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G4 still great for everyday stuff. I'm still reasonably happy with 500Mhz G3 for every day stuff (it won't play DIVX with audio and video in sync, and sometimes not at all). The idea that everyone needs a a G5/AMD64 class processor or even a P4 is simply ridiculous and has been for some years.

That box will do, mail, word processing, web, a wide spectrum of games (not 3d heavy obv), low end movie editing, compressing, watching, mid range photo editing, music making, and all sorts of other things admirably well. This is going to make a great (and great value) first or second computer for loads of people.

it is under rammed with RAM but then all Macs are and they'd be more expensive if they weren't. That's what crucial.com is for.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been playing around over at Dell and cannot for the life of me come up with a similarly outfitted system that competes with this, price/feature set wise. Am I just retarded?

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Get the internal Bluetooth upgrade and that would eliminate the need for at least one port as well--how many ports are you going to need if you can use Bluetooth for the mouse, keyboard, and printer?

don weiner, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I only want a G5 for bragging rights. OK maybe I'd do a bit more with it than with this G3, but more than a G4. The G3 is a bloody good chip. Altivec on a G4 still eats even SSE 3 for breakfast, it has more pipelines than a P4, execute more instructions per clock cycle and consumes a tiny amount of the power by comparison.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I am having a hard time believing only me and like 4 other people on the entire internet seem to have heard of these things called USB Hubs

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

very neat, but shouldn't there be more ins?

teeny, wouldn't you get more usb ins with the keyboard?

...and you can daisy chain firewire

xxx-post

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone else dying to break one of these open and see how they fit it all in? I can't even find out if it's using a 2.5" or 3.5"

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxxxpost,
I'm sure you can match the feature set at many different vendors, but certainly not the size. Also, it's difficult to determine which processor would be comparable.

That said, the mini is a giant step in the right direction pricewise.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn: if I had Mac versions of my music software I'd be ordering a mini right now.

Depending on the PC software you use, there might be crossgrade options. I'm pretty sure they had one for Cubase SX / Logic 5 PC users to move to Logic Pro 6 when it came out. Abelton offer a peridoc Acid to Live crossgrade as well.

Graeme (Graeme), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designhands20050111.gif

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designinsides20050111.jpg

I am just kind of amazed at the amount of what I see as complete ignorance and misunderstanding about these new products' capabilities and target market going on in the media. I guess it's typical tech-journo-not-getting-the-consumer-at-all assumptions about the users, or maybe I'm the fool here. From The Register:

Apple's new tiny solid-state iPod, the iPod Shuffle, is more of a curiosity. It weighs only one ounce and has no display, and is priced at $99 for 512MB or $149 for 1GB. Apple hopes that iTunes users will have a list of "today's favourites" which they'll want to take with them, but will change frequently. So 'iPod Cache' or 'iPod On The Go' are equally appropriate.


It's not a bad assumption, and it certainly makes sense to capitalize on both the iPod's name recognition, and Apple's own synchronization software, which is head and shoulders above its rivals. The risk is diluting the brand. The iPod earned its reputation by being the jukebox that carries all your music ("Five thousand songs in your pocket"), in comparison to low-cost, low-capacity flash players which only carry a few songs. Apple must be hoping that there's a substantial market of potential customers who'd like an iPod, but can't tell the difference between the two.

Uh, iTunes store? uh, AAC? uh, low cost flash players compatible with AAC/iTunes music store? Uh, lower price points boost market penetration/the iPod shuffle wipes out the last bastion of competition in the arena right now? FFS

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Lovely, Graeme, but that sounds suspiciously, umm, legal!

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

T-bot OTM re: ischaffel.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, who wants a Dell music player?

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

nobody. Not even the fucking president

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds suspiciously, umm, legal

Ah yes, there is that slight hiccup.

Graeme (Graeme), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I want all you Apple people to be honest here. Have you ever actually licked a Mac/iPod/etc???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, iTunes store? uh, AAC? uh, low cost flash players compatible with AAC/iTunes music store? Uh, lower price points boost market penetration/the iPod shuffle wipes out the last bastion of competition in the arena right now? FFS

The reason I will buy one is because the iPod (and even the mini) are not good for use when exercising. They are passable in the weight room but useless on a bike or running. And I don't need more than 100 songs to get a good workout in, even when I'm training for a marathon.

And frankly, the above reason is exactly why a lot of people buy flash-based players. A part of me would prefer a card-based iShufflePod, but it's a minor inconvenience. I'm pretty excited about it, actually. In fact, I'm not really sure that I'll be using my iPod that much after I buy an iShufflePod.

don weiner, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the workout factor is a big selling point for me.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

The idea that everyone needs a a G5/AMD64 class processor or even a P4 is simply ridiculous and has been for some years.

I totally agree w/ you Ed, but the idea that most folks can afford an AMD64 class machine if they have half an idea what they're doing building a system isn't ridiculous at all. Apple can't boast the same thing...

(I know, I know, broad generalization that really doesn't include laptops at all... Not considering Apple's target market, etc., etc.)

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(Then again even the AMD Athlon series chips can outperform a P4.)

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

As I said on the iSchaffel iShuffle thread that's brewing over on ILM, it's basically a USB memory stick with an MP3 player incorporated. It does not have to play in shuffle mode, and I could happily replace my (relatively) huge MP3 Discman with it.

Oh, and that Mac Mini, for what it is, looks pretty badass.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

it's basically a USB memory stick with an MP3 player incorporated

That's why I think it would be totally cool if they made just the little mp3 player with a USB jack on one end that could read file systems the same way an mp3 discman reads them off of a cdr. Cause then you'd at least have the option to use it as a front end for a very large USB hard drive or a tiny stick... It'd probably appeal to a lot more people if that were the case (and it would be EVEN SMALLER, which after all seems to be Mac's new reason to exist).

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(Not to mention the fact that Mac could then create several more "matched" products to go with it.)

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

g4 macmini doesn't make too much sense to me, they're kind of already obsolete don't you think?

Not at all. I know someone who was going to buy a cheapo Dell just for academic work that will now get one of the minis.

Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm just sayin'--imacs are already g5s!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Gator speaks! I knew this thread revival would draw him out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The 1.8GHz G5 iMac only outperforms the 1 GHz G4 by like 20% on operations that most users will never encounter.

The MacMini maxed out to 1GB of RAM will do everything most people need for years, even Photoshop and InDesign (etc.).

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Pages looks very cool. It looks like less of a work processor and more like a DTP package. Since leaving uni I've not needed MS word at all, just using TextEdit for Letters when they are needed, but Pages looks cool, even if I can't think of a use for 90% of it's features. May be useful for weaning suzy off MS word and the 99% of the features that she doesn't use.

Shame there's no spreadsheet though. It wouldn't have to be that advanced. Arithmetic and accounting functions only, no real need for geometric or statistical functions in a home spreadsheet.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

is there a feature that eliminates erroneous apostrophes?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to reach Ellen Fleiss, does anyone have contact information for her?

David M. Green, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm so in love with my new 12" powerbook. it's small and lovely and pretty and i want to hug it all the time, unlike my evildell that i hate and disliked from like two days after i got it.

just wanted to gush for a minute.

i also think the macmini and ipod shuffle are cool, and wish the shuffle came out this time last year, because i could have convinced work to buy it for me as a flash drive instead of the boring one that i got.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to reach Ellen Fleiss, does anyone have contact information for her?

Getting this joke, in 2005, is making me suicidal. Thanks. At least I didn't make it.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

hey folks, when can i expect to see a G5 powerbook and a G5 ibook????

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, that's weird, i just clicked on this thread to make a lame janie porsche joke.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

when can i expect to see a G5 powerbook and a G5 ibook?

Late 2005, I hear.

How much 64-bit software is out there so far? I know Photoshop... what else?

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

how late? i hope they come out before i go to school.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

How late it was, how late.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I want all you Apple people to be honest here. Have you ever actually licked a Mac/iPod/etc???

Ummmm...I french-kissed my Powerbook.

.adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

About 5 minutes ago.

.adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Please, please can everyone on this thread hands up who actually actively cares a fucking shit about AAC encoding besides Tom Millar? A quick check on soulseek reveals apparently four other people in the entire universe do, one of which is me cos I'm lazy and switched back to AAC encoding to prevent my boyfriend from losing his shit every time I emailed him a song file in MP3 format instead, so I don't count. I'm mainly just trying to settle a debate here about iPods, and unless there is pretty much NO cross pollination between filesharing program users and iPod freaks then I'm right about this, and this seems to be the best place in the UNIVERSE to double check.

People buy iPods for the same reason people shop at the GAP. It doesn't mean there is some inherent "I would like to use AAC encoding and purchase things at Apple Music Store" situation going on. Anyone who is actually thinking about this enough to think about THAT realizes they could easily convert the damn files back to MP3 format (including purchased ones, cos I've done it for someone). Just because they've got the stranglehold on the market doesn't excuse them from releasing a crappy product with no fucking screen on it that only comes in the world's ugliest color besides, say, brown, anymore than market stranglehold excuses Starbucks for that "drinking chocolate" nonsense they've suddenly started in with.

I would purchase an iPod if it came in any colors besides "el gayo" though, that's really my problem with it.

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

not much to bitch about in DC, AK?

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and Spencer I'm licking my laptop RIGHT NOW.

xpost hahaha Mod J you know I'm bitching about this to prevent myself from the horror of actually going walking around DC.

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom and I, we should go for a drink sometime.

.adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I give a shit about AAC over Mp3, but I'm already proven lame anyway.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

lame mp3 destroys aac!

(sorry ally)

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

They are passable in the weight room but useless on a bike or running.

I hear this a lot, but I run with mine (20gb) all the time and have never had a problem. What supposedly happens?

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

chafing.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh by the way, does anyone know if there's a a way to switch between my desktop pc and this minimac (using the same periphs) w/o unplugging and plugging back into the other machine? I think I would get a minimac if I could switch between the two quickly.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I drop mine in the weight room all the time but as long as one of those dumb high school kids doesn't step on it...

.adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, I brought my frigging walkman into the weight room all the time, and running, you need to buck up, little adam.

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link


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