HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

what if he teams up with CSI william petersen for a crossover, now that i would watch

although i always liked the theory that CSI petersen was the same character as in manhunter but older and mellower

well, obviously

i've seen red dragon more recently than manhunter so i'm drawing from that but isn't o.g. will's thing not so much that he's a profiler w/ magical empathic capabilities but that he is the profile to a degree? he doesn't have to imagine what it's like to be motivated by envy, covetousness or contempt; it's just below the surface and he just has to let go of the controls just a little bit. like he's stuck in a luke skywalker moment every day of his life where he has to actively choose between oppositional forces because they have equal valence.

I watched the first two eps last night and really enjoyed them! Not the greatest thing ever but I don't really watch any procedurals so I'm happy to have this one.

It's an international co-production so NBC will make all the episodes of the first season order and will air them (they're actually very good for that, Do No Harm excepted). It saw a ratings uptick from week one to week two (take it with a pinch of a salt as it was up against repeats for ep 2) but it was also the best ratings they've had in the Thursday 10pm timeslot in a year (since the premiere of Awake, which dropped off quite severely in it's second week).

I have enough trust in Bryan Fuller that I think this'll be worth the investment in whatever short first season this has got. I actually like Hugh Dancy in this, which surprised me.

The ratings for week two was really encouraging! Everything NBC has put in this timeslot since 2009 has failed completely, so being flat in week two is no small feat! If it stays like this, they could quite conceivably renew this for a second season, since the chance of something else doing better is very, very low. I really, really want Bryan Fuller to have some kind of succes. He was fired from Dead Like Me, so so far his longest running series is 22 episodes of Pushing Daisies...

the chance of something else doing better is very, very low

irrelevant, this is nbc

ok so am I watching this or not

ilx convince me

watch it imo

i hope thats convincing

SOLD

lol

Mushroom corpses

seconded, it's not top tier great but it's very good and seems fairly different for a network drama, closer to something like zodiac than dexter (nowhere near as good as zodiac obv just in line w/ fincher saying that w/ zodiac he wanted to make a serial killer movie that serial killer's wouldn't like, an anti-se7en), show is aware that murder is horrible and devestating. lecter is recognizably lector w/o owing any clear debt to hopkins at all.

that last part is otm and key for me - mikkelson's lector is really enjoyable, and i thought i was beyond tired of the character. i havent watched the 2nd ep yet tho

okay I'm double sold now

Best horror show to grave tv in maybe ever?

best that's not an anthology series maybe, i was impressed w/ how effective it was as horror though. there was a scene in the last ep where they peel that body's face off in the mushroom field and i thought 'wow, that was on network tv'.

I was at dinner today and mushrooms were served and I don't think I realized how much this episode affected me until then. I felt so ill.

I don't think it is a great series after 2 eps, but it is still early days and I like the aesthetic. Mads seems a bit on autopilot and maybe it should be a lot better, but it is still better than your average tv series right now. The human organ/food thing that is creeping in is very unsettling. If Dexter doesn't get it's act together this could be it's displacer.

Dexter's sucked for years

I'm really liking this so far. Something about the cast and the combination of understated but effective horror (stuff like Will hallucinating the enormous stag in the hospital, or the semi-alive mushroom victim that they somehow refrained from staging with a big music sting and shock cut) and low-key ugh I hate this word but it fits "quirkiness" is really doing it for me. Are all of Fuller's shows this appealing?

Oh, and the breakfast scramble Hannibal was serving up in episode 2 looked amazing. Does that make me a bad person?

On second viewing: the stag had mushrooms covering it?

Are all of Fuller's shows this appealing?

I think so, but keep in mind that Hannibal is darker and less humorous than his previous shows. I would say Pushing Daisies would be the one to watch if you like Hannibal, although it is much goofier and sweeter.

Okay so NBC wasn't cool with dead children so they've skipped Episode 4 altogether (in other countries the whole episode will be online), but they've handily put up the scenes from it that are arc-heavy online so we're not all behind: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/controversial-hannibal-episode-gets-sliced-into-webisodes

Because lol NBC

It is ridiculous, already watched some web rips of ep 4 which don't contain any of the contentious plot and then into ep 5 where SA Will Graham is extra fucked up but we have missed out why he is more fucked up than usual. Silly NBC ....

pilot was pretty good. i wonder if the 'following' people are watching and feeling embarrassed.

they sure should be

wow, didn't realize this was from the guy who created 'wonderfalls.' i rewatched that show last year and it still holds up.

Caroline Dhavernas is in this

I am still annoyed that they pulled ep 4. When it is just an ott fictional series about serial killers, someone in the USA is always going to be feeling raw about murder on any given week. This series is just starting to roll good as well, fucking NBC idiots.

i'm hopeful that a copy of the pulled ep will end up online, since they're reportedly not pulling it from overseas markets? of course, i don't know when these overseas markets will air it either.

oh, according to tumblr, the pulled ep airs next week (4/30) overseas. i might wait to download that and then watch tonight's.

yeah i'll just wait myself. apparently the pulled ep was one they didn't even screen for critics so i'm guessing they were already crazy squeamish and then the bombings tipped the scales. apparently no real plans to air in the us at all?

according to that article i linked up there, Deadline reported that it was going to be pulled before the bombings. who knows? Maybe Molly Shannon isn't a good serial killer. I'll be fine with just watching the important serialized bits they put online.

this last episode was really grotesque. sort of can't believe they're showing things like this on network tv.

yeah i got the willies from those "angel wings"

the unaired ep is now floating around online (doing a tumblr tag search for "hannibal" shows at least one d/l link).

ty

wait, there's no download links on tumblr. you tricked me

google hannibal s01e04

sheesh you amateur

I think it's a con, not really leaked

could be just the ~20 mins that were cut into webisodes?

yeah, the torrents are just the "webisode" version ripped

well it DOES exist somewhere, as my sister downloaded it and i've watched it. i'll ask her where she found it

here, i think this tumblr links to a streaming version, it's got subtitles but it's still got the english dialogue

http://hanniballecters.tumblr.com/post/49154688686/stream-hannibal-ep-4-full

hmm ok

ahhh this show is so GROSS but i love it.

i need to rewatch the pilot because i don't really remember how hannibal came to be so intimately involved with all these people's lives. like, as far as i can tell everyone just seems to like hanging out with him? which is hilarious and charming actually, and it allows him to do boundary-pushing shit like check abigail out of the hospital and they just go "oh hannibal, you rapscallion."

He's presumably there to be Will's therapist but also report back to Crawford whether or not Will is suitable for field work. There was also the implication that Crawford thinks Will might be capable of murder, and Hannibal's supposed to alert him if that seems to be the case.

But yeah, the entire setup is pretty lolsy wolf-in-sheep's-den stuff

I have a few days left of my free Hulu Plus trial, I'm gonna give this a try

*narrows eyes* it better be good

Do it!

On a related note I am a little sad because it's been getting abysmal ratings and is likely to be cancelled. Otoh it is NBC so who knows.

Mary Capybara-Cooper

Helen Birdbath, Forensic Investigator

Esp since I heard (a long while back) that Fuller was maybe looking at Saoirse Ronan as his Clarice

I mean

CANT YOU JUST GIVE US THIS

lmao "helen birdbath"

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https://www.vulture.com/article/mads-mikkelsen-in-conversation.html

After The Hunt, you did Hannibal, Bryan Fuller’s NBC show about Dr. Lecter and his relationship with FBI agent Will Graham. What made you say “Yes” to a network TV show in the U.S.?
Yeah, how did that come around? We had just been successful in Cannes with The Hunt. And then my agent talked about Bryan Fuller — “this genius” she called him — and said I should have a look at it. At first, I was like, “Oh, God, Anthony Hopkins. That’s just a no-go.” He did it to perfection. Then I had a meeting with Bryan Fuller and he pitched the first season. And I was just like, This is absolutely nothing like the film. This is a different animal. I was one out of three or four actors they were considering. I was really reluctant to do that. I don’t like castings. Nobody likes castings. “Come on guys, either you want me or not.” But we did a couple of scenes, me and Hugh Dancy, and I think we had a great chemistry in that awkward way it was supposed to be.

Did you see his relationship with Hugh Dancy’s character, Will, as a romance?
Yeah, but not necessarily something that would become physical.

The murder of Francis Dolarhyde (played by Richard Armitage) is the consummation in some ways.
And also cannibalism, obviously. This is the ultimate way to love someone in his world, to eat them — right? We actually did a couple of takes of the very last scene where we were looking at each other, and it was a little too obvious — it was almost a kiss. Me and Hugh were like, “Why not? We have a couple of takes. Let’s do one. It might be cool.”

Did you kiss?
No, we didn’t. Never went for the kiss. Bryan loved it, but he was like, “Too much, guys. It’s too obvious.” And he was absolutely right. But I think we were just stuck on that. And a lot of the Fannibals wanted it as well. It’s been a subject of homoerotic fan art. And for good reason, because they are so united as twins in many ways. But we never wanted it to be a physical thing. It was something much bigger than that.

What were the discussions of the season-three ending like?
It had to be that they managed to kill someone together and both have the same sensation. Finally, I got him. Finally, Will Graham is me. They are inseparable at that point. We also knew that that was not the ending. We knew that there was a fourth season. We had something more up the sleeve, but then it didn’t happen. It was such a surprise to all of us because we did not have great numbers the first season, so we thought that was it. But we got saved and got a second season. And then in the third season we had much greater numbers. So we thought it was a given we would continue. And it didn’t happen.

Talk of a fourth season has gone away, but would you still do it to end the show in the way you envisioned?
Yes. The work itself was brutal because we had long hours, with scripts coming in late. It’s TV, and what we were doing was elaborate. The texts were high-IQ texts. The monologues or the dialogues were always about fine art, music. You had to learn Japanese, Hungarian, and words you had simply never heard before. And you had to do it within two hours because everything came so late. Having said that, I would love to go back. Everybody wants to go back, and if there’s only one season and we’re sure about that, he can finish it in a proper, surprising, stunning way.

It’s still such an improbable show in so many ways because it was on NBC.
Exactly. And I’ve been wondering if we had been on some other platform and could do whatever we wanted, would we have gone more for the graphic stuff and forgotten some of the poetry? Maybe it was a good thing we had to hold back. It served the show really well that we didn’t go full-blast Walking Dead on it.

that interview rules. love me some mads

he calls them Fannibals <3

just a little smooch, for the fans

Hero.

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watching for the third time, still the only good tv show

mid-season two when chilton's about to get framed by hannibal and he's running to jack like "i am trying to remain alive" is when he becomes the best character in the show, fucking hilarious

Otm

I think I watched a few eps of this when it first came out but it got too gory and I quit. But I’ve started from the beginning this week and while it’s entertaining, some things are really annoying e.g. the Angel Maker: how tf could he skin his own back, suspend the wings, tie his feet together AND suspend his whole body from the ceiling??? Also they repeatedly talk about the Hobbs’ victims all being identical to his daughter (even after he’s killed) because they all have brown hair, pretty, etc., and they all have brown eyes but his daughter’s eyes are blue???

Some of the dialog is corny af, like trying to sound poetic or something but more just overwrought cringe.

the dialogue just gets more ott, steel yourself