Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

IT'S BEEN LOOOOONG ROAD
GETTIN FROM THERE TO HERE

CAUSE I'VE GOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAITH OF THE HEART

btw the theme song to Enterpise is written by Diane Warren, the same songwriter that brought us the theme song to Armageddon (as performed by Aerosmith)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yijcWsLda8

it could only have been made better if she'd have teamed up with Desmond Child and sent into Cher JUST LIKE JESSE JAMES territory. but that would have been too much awesome for one theme song.

apparently she has written eighty billion songs, most with a similar sentiment or tone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Diane_Warren

this is the worst fucking opening of any fucking star trek series, ever

btw she wrote that Cher song, assuming you knew that, but stating it for others in the audience who have no idea wtf it is

it's bad, but in a really awesome way. let's be clear.

The thing about Enterprise is that Scott Bakula is terrible in it.

Half of his delivery is as stilted as a middle school thespian giving sincere, over enunciated first line readings of the drama club's fall production of Our Town.

All ST series are worthy of watching all the way though. Except for the original series.

did you hear the throwaway line in the Abrams ST movie where they implied Scott teleported Bakula's character's dog into oblivion

*Scotty

Porthos noooo! He was my favorite character on Enterprise.

well, they said a beagle and he was "Commander" Archer, so unless dog lifespans have significantly advanced, it was probably Porthos 2

that spock lady's catsuit got a bit much after the initial O_O wore off

AllNo ST series are worthy of watching all the way though. Except for the original series.

― Jeff, Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:51 AM (2 hours ago)

fixed.

the engineer on enterprise is pretty good

the show's not terrible

Definition of disappointment: the little leap in my brain when I see "Star Trek" while channel hopping and then the fall when I see ": Enterprise".

I can't remember the theme to Enterprise, when I try to think of it I just get I DON'T WANNA WAIT. FOR OUR LIIIIVES TO BE OVEEEEER.

Voyager was my ST show of choice back when it was on and I was passing into and through my teens, when I've seen it more recently good GOD is it ever boring.

enterprise theme changed, didn't it, between seasons? think it was jel, late of this parish, that pointed this out. both were awful.

voyager had some great standalone episodes. enterprise fell into the time-travel trap, backwards and forwards until all but the kind of fanboys that take notes during episodes couldn't keep up with it.

If it changed, it changed from awful song to another awful version of the same awful song.

I remember when it first aired and being pretty psyched about it and the theme song coming on and Jeff and I just looking at each other like, "What the fuuuuuck is this shit?" Anyway, I agree that overall it's not terrible, but I probably spent equal time making fun of it as just watching it. I mean, who the fuck comes to a brand new planet and just plops down in a runabout and lets his idiot Beagle run wild, shitting invasive new bacteria all over the place? The runabout lifts off, screen says "Three months later...," and the planet is a barren wasteland.

tbf, Star Trek seems to assume that bacterial epidemiology ain't no thang once you discover warp drives.

Enterprise made a big deal about decontaminating everybody coming back on the ship. I think a couple of episode A stories were about people nearly dying in the decon chamber. But that was obviously a ploy to have somebody rub blue gel all over T'Pol's mostly naked body.

xp panspermia hypothesis reduced down to a small dog taking a leak all over loads of planets

carl agatha has a good understanding of the scriptwriting dynamic of early Enterprise right there

I stopped watching it when it originally aired because I couldn't cope with all that sexist claptrap. I mean, 7 of 9 was totally T&A fanservice but she was a great character with awesome backstory and a nice development arc and I don't recall her spending a lot of time in her underwear. When we eventually watched the whole show, I felt like the Tucker/T'Pol love interest sub plot offered some context for all of the decon gel massages happening, and T'Pol's character development (despite Jolene Blalock confusing "stoic" for "mumbling all her lines") gave her more depth, but it was still pretty bad.

But that was obviously a ploy to have somebody rub blue gel all over T'Pol's mostly naked body.

And Trip's mostly naked body.

Also, lol @ the Vulcan neuro pressure sessions because trip couldn't sleep. And T'Pol in her ridic pajamas.

I'm sure that made some people very happy.

http://mahlia.id.au/me/entandportraittattoos03.jpg

xp haha yes, her fucking mid-riff pajama tops. Wtf, T'Pol, those are not logical.

Half of his delivery is as stilted as a middle school thespian giving sincere, over enunciated first line readings of the drama club's fall production of Our Town.

Bakula was doing Dubya

That tattoo makes the Enterprise look like it was put in a microwave for 30 seconds

Have any of you watched the "Phase II" stuff?

reading about it now, that sounds kind of awesome!

never knew about the original 'phase ii' series that they were going to make in the '70s, kinda sorry they never filmed any of that.

How are the books? Still see tons of 'em, some by writers good in non-Trek contexts.

Watched a little bit of two of the Phase II episodes on Youtube. The acting and the way the dialogue was recorded are both kind of questionable, but the sets and effects are pretty cool and definitely look like The Original Series. Think some of the scripts were later adapted for The Next Generation.

They even put the old NBC peacock logo at the beginning as if it were 1966 all over again.

And short blackouts where the commercials would have gone.

As well as guest appearances by various actors who appeared in memorable roles in TOS.

How are the books? Still see tons of 'em, some by writers good in non-Trek contexts.

I love the relaunch novels so much - http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Relaunch_Novels_-_Timeline.

I skipped around at first (Destiny trilogy - amazing, and a couple about the Department of Temporal Investigations, which were fun) then started reading from the beginning (up to Hollow Men now) and I'm a huge fan.

Gonna send u questions some day

Me? Okay! I will answer them.

I remember reading in '77-78 that there was going to be a revived ST series, but had no idea things got so far along.

I think only two of these New Voyages scripts came from the original Phase II project the rest are new. They had an old Norman Spinrad script they tried to film but permission was yanked.

Watched this one last night, "Enemy: Starfleet!" and it was pretty good, featuring Kirk's girlfriend from "Mirror, Mirror" in a big role.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ncYhAlbAw

Just watched this one, "World Enough And Time" and it was awesome. All kinds of classic TOS tropes touched on and a great big part for George Takei as Sulu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4TC5wl0IzE

OK, just tried to watch the animated series as well with all of the original cast except Walter Koenig, whose character was replaced by some kind of alien, but I couldn't get past the cheesy visuals, plus the music was all wrong, cop-show baritone sax stuff.

The guy who plays Kirk in New Voyages/Phase II who bought the TOS costumes and blueprints, built the sets and made it all happen is also an Elvis impersonator. He is basically some kind of alien himself from the Vic Tayback planet of copycats.

Which means he has done something else incredible- wait for it- he has met both D J and D C Fontana.

Episode with Walter Koenig reprising Chekhov not as good.

Best of Both Worlds screening tonight!

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Carl and I are waiting for it to start!