Hatred of Itunes

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Well yeah, use MP3 Rage to fix them, if you're on a Mac. If you get it a lot it must be a pain. I've only had like four ever that have done that.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

could it be a permissions thing? like could they be read-only or something? (click on a pesky one in the finder, hit command-i, and see what it says under permissions)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

The itunes version of this (aside from the slightly clunkier hands-on interface after you load it) is to take your entire mp3 folder and, based on what might be incorrect tags, just put them into the folders it deems best in an automatic process that you have no control over. Have a compilation folder with a bunch of different' artist's tracks? It'll create a folder for each individual song. That gets really tiring after you get more than a few gigs of mp3s downloaded or ripped.

What I still don't understand about all this is why it matters to you what folders the mp3s are in. I hardly ever even look at the file directories for mp3s. I just use the Library. If you retag the tracks correctly then it will put them in right artist folder. I'm not sure why you are having that problem with compilations - the V/A compilations I have all seem to go in a folder called 'Compilations' and then in subfolders named after the title of the compilation. It doesn't create a separate folder for each song at all. I don't know if this is caused by checking that 'part of a compilation' check box. As I say, I never really look at the folder structure when it comes to my mp3s.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah me neith, it seems like a totally ok way for my mp3s to be arranged, so what do i care

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a bit of a hypocrite, because I hate the way iPhoto does this and just use the Finder and Photoshop Elements instead. But that's mainly cause I want to do things to photos in Photoshop. I'm not arsing around tweaking my mp3s in other applications all the time. I guess some people are (though it's pretty intuitive where locate an mp3 when you need to, and there's always 'Find' if you're struggling).

Anyway, if it's working properly then you should just be able to uncheck 'keep organised' and 'copy to itunes music folder' in Advanced Prefs, to stop it doing all the auto organising, should you wish. I don't know why this wasn't working for Jay. I wish one could do the same in iPhoto.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been using iTunes for 6 months now without any problems.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

If you retag the tracks correctly then it will put them in right artist folder.

Well, do you mean manually? Because that seems to make itunes' first-time-run "we'll organize your files for you" function irrelevant. I care about what folders my mp3s are in because I use different programs for burning them than playing them...either musicmatch or nero, and usually browse my music folder and click 'n drag the files into those programs. Also, I've mostly used winamp to play mp3s so I queue them up from folders as well. I'm just used to dealing with folders so it's much more of a psychological thing.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

you're a folder fanatic! that's cool

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

some people just like to freak the folders!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, do you mean manually?

I'm not sure what you mean either! Manually, or by using the Gracenote CCDB tool, yeah. As soon as you retag it, the mp3 will be moved to the relevant artist - album folder. Anyway, I sort of understand this folder interest as a 'that's what I'm used to' thing.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I think itunes works better on the mac than it does with a pc. I had loads of problems with freezes on the latter.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

FUCK washing a PC.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like iTunes for the most part, but I've had a few of the same problems people have had above, and I'm on a windows machine. re-tagging a file outside of iTunes doesn't always seem to work for some reason, I can reimport the file fifty times and iTunes still can't find it, I have to search for the untagged file in the library and redo it there. I can't burn at all with itunes, it's useless. i really wish they could work out the importing an untagged file problem.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm also a successful and happy iTunes user. Charging right along at full speed burning too.

The Doug's iTunes AppleScripts page is hella useful for managing tracks

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I have WinXP.

I use:

1) Exact Audio Copy w/ LAME set to www.bestmp3guide.com specs for ripping & encoding

2) Musicbrainz for tagging if I haven't been able to find the disc on the freedb

3) Nero for burning

4) WinAmp for playing, and the IPod plugin for WinAmp to manage my IPod. It is the shit.

5) SharePod to backup my IPod / transmit mp3 files from my IPod to my hard drive.

I used ITunes for about half a day before I junked it. It became completely superfluous when I got the new free WinAmp IPod plugin, which seems to have faster transfer rates and a more intuitive interface for PC users. Plus, configurable.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't even know that existed! I will have to try it out.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
why does itunes make you re-install quicktime with every new upgrade? why do they make you bundle it with quicktime in the first place? i hardly ever use quicktime and i'd rather save the disk space.

My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

BECAUSE QUICKTIME IS USED FOR DECODING ALL THE MUSIC, MORAN!

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

but quicktime wasn't used in earlier versions, was it? it wasn't called "itunes + quicktime."

couldn't they just install whatever quicktime uses to decode the music without making you download the video player part of it? i don't want itunes to be a video player (or a music store, or a podcast player).

My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

but quicktime wasn't used in earlier versions, was it?

NO IT WAS! QUICKTIME +ITUNES TOTAL IS LESS THAN 100 MEGABYTES (I'm using that as an upper bound ;) ... probably like ~25 iirc)

MAYBE YOU SHOULD GIVE UP ON COMPUTERS IF YOUR COMPUTER DOESN'T HAVE THE GONADS TO HANDLE ITUNES, MAN!

Macintosh Minimum Requirements
400 MHz G3 processor or faster
At least 128 MB of RAM
Mac OS X v10.3.9 or later

Windows Minimum Requirements
A Pentium processor-based PC or compatible computer
At least 128MB of RAM
Windows 2000/XP

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

They didn't always bundle them together, but if I recall correctly it has always used the QT engine (since it was renamed from SoundJam to iTunes). They must have used QT as the mp3 engine since 4.1 (October 16, 2003) which was the first PC/Mac version.

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Jody, you have a PC, yeah? If you want an older version of iTunes without all the video assery try here.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

it doesn't answer the question of why they make you reinstall QT in is entirety EVERY TIME rather than just whatever new files are necessary. there should at least be the option not to... it'd save some time.

alba: thx, will try it out later.

My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I have actually been using windows media player for mp3's of late. I was hesitant at first, but then I noticed a great feautre - the ability to search for a song within the player module! I use it very often. HOnestly its is just a blue version of itunes for the most part.

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're installing a new version of iTunes it's probably because they have to update the DRM for iTunes store songs. I seem to remember reinstalling a version of iTunes and being able to specify that I didn't want Quicktime to be installed at the same time. Then again I haven't upgraded my Windows version of iTunes for a while. My day-to-day iPod is connected to the library on my Powerbook.

Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm only bitching about disk space b/c my laptop has a pretty small HD, most of which i fill up with mp3s (and even though it's all backed up to an external drive, i like the convenience of having the music on my laptop).

My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Greg, otm, and also they're rapidly adding support for crazy shit like podcast meta info based on song position, etc.

Do you have a DELL?

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

do i have a dell? no, a thinkpad.

My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank god. Those are one of the few Pee See laptops I like. These are laptops for real men:

http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobile/bullfrog-dual/

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

winamp is 5 mb. AND IT'S NOT SHITTY.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Best thing about that Winamp plugin = begin able to drag everything off other people's iPods. Fuck iTunes.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

What are Winamp's minimum system requirements?
Minimum system requirements

500MHz Pentium III or comparable
64MB RAM
15MB Hard Disk Space
16bit Sound Card
Windows 98 SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 2003
1x speed or greater CD Burner (Required for Burning)
2x speed or greater CDROM (Required for Ripping)
Recommended system requirements
1.5 GHz Pentium IV or comparable
128MB RAM
30MB Hard Disk Space
32bit Sound Card
Windows 2000, Windows XP
8x speed or greater CD Burner (Required for Burning)
16x speed or greater CDROM (Required for Ripping)

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, download size has very little to do with how much RAM stuff eats.

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Winamp was good up to version 2.82. Then it was poor.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, iTunes eats a ton of RAM on PC compared to Winamp. It takes ages just to open the fucking piece of shit. Thank the lord for Anapod.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I use iTunes for extended listening sessions (and ripping but not burning) and WinAmp if I just want to hear one or two things quickly.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

iTunes does lack a mode where you can, like stevem says, just listen to one or two tracks. It's frustrating when it tries to copy everything to the music library, forcing you to hunt it down and delete it (worse when it's a poorly-tagged file).

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Winamp's user interface was designed by idiots. Anyone who keeps on using it when there are plenty of good players out there is insane.

http://www.foobar2000.org/

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon please come wave your dick in my face too

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's frustrating when it tries to copy everything to the music library"


TURN THAT OPTION OFF THEN.

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah it was v easy to reject iTunes offer to mess with my existing setup.

Winamp interface is fine. Foobar2000 has a silly name and smells of wee.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Tech dudes be angry lolz
XPOST
WINAMP IS FINE IF YOU RUN AT 800X600 AND HAVE PERFECT VISION

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I JUST XPOSTED .... MYSELF

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

my itunes library structure is wuvly, and wuvs stevem (well base58.com) second only to "compilations" at the mo :-)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

MAYBE YOU SHOULD GIVE UP ON COMPUTERS IF YOUR EYES DON'T HAVE THE GONADS TO HANDLE WINAMP, MAN!

xpost

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

TURN THAT OPTION OFF THEN

WHAT IF I WANT IT ON NORMALLY?

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

god I hate WinAmp. Even though AOL bought them YEARS ago and had tons of mindshare and stuff they got stomped by iPod/iTunes -- originally a Mac only system -- in like a year!

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I love how passionate you people get about this.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Attack of the French!

I use WinAmp at work still because I can't install anything else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i’m cool with whatever iteration of music i have rn, except for the one time it deleted my entire library lol

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:56 (eleven months ago) link

(it wasn’t a permanent deletion, but i am still correcting album art and tagging errors from when i reconstructed my library … 1.5ish years ago)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:57 (eleven months ago) link

oh, one forever beef: album artist tagging dividing an album into two albums sometimes has been a recurring issue in this fucking program since i was in college

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:58 (eleven months ago) link

i know how to fix it but it’s still incredibly stupid

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:59 (eleven months ago) link

iTunes is nearing its end, it’s already long gone on the Mac and the new Apple Music app is now downloadable as a beta on the Microsoft Store.

Siegbran, Thursday, 18 May 2023 06:42 (eleven months ago) link

oh, one forever beef: album artist tagging dividing an album into two albums sometimes has been a recurring issue in this fucking program since i was in college

DIEMOTHERFUCKINGMusic Library.musiclibraryDIE..... it's bullshit how much is offloaded to this stupid file.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 18 May 2023 09:29 (eleven months ago) link

I don’t use “album artist” and just stick with “artist” field.

But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Thursday, 18 May 2023 10:19 (eleven months ago) link

I've used itunes forever only as a way to organize mp3s on my computer, I haven't updated to a new version in years, hopefully I'm not going to run into issues if it goes away

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 18 May 2023 14:57 (eleven months ago) link


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