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uh oh, 'ridiculously nice' people.

I'll be near City Hall. it sounds like it's not worth going too far? i won't have a car, most likely. is it easy to get cabs early evening? or is the trolley good enough?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno much about the trolley it was just built last year for the superbowl. the entire downtown grid is walkable (esp. underground!)

duke underneath, Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

most people however are really almost ridiculously nice.

The myth about the south that never seems to die. Most people in Houston are about as nice as most people anywhere else.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Which is to say, reasonably.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

yes but i know of what i speak on both counts. plus you are there already, right? try coming up to the northeast for a spell (or say 11 years).

duke eleven, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not so much nice as "polite," though they are pretty nice here i think.

i am always shocked at how often people honk their car horns up north.

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

or just freak out over nothing in general.

duke general, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Oh, I know! But usually it's just an "I'm over here! Look out!" and not really intended or taken as rude. It's more polite to hit somebody down south than it is to honk at them. That'll get you shot, no lie.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

getting very angry about honking = not very nice. The rules are different, is all.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"rude" is really a southern concept.

duke tinfoil, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you're right. And I think ryan is OTM about rude being the opposite of polite, not the opposite of nice.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

what y'all consider 'nice', i probably consider 'rude,' while what i consider 'polite,' southerners probably consider 'rude'

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

People down south seem to have more personal space issues, I've noticed. Probably comes from never having taken public transportation ever in their lives.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but sometimes all the hospitality can seem to almost completely disregard any sense of personal privacy, not in the sense of space but with emotions et al. like a "there are no secrets here" kinda thing.

duke private, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

exactly. it's none of your business how i'm doing today.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

living closer together means being more guarded, naturally. I'm beginning to understand what duke meant by "ridiculously nice," meaning it's not always a good thing.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
oh a fair amount of people in houston have absolutely no compunction about that i can assure you. like the carpet cleaner guy, the waiter, etc.

duke assure, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha. Ridiculously nice. Wow, that's hilarious. HAHAHAHAH.

(I live in Houston, in case you haven't gathered that yet.)

Well, I used to HATE Houston, because some people are just assholes, but then I realized they're everywhere, and conjured the ability of tuning them out. All I know is that I honk like a madman along with my music, but that's just me. People don't really seem to pay attention to the horn at all in Houston anyways. Everyone has music blaring so it doesn't even matter.

Conservative? Those chicks at my school wearing skirts and short shorts? And low-cut shirts, spaghetti straps and all? Or like Right-wing people who think that government is God? No, we all worship our guns, although we are very concealed in that matter. We all have about 10 guns, but no one ever mentions them, and we seldom shoot them except at Hot Wells. I love the opportunities in Houston and all of the businesses. Houston is NOT made for tourists. It's made for people to be very stressed out about and drive around, finding the place that's perfect for them. Like a niche. You find your niche and everything is great. I've found several places that I go to quite often, and just stick with that. It's got a lot of fun stuff to do now, but nothing spectacular. There ARE a lot of Conservative Christians, but they don't bite. They're pretty shy. There are a lot of liberals too. I mean A LOT. I'd say we're more democratic than republic. Our government is in our guns. We control our own little dictatorships, inside every one of us.

By the way, I love cajun food!

aNatheMa (aNatheMa), Saturday, 11 September 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Houston is NOT made for tourists.

i often wonder if houston is made for people. i think really it's made for cars. people are incidental, we're like the horses required to pull the carriages. when the robots are perfected, the cars won't need us anymore and we'll all be kicked out.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 September 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i shot a .45 at hot wells once. and i think i was like ten years old!

duke ridiculous, Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

if i make it to new york on my trip to providence, i wonder if the girls will be like margot tenenbaum and the daughter of the friend and lover of the youngest sibling in the corrections who danced by barely moving.

yes, i guess in that case the perspective of being a tourist in your own city would not be worth it.

youn, Sunday, 12 September 2004 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry to get pedestrian here, but anyone know anything about the Doubletree Allen Center (which is maybe in one of the photos above)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

also, if i manage to get a free day here, would it be worth forgoing the tourist attractions of Houston for the Space Center?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone?

I'll be in town, without a car, from Monday night through the following Sunday evening, staying in the theatre district. I get all of Saturday off for sightseeing, but otherwise am likely limited to after 5:30-6 on T-F, and a few hours on Sunday, lugging around a suitcase. Ideally, I want to see the Menil Collection/Rothko Chapel, the Space Center, Hermann Park and Rice. Especially the first two. Pretty much the only way I can do the Space Center is to take a bus tour that will eat up the day until 5. If I do that, I basically have to take a cab to Menil to get in maybe an hour on Fri/Sat/other night(s). Am I better off skipping the Space Center and giving myself as much Sat freedom as possible? And what do I do with a suitcase on Sunday? Take the trolley to the park and lie in the grass for a few hours? And where can I hear Zydeco on Saturday night?

Instead of the Space Center, I could also take a day trip to Galveston. Any reason i'd want to do this? I've never been to the Gulf Coast.

Also, are the 'Bayou's in Houston pronounced Bye-U, Bye-O, or Bay-O?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

bye u
skip space center go over to area arond rice "rice village" and/or over to galleria area.

http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/2R52.html

you could end up at least having an ironic good time

duke loupe, Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

though this omits the quaids and geto boys it does include p.j. proby and south park mexican...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#List_of_famous_and_infamous_people_raised_in_Houston

duke park, Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

skip space center because it's just not that good? i'm mildly interested in space stuff, but it's unclear what's unique about the tour there

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I should rent a car and visit Lyle Lovett

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

christ almighty it was humid today! morning rain + sunny afternoon = death! i hope this clears up soon.

i am in the rice area (rice grad student) and im not sure what there is to "see" but the trees are cool if you get off on that sort of thing. hell my favorite thing to do is look at the houses in river oaks.

we went to the space center for a field trip when i was 14 or so, i cant really remember much, other than it had just opened. im sure it is a lot different now, it's been about 11 years.

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:52 (nineteen years ago) link

See the Orange Show -- outsider folk art at its most obsessive. It was built by a postal worker who LOVED oranges. Mmm.

http://www.orangeshow.org/orange.html

edie, Sunday, 26 September 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

well, i actually had a rather nice (if occasionally trying) time during my ~2 days of sightseeing, and i ate very well for 6 days, but all i have to say for now is thank God for New York City

i spent a lot of time in the blue building up there

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 4 October 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

but did you meet up w/ bushwick bill?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 4 October 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

So right, Houston, then. What a weird place. There are no people there. Downtown, especially (though during the week, there's at least some healthy bustle in the tunnels), where 1/3 of those you encounter are homeless, but almost the same everywhere else I went - Montrose lateish on a weeknight was populated and merry for a block or two, but isolated. Yes, downtown LA and such are also pretty empty, but not eerie like this, and there you don't have to go far from the skyscrapers to find street life. Poverty much more obvious, and people more explicit about their hustling/trying to make out. People were very friendly, though, and that was mostly a good thing. Will easily talk to random strangers on the rail line, including one almost-Slacker-esque (but wrong demographic) handoff exchange involving an evangelical. Diverse, but maybe the different types stand out more (or are more different) when things are samier. And while downtown was ugly in parts, there were a few interesting buildings, including some late art deco ones, and many of the performing arts centers (I stayed in their crossroads) were very nice. Girls hot, but not like LA. Weather not bad for a while, but got ridiculous towards the end - at one point (wearing dark, hot clothes, stupidly) I walked down a street almost hugging the side of a building to avoid the sun. Flora mostly typical suburban (and just about everything is, without zoning laws), but definitely some trees that you don't find at home - what are the ones that drop those hard, burnished acorn-type things? - including a few that looked Louisiana-ish. Also, what's up with the serious cockroaches and other bugs? I guess in Texas maybe you don't have to advertise your Bush support, but I did see a lot of Kerry-Edwards paraphernalia, admittedly mostly in yuppie neighborhoods - in one block near the Menil Collection I counted three yard signs and one bumper sticker. Also, within a block of my hotel was a Tim Robbins play and the John Kerry movie (at "the Angelika").

My weekend was for sightseeing, and was very pleasant. I missed out on the Space Center due to the tourgroup being totally disorganized/unprofessional, but this was a blessing in disguise, as I wouldn't have had time for the other stuff I wanted to do - lots of walking and museum-visiting. On Saturday, I took the light rail down to midtown and had catfish and (my first) grits and specialty coffee at The Breakfast Klub, which was great food and a great (youngish, buppie-ish) scene - crowding around the coffee jugs, football with an r&b/jazz soundtrack, voter registration table-to-table, in-depth conversations about MF Doom. Outside, I chatted with the rep of the local Af-Am theatre about his first trip to New York and the nice people there and tasted some Texas microbrews. Then off to the Natural Science museum to check out the well-financed, computer-heavy oil and gas exhibit, followed by the Texas stuffed-animal exhibit and briefly the native American (North and South) collection, all of which were pretty well-done. Then went into the butterfly center - a walk-in rainforest with butterfiles flying all around you - which was amazing. Walked into Hermann Park - pretty boring at first, and my lemon ice was alien green, but then there was the little train, a little half-hearted but cheerier, followed by this great DC Mall-like marshy area with big pond and little bridges and boats and lots of ducks (!), including local ones, and all was redeemed. Then walked around Rice, which was a bit samey muted version of UCLA/Cal-Tech/Stanford, but generally nice-looking with staggered trees, beach volleyball and horseshoe courts, a not-too-terrible Michael Graves dorm, and a big U-Dub-like football stadium. Continued into nice West U. area before coming to very deserted, more depressing Rice Village on my way to - getting worse - strip-mall arterial crossroad where I chose (poorly) the supposed best barbecue in town over haute-chain South American. Maybe it's just that chicken is the wrong choice (but I'm not eating unknown beef), or that I'd eaten way too much earlier in the day, but I felt like I get better Texas barbecue on the upper east side (though this was smokier, admittedly). My Lone Star was tasty, though. With blisters and bug bites, I took the bus home.

Sunday I went to the Menil Collection, which was fantastic. The Renzo Piano building perfectly suits its environment. The Surrealism stuff, which I've never been a big fan of, was stunning. I spent maybe a half hour just in the small room of artifacts, mostly Northwest Coast and Oceanic, that the surrealists collected. The other 20C stuff was very good, but I spent too much time there when the Antiquities were waiting. I'm going to have to go back to the old stuff in the Met that I used to find boring. And then there were Tony Smith (yay) sculptures and enough space for an enormous Dan Flavin installation whose impact was heightened by coming in from the heat. Didn't get to see the Twombly exhibit, unfortunately. The Rothko chapel didn't quite do it for me. Some great houses in the neighborhood (in fact I saw a few nice international style-ish buildings elsewhere, in unexpected places).

Was on expense account, so I ate in a handful of nice restaurants. The best was an outpost of a NY restaurant empire, but I also found a very nice place in midtown (next door to the Breakfast Klub) called T'afia. The kind of place with the right attitude - local, fresh, simple, feminine, intelligent and interesting waitstaff - but with an unusual focus - cheese and fruit (perhaps just the season?) more than vegetables, though their herbs stood out more than anything. A good place to support. And not terrifically expensive - you can get out with two small plates and a glass of pretty good Texas wine for under $25, and an app and entree for under $35. On the cheaper end, I ate at a Ninfa's takeout, which was worthy - I don't want to know what's in the great beans, but they'll fill you up for hours and hours. And Treebeard's was decent. Unfortunately, maybe, no Vietnamese, only discovering I had been past Mai's a few times right before I left.

So it was nice, but I was pretty ready to get back - never been so happy to see lights on in apartment towers and people wearing white belts. I don't feel any need to go back, but I wouldn't despair at getting shipped there again. I'd like to see the Medical museum, perhaps.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:18 (nineteen years ago) link

trying to make out

uh, that should be make do, i think. er.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

also, everyone was on about the Astros, understandably, which was sort of cool. didn't make it to a game, but thought about it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i highly recommend you check out the mini-documentary bonus dvd that comes with the Geto Boys best of if you ever get a chance.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

that was nice to read gabbneb. i will probably be leaving here in a few years when im done with grad school, but i dont have anything against the place that isnt my own fault (besides the weather). It's home, for better or worse. i think that a downtown scene is starting to get going actually.

i have to say that whenever i am in big cities like chicago or new york, you know REAL cities and not just the intersection of several suburbs and sprawl, i find it very exciting but also vaquely clausterphobic and threatening. no space, no light, no sky or horizon! it would take me a long time to adjust to that. i like my buildings FAR apart thanks very much!

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ill be spending ALOT of time in houston in the next year. I cant say whether IM looking forward to it or not...

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 7 October 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I certainly like light, sky, horizon and know what you mean. But they can be found to some extent in such cities if you go to the right places (or if you are high up enough in the air). In Manhattan, that would be a lot of the West Side and, of course, Central Park. And many parts of the outer boroughs yield the same. D.C., with its height restrictions, is something of a compromise - perhaps it's marginal on real city-ness to some, but I put it there.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Revive.

Anthony was otm above. Where are these William Norman Floyd houses? Are they the ones in the Menil's neighborhood?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

http://users.ev1.net/~michaelb/bend/bend.htm

anthony, Saturday, 21 May 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Mai's is not the best Vietnamese in Houston, nor even in Little Saigon. Take the Southwest Freeway about ten miles south -- exit at Bellaire, take a right on Bellaire, drive about a mile, and then take your pick from any of the thousands of Vietnamese or Vietnamese/Chinese restaurants out there in the real Chinatown.

Or drive up Hillcroft, if you're in the mood for something else. South of 59, it's Central American, all pupusas and gorditas. Drive north and you hit first Little Bombay, then Little Tehran, then Little Beirut, all of which are interspersed with random stuff like Mexican hip-hop clubs, Tejano gay bars, and a "Flying Pizza" joint straight outta the 1950s.

Or drive down Bissonnet west of the little enclave city of Bellaire. There you'll find African CD and Video shops run by Cote de Ivoirian women, the Moo Hive Honey Ice Cream Parlor, an outpost of Pollo Campero, and the Tat Dat Azz tattoo parlor. There's a little Havana down there, not to mention Colombians, Nigerians, Katrina Exiles, Salvadorans, Filipinos, Hondurans, Belizeans, etc.

No, the suburbs are not dull here. The far ring is; the inner ring, esp. on the SW side, is the immigrant city of the future.

Fetchin Bones (Fetchin Bones), Saturday, 3 June 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't find Mai's to live up to its reputation.

me and deluca (account), Saturday, 3 June 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

my reference to Goode Co above has been rescinded - that place rules

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

mai's is popular because it's central and open very late. southwest houston has better places, but as you noted they're ten miles outside of 610 and close at nine or ten.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

capital grille, striphouse, pappas bros, vic and anthony's ............. smith and wollensky (in that order)

me and deluca (account), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link

did you make it to Churrascos or Americas?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 4 June 2006 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope. I didn't even make it to Goode Co. sadly. Found out I was heading back to LA on short notice.

me and deluca (account), Sunday, 4 June 2006 03:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Capital Grill and Smith & Wollensky are both chains. Bah. That's not authentic Houston. You have to go to a lesser known Taqueria or a nice dim sum place that is not found all over the country. But I have really bad taste so I'm not a good reference.

I went to Smith & Wollensky recently and got their highly praised pork shank with applesauce and wanted to throw up afterwards. It was shit. The service was shit. Everything was shit. I would've faired better with IHOP.

If you're downtown then Zambuka (not sure if that's spelled correctly) is a lovely place. For sushi I love Koko's Yakatori on Richmond. Yum, yum. Houston's is always a good bet. It is comparable to Capital Grille but has a more local flavor.

Rebekkah (burntbrat), Sunday, 4 June 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I was rating Houston's steakhouses. It has nothing to do with authenticity. If I cared about that, I would never go to Houston.

me and deluca (account), Sunday, 4 June 2006 05:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I was a fan of Himalaya when I lived in SW Houston. At the time, the general recommendation was to let the 60-something proprietor pick out what he wanted you to eat. The pilaf dishes were huge.

At the time, I would have also called out Caracal (Mexican seafood), Mai's (midtown Vietnamese), Blue Nile (best Ethiopian I've had in 4 cities, not incl. DC), Star Pizza (Chicago style pizza).

Should I ever mend bridges with my mother, I'll drag her to Afrikiko, that sounds fun.

nonderepressible (Sanpaku), Thursday, 30 August 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

When I was in Houston a little while back, I ran into writer Joe Nick Patoski at a zydeco and Cajun show at a park. He told me he was going to southern soul bar the Silver Slipper. He didn't mention they had live music, just the jukebox. I didn't go. I should have.

http://www.texashighways.com/culture-lifestyle/item/9051-experience-one-of-the-best-live-music-scenes-in-texas-at-houston-s-silver-slipper

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...
nine months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/sYAi983.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

Ha! Was just coming here to post that a taco place is opening up where the Galleria Zone D'Erotica was, only to see that the news was broke here by me upthread almost two years ago.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 January 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

WE GOT 50 CENT

I Love NY, but i live in Houston now i’ll explain later.🚦Green Light Gang 💣BOOM💥 pic.twitter.com/z6FAkAYwB4

— 50cent (@50cent) May 4, 2021

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link

did he buy the Astrodome and move into it?

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link

Possibly! Would make as much sense as any other plans for it.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:41 (two years ago) link


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