Yeah it should be considered out of contention. But so what. Freaks and Geeks still wins it.
― humansuit, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
the breakfast club has almost as many one-dimensional cultural stereotypes as titanic
― kenan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, really. it's just a bad movie, full stop.
but john hughes movies are not really about characterization beyond type. they're an arena for Issues to Be Worked Out. I guess that's why none of you like them, which is fair, but it doesn't make sense to be all, "the problem with the breakfast club is that the characters are shallow."
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Apatow's got his brand now, and it seems like he's giving his regulars the chance to write and direct stuff now that he can:
Step Brothers (2008) (pre-production) (producer) You Don't Mess with the Zohan (2008) (filming) (producer) Forgetting Sarah Marshall (2008) (post-production) (producer) Drillbit Taylor (2008) (post-production) (producer) Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (2007) (post-production) (producer) ... aka Walk Hard (USA: short title) The Pineapple Express (2008) (completed) (producer)
― Jordan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Hughes is a bro and he made some pretty good non-teen movies (especially Planes, Trains & Automobiles!) before he descended down the path of Home Alone-type shit.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
But Ferris Bueller? That's kind of like the Muhammad Ali of teen comedies.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
but john hughes movies are not really about characterization beyond type. they're an arena for Issues to Be Worked Out.
^^^^^ YES
Issues often worked out in a rather conservative offensive way though (see: TBC Ally Sheedy makeover, Ringwald getting the rich slimeball at end of PIP, FB's smug "stop and smell the roses at other people's expense" moral etc.)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
LET THE GOTH BE A GOTH you BASTARDS
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
"conservative"
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Bloated and brain-damaged?
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean it should be obvious that a lot of Hughes' films resolve in this deeply reactionary way that explicitly reinforces the status quo (which had supposedly been torturing his characters' throughout the course of his films)
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Ringwald getting the rich slimeball at end of PIP
this is incorrect! the politics of PiP are really, really earnest, but they're good.
(nb: I have no ability to be objective about this movie.)
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
TBC shd have faded out to RAMMSTEIN
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I was actually thinking the greatest of all time?
Seriously. Name me one better than FBDO in the Teen Comedy category. One.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Dazed & Confused
― milo z, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
its interesting to compare Hughes' spate of teen movies to its immediate predecessors like Little Darlings, Over the Edge, Foxes, etc. where the emphasis was always on TEENS GONE WRONG OH NOES WHAT HATH THE 60s WROUGHT. Hughes' vision is much more reassuring and polite.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
there are a million teen movies better than FBDO!
Dazed and Confused for one, Over the Edge for another, shit I think I even enjoy Revenge of the Nerds more
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
ts: films starrin cherie currie vs films starrin joan jett!
JJ wins obv but i would say that
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
The teens on "The Price is R ight" are less smug. God, Ferris Bueller would have made Reagan a happier, prouder dad.
There's an anecdote involving Jack Nicholson at a FBDO screening.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Ferris Bueller is molten Reaganism in its purest form.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
no, that's Adventures in Babysitting.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Better than Abe Froeman, the Sausage King of Chicago?
Better than Sloan Peterson?
Better than the 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California?
Come on - D&C is GREAT...really great. Over the Edge, also very good. But in boxing terms, Foreman and Frazier to FBDO's Ali.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
YES
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
(and by YES I mean that's why its kinda gross to have to live through)
guys, I take your point, but seriously, Adventures in Babysitting!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Isn't that the one where Elizabeth Shue sings blooze? Jeezum.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Aren't Ferris Bueller and Adventures in Babysitting pretty much the same movie?
― jaymc, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
one stars a girl the other stars a boy. MARKETING!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
there should be a thread about "pretty much the same movie"
― kenan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
yes. most Reaganite moment in that movie: Shue's best friend Brenda, who the whole movie is devoted to "rescuing," and with whom we're meant to sympathize is stuck without money in a bus station in the terrifying city (as opposed to the suburbs, which the movie champions). she's on the phone in a phone booth which a homeless man knocks on, yelling, "that's my home!" she removes his personal effects from the booth and says, "you just moved!"
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Am I totally imagining this, or isn't/wasn't there some bad blood btwn Apatow and some guy who was largely responsible for "That 70's Show"? I remember reading a series of emails btwn the two of them which was pubished in Harper's magazine's "Readings" section a few years back. I guess they had been really tight at some point, but then had a falling out of some sorts. Anyhow, as I recall, the "70's Show" guy came off as being something of a jerk.
Apatow definitely >>>> John Hughes, but I still like 16 Candles lots, annoying racist parts notwithstanding. Also, I don't want to like Ferris Bueller, but it's an undeniable classic that will outlive, say, The Breakfast Club.
At least we can feel confident that Judd Apatow will never sink down into Home Alone-territory...
― dell, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
You forgot: Brenda makes a point of how smelly and disgusting these peopel are, and being afraid of them for that reason.
(xpost)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
*people
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
How come noone is talking about Heavyweights????
― mizzell, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, I didn't want to go into detail, but there are many many moments like that in the movie.
xposts
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, starring:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/traci_lords/Ed-Meese150.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Am I totally imagining this, or isn't/wasn't there some bad blood btwn Apatow and some guy who was largely responsible for "That 70's Show"?
hmmm never heard of this but F&G and That 70s Show did start around the same time ircc
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2002/03/0079095
― jaymc, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Thursday, December 6, 2001
Two TV titans engage in email battle
The creator of the light-hearted teen comedy "That '70s Show" revealed a nasty streak during a recent e-mail exchange.
The online argument took place between "'70s" creator Mark Brazill and "Undeclared" and "Freaks And Geeks" creator Judd Apatow, The New York Post reports.
Seems "'70s Show" star Topher Grace accidentally started the e-mail war when he expressed an interest in doing a guest spot on Apatow's "Undeclared". Topher and Apatow originally thought Topher's guest appearance wouldn't cause problems since both shows are on the Fox network.
It turned out to be a huge problem for Brazill.
The trouble started after Apatow, who met Brazill about 10 years ago, tried calling him about Topher's potential "Undeclared" spot, but his calls went unanswered.
The "Undeclared" mastermind then sent Brazill an e-mail asking why Brazill had a problem with him. He received this e-mail back:
"Yeah, we were friends in the early '90s," Brazill wrote. "And if you don't recall what happened, I'll remind you. I had a pilot at MTV called 'Yard Dogs' about a rock band living in Hollywood. I told you about it and you proceeded to completely rip it off, storyline and all, for 'The Ben Stiller Show.' When it turned up on your show, everything went away overnight . . . I had no job, no money, nothing."
Apatow replied and said he wasn't sure what Brazill was referring to, and that since "The Ben Stiller Show" was less than a success, it shouldn't have affected Brazill's program.
But the reply seemed to have further infuriated Brazill, who responded by calling Apatow a "showbiz weasel" and telling him to "get cancer".
Apatow apparently tried to remain level-headed through the heated exchange, writing back: " I wish you had called me about this years ago. I'm sure we could have worked it out. Try not to be so angry. Not everyone is as bad as you think."
But Apatow's friendly e-mail only fuelled Brazill's fire, and the "'70s Show" writer finished the argument by saying:
"We'll never be 'friends'... I respect you zero."
Brazill is reportedly ashamed about his behaviour. He told the Page Six staff that he regrets his e-mail comments and that he's "apologized to Judd".
― milo z, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
"Not everyone is as bad as you think"
^^^ on what planet wd this line calm anyone down?
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
To name a Scottish contemporary of Hughes's, he can't touch Bill Forsyth's Gregory's Girl or That Sinking Feeling.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Can you see the similarities?
HER
http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/ferrisgirlfriend3.jpg
vs
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
er, HER:
http://www.harrywalker.com/photos/Kirkpatrick.jpg
i thought i saw some but now i don't
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
most molten reagan movie:
http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/secret_of_my_success.jpg
CHAMPAGNE, BABY
― kenan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
sportcoat and jeans combo, as invented by hank scorpio!
― kenan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
best film abt the suburbs = the swimmer
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I prefer Swimfan.
― milo z, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
mmm Jesse Bradford
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Yesterday morning it was a perfectly decent thread. Now look at it.
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
it all comes down to "liberal" gabbneb's cognitive dissonance about his love for an ostensibly conservative film
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
<A href=http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/22/could-a-ferris-bueller-sequel-be-on-the-way/>Bueller SEQUEL?!?</a>
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
that was discussed upthread (highly unlikely, to say the least)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
i have less than zero invested in ferris bueller
i just like to point out mormonism
― gabbneb, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
i spose i shouldn't waste my time on the easy stuff tho
hey there's no mormons in Less Than Zero!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
this thread was insane, just insane
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 10 September 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link