJ and I almost went but I didn't have wheels.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post i just meant that i think they put out their record themselves and all that. they aren't on anyone's "radar", you know?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

the feelies, or version of the feelies, play more often then anyone realizes and I always miss it. They played Maxwells just a year or so ago. Not the orig. lineup, one is gone to Florida for good or something. And it's usually under some other name.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

>of course, they hired Buck to "produce" The Good Earth (though I wonder how much of that record the band actually produced themselves)<

Why assume this?

To me, early REM pwnz all over the Feelies for scope, breadth, passion, etc.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i like early rem. i don't really compare the two. maybe i should, but i never have. i don't think of rem when i listen to the feelies.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah me neither. I was just reacting a bit to your comment on the show. I think I saw REM five times in the early days and I just can't imagine them being topped by the Feelies in spite of the fact that the latter had really good guitar players.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

My first impression, knowing little about the band aside from an album that showed up in a record store I was working in so I put it on (and I'm reasonably sure this is a cliche) was Lou Reed fronting REM.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan's probably thinking either of Yung Wu (who opened for one of Yo La Tengo's Hanukkah shows) or The Sunburst (basically the Trypes' lineup). The Feelies have always had offshoot bands; I don't think either of these is meant to be "them."

mike a, Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"Lou Reed fronting REM."

i saw them open for lou once too, and they were better than lou! and they probably would have been better than lou even if rem were lou's backing band. no, really, they were GREAT live. and rem could be really good too. i only saw them (rem) twice a zillion years ago, but they were always entertaining.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"Why assume this?"

Jim DeRogatis wrote about the Feelies in his book about psychedelic rock, and suggested that the Feelies mostly produced themselves on The Good Earth. Since DeRogatis has connections to the Feelies (he was Speed the Plough's drummer on their first album, which Bill Million produced), I'm thinking he wasn't just making this up but probably knew something. I've read similar stories about Crazy Rythyms - that the band produced themselves on thatrecord. The Trouser Press article from 1980 included on that Feelies fansite suggests as much.

James, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I know I read somewhere that Peter Buck basically chilled and said stuff like "you missed beat once but whatever." His presence was valuable but hands-off or something.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

the ep i used to have (the one i thought was a single) doesn't even list buck in the credits even though there is an album track from the good earth on it:

Track list:
1. The High Road (Mercer/Million) 4:20
2. She Said, She Said (Lennon/McCartney) 2:49
3. Slipping (Into Something) (Mercer/Million) 5:57
4. Sedan Delivery (N. Young) 2:57

Line up:
Glenn Mercer (guitar, vocals)
Bill Million (guitar, vocals)
Dave Weckerman (percussion)
Brenda Sauter (bass)
Stan Demeski (drums)

Notes:
Produced by: Bill Million, Glenn Mercer
Engineered by: Don Sternecker
Recorded at: Mixolydian Studios, Boonton, NJ

i'm not saying that buck didn't lend an ear though. he probably did. it's only life, which million & mercer produced, doesn't sound THAT much different. they had more money to spend. that's about it. i'm sure rem helped them get on to a major. no doubt about it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i really need to get a copy of time for a witness. i haven't heard it in a zillion years! since it came out practically. i musta sold my tape for booze.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Time for a Witness is quite terrific. One of the songs (I think it's "Sooner or Later" but I don't have my copy handy to check) sounds like a great lost Byrds-era Gene Clark song. "Doing It Again" is another high spot.

James, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

that version of "sedan delivery" is so rad.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the feelies, or version of the feelies, play more often then anyone realizes and I always miss it. They played Maxwells just a year or so ago.

Why don't I ever know about these things?

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of end up mentioning this everytime the Feelies come up, but everyone looking for Yung Wu, The Good Earth, or the No One Knows EP can find them (on CD, legit) at the Twin/Tone website.

I've heard a fair number of Feelies bootlegs, and honestly I just can't imagine that a recording is ever going to come anywhere near their live sound, which was as perfectly balanced as anything I've ever heard and a somewhat dispiriting demonstration of the limitations of recorded music.

dlp9001, Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone YSI the "Sedan Delivery"? I don't feel like buying that No One Knows EP for it.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I just realized I bought three of the four Feelies albums on used cassette!

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"They Never Got You" on Spoon's Gimme Fiction is rec. to any Feelies fan who hasn't heard that album.

that song sounds nothing like the feelies. you're on crack.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I've heard a bad Feelies record, though I've only heard three (the missing one is Only Life). Reissues please!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link

only life is pretty good, better than crazy rhythms. there's a certain rhythmic lethargy that prevents it from transcending the late 80s/early 90s production, though. the best of the four is the good earth. it's a classic album. not a song is bad. the last two songs are amazing

billy million, Friday, 20 January 2006 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

you're on crack.

I learned it by watching you! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone YSI the "Sedan Delivery"? I don't feel like buying that No One Knows EP for it.

at your service, sir:
http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CRDF2UE20FWI10SCNYPJV2ZRP

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i highly suggest everyone checks out butterglory's rat-tat-tat
Yeah! I bought it just because the review referred to the Feelies :)
It's not as good as the feelies, but highly enjoyable nontheless.

Marco, if you're able to search on a p2p network, you might want to try to look for The Feelies Live at the Rat from 1986. It's actually recorded in Cambridge, MA (they never even played the Rat). The mp3's I downloaded (unfortunately, I no longer have them, just a copy on minidisc) sound amazing, even though the first half (or so) of the show is in mono (it seems as though someone suddenly realises there's a cable not plugged in properly as halfway through a song -zdung!- there they are in full on stereo-glory). Very propulsive & subtly powerful.

Let's hope the (album) reissues will see the light of day soon! Maybe Rhino could do a live-release, just like they did with Television (Live at the Old Waldorf)

willem -- (willem), Friday, 20 January 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, Willem, I don't even know what's a p2p network, but I'll ask my computer-aware friends. I absolutely need to have this bootleg!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

peer-to-peer/file-sharing. soulseek, limewire et al.
(it might be somewhere in the corners of the harddrive of my old computer. if i'm able to locate it i'll drop you an e-mail)

willem -- (willem), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Never bothered listening to any other Feelies' albums, odd given that I love "Crazy Rhythms" so much. I suppose I've always assumed it was a one-off, like "Up on the Sun" by the Meat Puppets (and, yes, I have heard other Meat Puppets' albums and, no, I don't like them).

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to have an amazing live tape of the Feelies playing a club in Berkley in 1987 or so. Excellent sound quality, and the band was on fire, with some great covers of Wire, the Monkees and Television along with their own songs. Any label could have released this tape "officially," as-is without any sonic cleaning up.

James, Friday, 20 January 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I went on a hunt for their covers and a lot of 'em. I was surprised to find some that sounds, on first listen, like studio versions. Maybe they're just really, really pristine live recordings, not sure -- "White Light White Heat," "Barstool Blues," and "I Wanna Sleep In Your Arms." I have some good sounding live versions of "See No Evil," "Mannequin," "Roadrunner," "Sweet Jane," "Head Held High" and "Egyptian Reggae."

Here's part of a thing I wrote:

Like many teenagers in the eighties, I craved a particular kind of music that I had not yet heard. Before I got to college my access to music was limited, but I'd heard the typical high school music of the Smiths, Cure, Violent Femmes, which had significant angst but was sometimes too fluffy. Anger is indeed an energy and punk fueled it. However, not all teenagers are necessarily political enough at that age to be filled with anarchic rage, or had been savagely dumped yet, let alone kissed. There's other pent up energies, of course. Like nervousness. Fear and frustration that you'll never "grow into" your awkward body, that you'll find anyone who wants to touch it, let alone slather their tongue over it. That you won't become "Somebody." Nervousness, frantic friction, fear of embarrassment, tension and release but no satisfaction. Teenagers push their bodies in various ways beyond pain thresholds and exhaustion, yet the relief from the nervous energy is always temporary. Talking Heads occastionally a touched on that on their first couple albums, as did XTC. There's a reason those bands appeared as dorks on their album art. They understood a different kind of tension, whereas perhaps the Type A beasts in school that seemed to be able to drink and screw and bash heads to oblivion enough that they really didn't suffer from that type of pent-up nervousness.

The Feelies were just the band to fill that void. Their nerdy portraits in glasses and preppy pastel outfits emblazoned on a sky blue background, they looked like their audience. They were named after the high-tech virtual reality movies (and perhaps porn) that people were addicted to in Aldous Huxley's paranoid classic, Brave New World. The first song on their 1980 album was called, appropriately, "The Boy With The Perpetual Nervousness." The song started with silence, followed by faint percussion. Blocks, toms, and then bass gradually entered the picture, growing increasingly faster. Once the dry, brittle, furiously strummed dual guitars started (three times the speed as a Lou Reed), The Feelies were a rogue train veering off its wheels with no brakes. It sounded exactly how a I felt. Running with nowhere to go, crescendoes without climax, wildly repetitive action without end. Their sound distilled a perfect aesthetic sensibility, and really sounded like no one else...

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Tyler, you have the best blog. Thank you. More feelies!

I seriously considered making a pilgrimage to maxwell's with Mrs. Staggerlee for those shows. Alas, do not have an extra $2000 lying around.

ALAS.

staggerlee, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome, tylerw, thank you

i went for a run that lasted the duration of 'crazy rhythms' not long ago. i found it exhausting

thomp, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.tomwarren.com/music/images/feelies_30.jpg
crazy rhythms recording sessions! more here:
http://www.tomwarren.com/music/Feelies.html

tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

good lord, this band was/is(?) perfect.

chromecassettes, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

nine years pass...

nothing here that hasn't circulated previously, but a cool way to approach the pre-Crazy Rhythms years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HjrcAhmH_U

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link

I was dancing round the shop when I found the Stiff "Crazy Rhythms" in our local Oxfam for £2, early last year.

Mark G, Friday, 15 January 2021 08:13 (three years ago) link

those ork records version of fa ce la and forces at work are so good

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:07 (three years ago) link

I think of this record sort of like Wire's Pink Flag - an atypical debut whose style they never exactly returned to.

I saw them opening for Lou Reed in 1989, and if they were not the best band I've ever seen live, they were certainly the best whose music I didn't know before seeing them. They covered "Dancing Barefoot" as someone mentioned above, and either said nothing or no more than "thanks" to the audience.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 15 January 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link


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