The Shining

The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie

There's that one website that did an exhaustive scene-by-scene depiction of it, which follows this train of thought, and has been posted many times on this thread, probably 2 or 3 times by me, so i'd feel embarrassed about posting it again. I think the site that hosted it was called 'mastermind' or something...

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1729_10151547696865600_1549660818_n.jpg

xp the doc refers to a msg board poster named mastrmind who declined to be interviewed. thats the jumping off pt for the superimposition stuff

oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t

OMG YES

that's really cool

u guys don't think Ascher wants you to accept evrything put forth in the film, now do ya

no.

he's a filmmaker not a schoolteacher iirc.

He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.

oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t

Jack's not even making the right hand gestures tho

actually that photo is Jack's head superimposed onto an actual vintage photograph, believe it or not.

http://media-cache-ec6.pinterest.com/192x/c5/97/fd/c597fd4611dc82a636d349228c94f918.jpg

actually actually!

literally actually

actually for real in actuality!

BAAAAAAAALSHIT

that's Baphomet, not Baal bro.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8xwa5GVsR3NqYPRYULOOHATcczOulgzJX13h6qN1QCXAyoDOykQ

jk who cares

you are one of them aren't you
you're one of the nonbelievers
you probably worship baphomet
and judd apatow

He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.

― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, April 1, 2013 7:13 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lolling at this

rm 237 hit a lil too close to home for me as a lit major

I loved it. Would watch again.

Hadn't realised King hated Kubrick's version until I read a Guardian piece on filmed adaptations of books that was in the Guardian Review a week or so back. Said there was an interesting film called Room 237 looking at how people dealt with flaws in the film.

I'm having trouble with the Guardian website's search engine so can't find the article there. Hate that website's navigation have never been able to find things easily on it.

actually it's here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/06/king-kubrick-shining-adaptation
which I just found manually. Didn't turn up as search engine had Stephen King or Kubrick entered though & i think the search engine which they're looking for feedback on just stopped working while I'd been looking for it. Ferfuxsake

& I hadn't seen that that film was already being discussed, but the rest of taht article is interesting anyway. Written by the guy who wrote the novel Submarine that Ayoade's film was based on. Covers the changes in The Graduate and various other well known films too.

actually I'd assumed that Room 237 was an older film that might be well known to some, so wasn;t that surprised thatit was being taked about here. I mainly lost my own thread cos I was having such a hard time finding the article on the Guardian website.

That search engine sucks, I thoughtit might be cos I'd made several searches on book adaptation before enetering Stephen king but it still didn't show taht when I went back and enetered Stephen King asa fresh search, went into loads of other things before that which is from last week so likely to be the first thing people would be looking for with the search engine isn't it?

ilx has a search engine too

get it togetehr man

who are you talking to? I went to add the link to this thread because the thread was up active on the days current page. I'd just read the article a few days earlier so thought other people might be interested in reading it, but thanks to the lousy search engine not working properly I spent ages trying to find the entry I was looking for. Then only to discover it actually had the name Stephen King one of the search terms I was looking for directly in its title. Thanks to having to spend time trying to do that I lost thread of comment I was also going to add

So why would I need to find a search engine to look up the thread that was near the top of the page which was why I was adding to it. It looked from the article as though Room 237 was a documentary from a few years back that was being referred to.

So get what together?

all of *waves hand upward* that

I saw "Room 237", and it was OK. About a third of the commentators just sort of annoyed me and the pacing was quite off. Near the start there are sequences where the movie is played in super slow motion while someone awkwardly describes what is going on onscreen before describing crossfades that make complete sense as standard techniques you would use if you know anything about editing. Though yes the Hitler stash was funny. But I feel like the most compelling stuff was the Native American narrative, which was in here but chopped up among other things. Maybe i wish they had taken 3 major themes and studied them in order, rather than sort of jumping between them. It certainly would have helped build the case for each section. I can't believe nobody analyzing it for Nazi references didn't point out the red doors looking like the big red Nazi flag while 3 minutes were spent watching luggage being brought in in super slow motion.

Production value on this was pretty damn good! Plenty of times I wanted to know the name of the movies they were showing inbetween all the Kubrick footage, and the motion-tracked TV-swaps were always spot-on and looked really cool. Again, the commentators sometimes got on my nerves and I wished they had just hired a voice over actor to read all the stuff. Then again this movie is about how different people each bring a unique perspective so it probably would have lost some of that.

The moon landing thing was cool, but too short! Gimme more! Was kind of hoping they'd delve into 2001 at this point, do more front-projection analysis, etc. That image of cities on the moon? WTF? That was so great!! Where is that from?

LOL @ referencing Physical Cosmologies. Still my favorite Shining resource. The forwards-backwards part was pretty amazing. I'd heard about it when it came out and it sounded sort of cool but sort of gimmicky and dumb, but now I really want to see it!

"Room 237" was a good time and next time I was "The Shining" I'll probably have to keep a notepad by my side. Can't wait to see it again and watch for all the cool new stuff this has made me aware of.

I couldn't have been less interested in a "case-building" approach. This film works if you believe that it's all horseshit.

Oh yeah the part where the lady is going on about the guy with the split head and the big reveal is that her kid told her a story that involved a guy w a split head, and an axe, and all that. Well, it would make sense, if you are rewatching "The Shining" over and over, that your kid is going to pick up on the imagery!

Really i kinda want a full KUBRICK DID THE MOON LANDING documentary.

http://store.sacredmysteriesmarketplace.com/kubrick-s-odyssey-part-1-dvd.html

Hardly surprising that there'll be no ding dong tbf.

I couldn't have been less interested in a "case-building" approach. This film works if you believe that it's all horseshit.

― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, April 15, 2013 11:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

totally otm

in facts it works BETTER

yeah morbs otm

Speaking as someone that's in the doc, I see it as in impressionistic document of the Kubrick research subculture. No conclusions, but that's not what the doc intended. For "case building" seek out, the many self-made youtube docs out there. What's funny about all the extreme reactions to the POVs in the film, is that, in the context of Shining research at large, they are among the more mainstream, reasonable approaches (even Weidner!)
The really crazy people didn't make the cut!
I know that all of the narrators in the film enjoyed the finished product, and are all kind of surprised by the negative reaction by some of the audience ... just goes to show that different people can see the same thing very differently. Such is ambiguity!

okay, so were you the moon landing guy

i agree with SD, the film works best if you approach the theories a ride you allow yourself to go along on as long as possible until you circle back and realize "oh god i'm in too deep, how far back was the last logical argument, where am i even anymore"

and "will i ever be able to watch a movie the same way ever again"

xp: lawls, I'm the forwards/backwards guy with the screaming kid who says "like" all the time.

but siriusly ... http://kdk12.tumblr.com/private/40157429425/tumblr_mdm1mzJlgC1qjt9ph

ohhhh. good work with forward backwards show, that was a definite high point.

yeah i big upped you way up thread -- srsly my favorite part of the film

For the record, I was the moon landing guy

I am the minotaur fwiw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q