a good friend of mine attended in either 2008 or 2009 when it was in chicago
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
was it remarkable in any way from other tech confs? i think the perl one takes place on a boat
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
that "everybody knows an Adria Richard article" is vile
― the late great, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
**makes sexual jokes within earshot of dozens of people** THIS IS A PRIVATE CONVERSATION
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
xp: I think I got about halfway through it before I just couldn't take any more; I really felt like I needed a shower
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
I don't remember any particular issues with presentations or audiences that he mentioned, although we did briefly talk about one of the attendees he recognized -- she wasn't presenting, but I thought it was cool that he was at the conference since I'd used some sites she'd developed. Unfortunately, a lot of articles at the time were fond of dropping her dating history in. Definitely a sexist angle, but that wasn't really anything to do with the conference.
There was a craft brew (lol) party at the conference, I think.
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I guess a certain website was overdocumenting her for a bit: http://gawker.com/leah-culver/
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
what the hell
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
(btw the writing and gossip involved in all this is about ten times more disgusting than dongle jokes)
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
I mean that article stops just short of baldly stating "woman tricks men into coding for her using her vagina"
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
gross
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
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― Heyman (crüt), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this, this, this. Dongle jokes -- crossing a line, inappropriate, makes people feel uncomfortable, shouldn't be done. The stuff being written about Richards, otoh, evinces such shockingly virulent misogyny that it only drives home why she felt compelled to do what she did.
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
I think the wider angle was mostly "average programmer (because women can't be good at that, right) makes good business deals because she's dating tech scene dudes" which is straight-up bullshit because friends-of-friends in that scene help each other launch all kinds of crap all the time. But she's a woman, etc.
Sorry to track on to this from the pycon thing -- pycon was totally boring when my friend was there. Except the free beer.
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
btw I was referencing the article I linked when I said writing and gossip, not the events of 2013
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
also let's talk for a second about how a Gawker writer doing a hit piece on a woman who dated a former Gawker editor is not at all sketchy/suspect
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
ah ok. well what I said stands anyway.
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
I've met a few misogynist coders in my time. My company got rid of them as soon as they could. It sounds like this is what happened to the 'jokesters'. Chances are good the company knew they were shitheads, already wanted to fire them and saw their chance.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
If she doesn't want to be famous, Culver might want to take a look at her relentless technosexuality, which more than hints at the acquisition of influence rather than intimacy as its goal.
I love how techno sexuality just links to another list of dudes she's dated.
Is it sexist to point this out? Perhaps, but not nearly as sexist as touting technical skills while sleeping your way to the top.
Everything about this article is truly disgusting.
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
relentless
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
it's really frustrating how the anti-adria-richards forces have managed to completely distort the facts of the case. i think it's been stated more than once on this thread that the two dudes were NOT having a private conversation that richards overheard (which, yes, would have been bad enough). she had turned around to talk to one of them and his friend (the guy who ultimately got fired) butted in with dongle jokes. she tried to redirect the conversation and he ignored her. that's when she got pissed.
― 1staethyr, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
I'm just glad that anonymous over at gawker had the courage to call this woman out on her sexism.
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
My understanding of the order of events based on both her the fired dude's words is that she was talking to one dude about dissatisfaction with a portion of the keynote talk and the guy who got fired butted in with the forking joke, which caused her to disengage; dude then went on to make the dongle jokes after she had bailed on the conversation (during the segment of the presentation when the speaker was talking about making tech more accessible/open to women).
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
So many words written about events that took place in less than two minutes
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
Big Time Technosexuality
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
straight-up bullshit because friends-of-friends in that scene help each other launch all kinds of crap all the time. But she's a woman, etc.
can I just otm this 6000 times over? the amount of backslapping, linking, retweeting, funding, plug-your-site-if-you'll-plug-mine, talk-at-your-conference-if-you'll-do-x-for-me that goes on between guys, and the second a woman is involved it's like "ohhh, geek slut everyone! look at the evil calculating bitch taking advantage with her mysterious woman ways which surely involve sex!"
(I think I've said before that I only realised years after dropping out of CS that all the guys were hanging out in each other's dorm rooms talking about assignments all the time, but the second a girl asks a question everyone says "look at that dumb bitch, fluttering her eyelashes so everyone else does her work for her" etc. and it doesn't seem to stop a decade after everyone's left university)
― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
"forking joke"
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
What ultimately protects all these sexist shitheads is that they have specific technical skills that are in demand. If they are good enough coders someone will always hold their nose and hire them. This gives them a sense of protection, so they feel free to expose their vileness in public. They eventually believe that their coding skill and ability to find work proves their superiority and validates their stupidest ideas and beliefs.
P.S. Most of them are libertarians.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
Wait was the guy who got fired Johnny dangerously?
― pandemic, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
aimless, that seems to apply to most intrinsic or specialised skills. i'm thinking about athletes.
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
also musicians, and bankers, and chefs, and lawyers, and businessmen, and suddenly it's starting to seem like this has nothing to do with "intrinsic or specialised skills"
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
I think most people are socially awkward when in situations outside of their normal sphere. It's just some people, through their personal lives or careers, have a wider range of social interaction.
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
who hires businessmen?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
other businessmen
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
more loathsome businessmen
― Heyman (crüt), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
senior businessmen
― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Why was the other guy fired (obv why was aria fired too)
― mister borges (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Why the other guy was fired:
http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
Briefly tossing in something new and unrelated here: http://gawker.com/5993482/university-billboard-celebrating-remarkable-women-features-three-grinning-guys
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
Thks, that covers both of em so?
― mister borges (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
omg Phil
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
l3ah c. was a notoriously notoriously incompetent person around tech. i hadn't seen those articles before, but i remember seeing links before the site was shut down where she was asking for help on her blog to do something like take the modulus of a number, but didn't know what that was or how to call it that and had come up with a terrible jury-rigged solution, and she was like 'lol, i'll learn to code some day guys!' there was also the story of a party where she sees someone's raid array and yells "oh, hot-swappable!" and before anyone can stop her, yanked out the drives, which were not at all 'hot-swappable' and caused this persons system to come to a screeching halt and destroyed lots of data that had to be restored from backups.
so the sexist stuff about her was not cool, but at the same point there was a general atmosphere of 'wtf how is this person the cto of a company'.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
darraghmac, only one of the guys from playhaven was fired. adria richards was fired because she "divided the same community she was supposed to unite"...
― 1staethyr, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
the story of a party where she sees someone's raid array and yells "oh, hot-swappable!" and before anyone can stop her, yanked out the drives, which were not at all 'hot-swappable' and caused this persons system to come to a screeching halt and destroyed lots of data that had to be restored from backups.
OK this is amazing.
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
Her being fired is obv ludicrous, i just didnt want to be mentioning only the guy tbh
― mister borges (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
also musicians, and bankers, and chefs, and lawyers, and businessmen, and suddenly it's starting to seem like this has nothing to do with "intrinsic or specialised skills"― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, April 3, 2013
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
lmao at the "hot-swappable" story
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
she took the post down but it wasn't about modulus of a number, but rounding to the nearest half:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=104164
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
Wow, so is it common to know this much detail about project managers & developers?
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
lead dev/cto/founder of an internet startup that had some heat for a moment. lots of stories tended to fly around about ppl. like that during the web booms, especially when they were like active bloggers in social media, speaking at conferences, etc.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link