Defend the Indefensible - Concrete Architecture

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What is the favourite restaurant?

The only thing I can think that's even edible there is the Japanese place!

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

No concrete architecture means: no barbican, no post office tower, no guggenheim, no roma termini, no firenze santa maria novella, no saltdean lido, no south florida art deco, no park hill, no Unite d'Abitation, no cooling towers, no ilkeston moor tv mast, no liverpool catholic cathedral.

I like boring glass buildings. Minimalist shiny glass architecture = shiny minimal techno. Sprawling concrete complexes = old-skool 70s prog r0x0r.

There is so much wrong with this statement. Concrete inhabits the same modernist realm as steel and glass. Concrete architecture is the kraftwerk and idustrial of arhcitecture. Steel and class in more like trance ocassional there is some good but most of the time it's just lazy bad design and no substance.

Ed (dali), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_2464522.150.jpg

Ed (dali), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.open2.net/modernity/jpgs/parkhill1.jpg

Ed (dali), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

not so keen on Park Hill judging by those pics.

i have warmed considerably to the Trellick. i used to think it was hideous and perhaps in a way it is, but the actual interior design is superb (not been in but saw a detailed BBC docu piece on it a few months back)


shame we don't have Niemeyer stuff here really

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:53 (twenty years ago) link

old-skool 70's prog r0x0r = orbiting bavarian space-castles

sprawling concrete complexes = 70's old-skool TG/CV

shiny minimal techno = 'secondary moderns'

minimalist shiny glass architecture = philip glass, obv

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:53 (twenty years ago) link

richard meier's jubilee church, rome.

ihttp://www.archnewsnow.com/features/images/Feature0123_04x.jpg

RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

The Erotic Gherkin - Classic or Dud?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

the concrete and brick estate i can see from my work window is just awful

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

If you're going to build a mucky grey building, make it out of concrete as the Good Lord intended.

-- Tim (hopkinsti...), December 5th, 2002 12:20 PM.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone got a photo of the Bilbao Airport. That was a concrete looker.

The Hairy Tortoise Kate. Home of the finest Malaysian Chicken Curry & Rice Evah!

Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:08 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, OK, yeah, the hairy tortoise is quite good. Mmmm, getting a hankering for their tofu and mushroom thingy.

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

so we've established that the rest of the world kicks the UK's arse for wakcy concrete architecture, what now?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

I am starting to realise that concrete looks cool in huge sweeping curved structures and rubbish in anything with right-angles. I'm sure colour plays a big part in this as well. I'm sure the Guggenheim doesn't look like a giant grey exhaust-stain IRL.

Or, xpost, what Stevem said.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

Riot.

xpost

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

I am assuming this thread is all about "concrete lookers" (as pete puts it) and not about concrete buildings/structures, otherwise, or about any other aspects of concrete and its use.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Palace of Versaille = French house

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

French House = Brothel

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

yes, so far
concrete buildings of jenga quality = dud
concrete buildings of sci-fi-novel-cover quality = classic

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

far too general. Angles and curves living together in harmony, or disharmony it's good.

Ed (dali), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

precast concrete buildings = dud
poured concrete buildings = classic

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RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

I agree that concrete is pretty depressing.

The solution is not pink paint but light-emitting concrete.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

ah, it's a block thing.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

Park hill flats are a dangerous, nasty place and should be destroyed/

and do you mean Emley mast Ed? Ilkeston is at the bottom of a valley near Derby? If so yeah, right on the tops above Bradford? dominates the skyline for miles and miles - fantastic stuff

chris (chris), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

It's not that concrete sucks, it's that people don't take advantage of its properties.

http://mimezine.com/~uhtu/2003.08/lr_marina_city.jpg

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

that's huge but beautiful

chris (chris), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't that the thing off the cover of that Wilco album?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, they had it built specifically for it.

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

Park Hill just got a cracking huge EC grant to refurbish, didn't it? They're doing installations there now. It looks amazing on a sunny day.

The biggest problem an architect faces with concrete seems to be rain stains - remember the stuff was invented by peoples who didn't see as much rain as the rest of us.

A painter ex-neighbour of mine has just been rehoused in the Brunswick Centre, where he is in delirium about the light he is getting in his conservatory, which fills the flat with lovely sunshine. These are meant to be machines for living in, so I can forgive the hallways somewhat in the knowledge that nobody in the place suffers from SAD. However Pete is right, they ought to blanket-ban net curtains there - ruins the sightlines.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

If you scroll down fast it's like it's falling on top of you.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

corb was a bit silly, really.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

angles were not precluded

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

I think it can be best summarised as follows:


Ronan Point
http://www.geocities.com/simpsonneil/ronanpoint_lrg.jpg

Vs.

Roehampton estate
http://www.geocities.com/simpsonneil/roehamp1_lrg.jpg

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

shit, hang on.

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/simpsonneil/roehamp1_lrg.jpg

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

sorry. My Pc appears to be going mental.

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

Ronan Point?!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

the only grant for Park hill shjould be to demolish it, not sure what it's like now to be honest, but back when I was thirteen/fourteen it was the place that we dared each other to go to the top of. There was crap and needles everywhere

chris (chris), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

we may also be forgetting that any the vast majority of buildings look ten times nice on a bright sunny day. well i find that anyway.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

retardotype, escuse me

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

should i make a badly drawn kitten attack another building? or should i not bother?

g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

Ronan Point as an example of bad corbusier derived modernist concrete architecture with right angles, Roehampton as an example of good corbusier derived concrete modernist architecture with right angles.

xpost

Oh go on, why not.

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

Badly Drawn Kitten definitely needs a go at the Tricorn. They're demolishing the thing anyway, what better way to go than obliterated by a giant cat?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

Also, if BDK won't do it, TANKPUSS will!

http://alantrewartha.20m.com/cattank-t.jpg

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, sorry about that picture - it didn't look like that when I tried it out before posting.

Yes, it is Marina City in Chicago and the building on the Wilco album - you should look up Bertrand Goldberg if you like it.

I'll ask the mods to take it down and use the link instead.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Badly Drawn Kit stikes again!

http://www.kittenrecords.co.uk/archkit.jpg

g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

xp
Thanks, but I didn't take them. The building has a dramatic acute angle on one of the outside corners (like a wedge) but I couldn't find any pictures of that.

nickn, Saturday, 20 July 2013 01:07 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Fendi has bought the Palazzo della Civiltà Italiana. Even without the history, it's a strange, sinister building for reasons i've never quite been able to put my finger on.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11938018/Fendi-unveils-restored-Mussolini-building-as-its-headquarters-in-Rome.html

Al Ain Delon (ShariVari), Friday, 23 October 2015 07:27 (eight years ago) link

it looks more like an aquaduct than a building and it gives me the same unsettling sense of emptiness you get in some of giorgio de chirico's paintings. being elevated heightens it

https://zoowithoutanimals.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/de-chirico_melancholia-1916.jpg

http://www.galleryintell.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Giorgio-de-Chirico_cropped.jpg

ogmor, Friday, 23 October 2015 10:23 (eight years ago) link

Used to good effect in Taymor's Titus (1999):

http://youtu.be/t-TC2CxtVgw?t=5m17s

Lust, etc. (Sanpaku), Friday, 23 October 2015 10:48 (eight years ago) link

It's a fascinating building - though we should note for the record that Mussolini would not have stood for exposed concrete here! That's all travertine, the new Rome and all that.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 23 October 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

New book and museum show explores mid-century Brutalism.

https://hyperallergic.com/427997/a-colossal-compendium-of-brutalist-architecture-argues-for-saving-our-concrete-monsters/

nickn, Friday, 23 February 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link

I have a short piece in the catalog and a few photos in that and the affiliated conference proceedings, so I got an advance copy and I can say that it's gorrrrgeous, really well put together and I can't wait to have the time to actually read it all.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 24 February 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

Anyone bought this?

https://www.waterstones.com/book/iconicon/john-grindrod/9780571348138

djh, Saturday, 9 April 2022 15:05 (two years ago) link


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