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they also invented ironic racism

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don't know about diversifying to music 5 years ago...they've had a label and been doing shows and whatnot since the early 00s.

i knew they were doing shows as a marketing thing but didn't notice the label until late 00's

vice put out the lol streets first album in america iirc

right you are, as an imprint. the successful push to internet is when i started paying closer attention to them as a music entity.... though i suppose they were the cats doing 77 boadrums back in the day. /critic forgetfulness

yeah i noticed them as a label when they did the US release of Seadrum/House of Sun (2004?) and came closest to having affection for them when they helped with Boadrum.

i remember about a dozen homunculus dudes skittering about at that show with animal masks and hand held cameras; i think that was vice

it was one of the best live things ever on a lot of levels

vice is p troubling in a lot of ways obviously but when comparing them to mtv or mens/lad mags they're the lesser of several evils imo

man, i dunno about that
http://pastehtml.com/view/c68p9j892.html

btw i don't even know what vice is, am i bad at the internet

You'd have known about it if you were on ILX ca. 2004-06.

Five years ago, we did a two-page spread on how Project USA’s Craig Nelson was brave enough to take on America’s seriously damaged immigration policies. (We are immigrants ourselves and were therefore not the least bit afraid of being blackballed as “anti-immigrant.”) The responses were hysterical. Formerly loyal readers called for boycotts. They annoyed our advertisers with silly rhetoric and called us racists. Needless to say, we were shocked. Like Toby Young in How to Lose Friends and Alienate People or Peter Brimelow in Alien Nation, we were new immigrants who couldn’t understand why Americans were so determined to favor PC posturing over simple facts. Immigration is out of hand, and it’s only going to get worse. Where were the young conservatives to come to our defense? Was the dumb community in control of the entire country?

Two years later, we ran an article on an artist who painted women with incredibly large rear ends. Gay men and straight women found the depictions revolting. Straight men loved it. In the article, the writer went so far as to blame the heavy concentration of gays in the magazine world for brainwashing women into thinking men don’t want them to be at least a little bit porky. He talked about how men bought more hair products than women last year and how heavy grooming like hair dying, chest waxing, and even eyebrow plucking have become de rigueur for straight men. He claimed the gay community had “recreated straights in their own image.” Predictably, our readers were outraged. But something was different this time. On our Web site’s message boards, advocates of the Right started to appear. For every three people who called the article homophobic, there was at least one saying, “What about the part where it’s true? Isn’t that worth something?”—a comment that beautifully sums up the difference between liberals (equality first, truth last) and conservatives (truth first, everything else second).

point taken but micinnes in 2013 =! vice in 2013

god that guy is such a POS

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I think Vice has gotten more canny about not being so open about their immensely shitty mission, lowest common denominator trolling and purely capitalist motives but not much has changed in their coverage or approach. i find the website painful these days, the Girls schtick with dunham trying to write for blogs about her heroin use and fucking teenagers is clearly lifted from vice culture. they do still occasionally eke out some legit journalism so i'll try the show but they're just so often repugnant

er cocaine use, whatevs

ya i mean he does not work for them anymore FWIW

yeah all i'm saying is let me know the next time mtv arranges a boredoms performance that morbius gets sunburnt waiting in line for

he used to write like the entire magazine

Before the nyer article all i knew of Vice was the cover of a book i used to see displayed in "staff picks" sections of bookstores 10 years ago. I think it had a white guy with a fro and gold teeth on the cover. That and on ile threads when someone would say "i hate linking to vice but..."

the more up to date critique of vice, as outlined in the nyer piece, is that theyre basically just a an advertising firm

some of their video stuff is pretty cool, tho i think its better understood as travel documentary than journalism

There's this real lame "we're just putting it out there, maaaaaaan" aspect to what they do, which I find tends to severely undercut even the stuff of theirs that has merit. Also, I never thought what travel shows and investigative journalism needed was a dose of the Xtreme or other Jackass!-ery.

^ this. pretty much the only worthwhile part of the enterprise in 2013 are the travel vids. xp

what travel shows need is exactly a dose of jackassery!

did u see the mormons fighting the drug cartels one?

no that sounds good tho!

i mean maybe not exactly jackassery but at least like a little bit of real people seeing real things, usual travel shows are just like this boring narration and some smiling person being all look we took a plane to a waterfall, doesnt at all capture the vibe of traveling, vice may be a little douche (tho not always) but they def come closer to some sort of travel verisimilitude

the japanese suicide forest one was obv exploitative but really fascinating and touching too

ladies and gentlemen, the target audience

lol forks media critic

lol u feeling the need to get defensive about the stuff you claim to like

jeez forks i just think your media criticism is funny

if anyone doesn't want to check out the vice travel videos bc gr8080, lag00n and i give considered praise for them, i think that's legit. i certainly don't think my taste in media jibes w/ everyone

japanese suicide forest sounds extremely interesting to me tho, and i will check it out now

brb starting a media company w/ lagoon and mordy

forks standby for the press release

1080p HD is sweet too

let's do it guys

1st order of business hire forks as public editor

forks i'm gonna need 700 words on spring breakers by 4:30 pm get to it

i'm pretty excited for the HBO series actually.

brb, cutting and pasting "horseshit" 700 times

feel like youll prob want to work 'white western male privilege' in there somewhere

enjoy what you wanna enjoy, i genuinely think you guys ARE the target audience
me, not so much anymore. ahma go throw some ceramics

goodnight sweet prince

u might like this video they did on anarchist pottery throwers

lol

Like, it's not enough that they go to Chernobyl. They have to do it drunk.