Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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He devotes something like 20 pages to it in The Wanker's Tale and about how much of a genius it makes him. HOOT!

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

the more I realized that Rose was RTD's mary sue, the more I started hating the character

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

x-mas spoiler: SO dumb that it just might work????

http://media.tumblr.com/df8543798f07aacbfa189b9d093f41c4/tumblr_inline_mlkmb0LXWl1qz4rgp.gif

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

okay Nicole that is incredible

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

I can't help thinking of New X-Men.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

If anyone wants an EARLY piece of evidence I am genuine, I could give you all spoilers from ANY up coming BBC programme... Just pick one!

It's one thing to say 'Cardiff we have a problem' and it's another to beg to be blacklisted

Brakhage, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

it's a bullet point in the post titled "Clarity"

I refuse to retype it because that might make it come true

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:29 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh fuck no

mistah WRIGHT! WHAT you doin'? (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link

brace yerselves

geronimHO HO HO

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link

re this lot of rumours: this is the sort of thing that might come out of a production that was failing, but the fact that it's still hugely successful (critically and viewerly) means this sort of thing would normally be tolerated.

the best parallel i can think of is in australian politics, where our last pm was so reviled by his own party for being tyrannical and ruthless that he was rejected by his own party, and then subsequently fought off like six times by a government which is actively falling to pieces. assuming at this point that moffat really is so horrible to work with that the production would rather just not be making the show at all.

as aldo said, this isn't coming from nowhere either. rumours touching on this have been floating around for ages.

xp noooooooooooooooo

mistah WRIGHT! WHAT you doin'? (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

btw 'series 8 intentions' reads a lot like 'series 27 intentions'

- metatraxi
- safe-cracking companion
- lungbarrow

mistah WRIGHT! WHAT you doin'? (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

More spoilers.

I have a bad feeling about this...the xmas rumor is probably true.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

tbh I am fine with the Omega idea

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:52 (eleven years ago) link

unless of course it ends up that Omega is (Xmas rumor) in which case I may have to hunt and sleigh

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:53 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I'm not saying that that's a bad idea but it makes his other claims (like the xmas special) seem a bit more credible.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

I know that the Daleks are the original Who monster but I've always felt like Omega is the ultimate Who boogeyman thanks to him being the bad guy in The Three Doctors

I also love the pattern of Gallifrey's greatest heroes turning into monsters that threaten the cosmos, because what does that mean for the Doctor?

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:57 (eleven years ago) link

Xmas rumour sounds like terrific fun, I am also mega-down with Feast Of Steven

charli.xlsx (sic), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago) link

can we avoid being so open about rumours in case they turn out to be real spoilers though

charli.xlsx (sic), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

(or "rumours" since they're just one blatantly attention-seeking bloke on a blog, not accreted murmurs)

charli.xlsx (sic), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link

That blog post reads as hysterically overdramatic comedy butthurt to me but this is Doctor Who I suppose.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link

Agreed, the Xmas rumour strikes me as a fun idea actually.

I imagine many, or even most, shows have similar background stories.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link

I'm sorry Chuck, now we have to kill you

no hard feelings?

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

That blog post reads as hysterically overdramatic comedy butthurt to me but this is Doctor Who I suppose.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 2 May 2013 01:04 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

instantly thought of ian levine when i read this

mistah WRIGHT! WHAT you doin'? (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link

I made it through Happiness Patrol, you can't hurt me anymore

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:32 (eleven years ago) link

Oh god how did I miss the that when I was listing stupid things that happened in Doctor Who

Fucking Delta and the Bannermen too, ffs

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

watching Happiness Patrol tonight, RIP Helen A

charli.xlsx (sic), Thursday, 2 May 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

!!!

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link

okay lol

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

actually you know what was a super underrated 7th Doctor story that gets lumped in with the terrible ones but has a fantastically creepy kernel and is surprisingly enjoyable, is Paradise Towers

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

I have a hell of a lot of affection for that story, particularly as it came on telly when I was nine. The cleaner robots really shat me up at the time (think we've been through this before).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link

I watched it again a few years ago, and while it's not in the least bit scary anymore it's good campy fun.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link

It's probably been a good 10 years (or more!) since I last saw it but I remember being amazed that there was a good story there fighting to break through a terrible, terrible production

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link

I feel like their enjoyable creepiness probably owes more to their poor production values than any kind of artistic choice (see also: all Carry On movies), but still, you take what you can.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 May 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link

the only part of PT that doesn't really make any sense no matter how you spin it is Mel's "I don't care if this whole place is a series of deathtraps, my ass is going swimming" determination

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 2 May 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

Mel is a complete moron, I don't expect her character to make any sense.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Thursday, 2 May 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

It's probably been a good 10 years (or more!) since I last saw it but I remember being amazed that there was a good story there fighting to break through a terrible, terrible production

this is the case of every Cartmel story* bar Remembrance, which still has to deal with all-video and Keff McCulloch

so with that said, Happiness Patrol is amazing and kid-me was a fool to hate the Kandyman


*nb: Time And The Rani and Silver Nemesis were JNT commissions

charli.xlsx (sic), Thursday, 2 May 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link

ha ha, the comments at Wife In Space are full of people who also hated it as kids loving it on rewatch 26 years later

charli.xlsx (sic), Friday, 3 May 2013 06:47 (eleven years ago) link

Would've been a very average episode in the Tennant era, but now its straightforwardness was rather refreshing. I liked the sepia sequence.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

Diana Rigg was great. The death of Mr Sweet reminded me of Eraserhead.

DavidM, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

Really enjoyed that quite a lot. Diana Rigg's character reminded me go Harrison Chase, for reasons unclear.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Saturday, 4 May 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

that whistleblower blog has been taken down fwiw

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

against my judgement we're sort of perfunctorily watching this, probably because we feel compelled to stick with television even when it loses us

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

so far the following tropes that we're sick of have occurred:

- people doing something obviously alienish that makes it clear they're aliens even though we're supposed to be intrigued (this week the salt down the blouse thing)
- aliens talking to other aliens
- the doctor bursting in in full bumbling clown mode (which his only mode)

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

when the doctor emerges bright red and like dying or whatever, we're supposed to be concerned/worried/saddened/whatever (and we would be if it were ecclestone or tennant), but because this doctor has only one mode (bumbling clown) we both just fully expected him to do a lol stumble down the hall or something

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link

also, fuck strax

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link

Harsh AA. That was an enjoyable episode.

Jason Dowd, Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

* eccleston

also, before sic comes in and schools me about the history of doctor who, the specific problem i have with aliens talking to other aliens is that it's a reduced experience for the viewer watching two beings with inflexible prosthetic heads (strax and that lizard woman thing who i don't care what she is because i'm just annoyed now) share a scene when basically everything they can deliver has to happen through speech or smiles alone (and tbh this is a further example of my criticism of this year's scripts being so *verbal*), and so you're left with basically deep space nine type scenes

xp we're now two thirds through and we're both bored out of our minds

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

i mean there are clearly some great ideas in this episode, but it's all executed with the usual lack of light/shade in the production and scripts full of *words* and one-dimensional doctor (now 100% predictably) anger-bumbling his way to saving the universe

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link

and of course the score telling us exactly what to feel at any given moment

see, right now the doctor's 7/8 theme is going so obv he has won

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link

i also hate daft punk and comedy

great wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link


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