The Pet Shop Boys' first twenty singles...

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also, this one occurred to me today while I was driving in listening to a mix i'd made sometime a while back:

Cry To Me
Dreamin'
Hit And Run
It's Getting Stronger
Runaway
Catch Me On The Rebound
That's What You Said
The Greatest Performance Of My Life
Relight My Fire
Love Sensation
Seconds
I've Been Loving You Too Long
We're Getting Stronger
Strong Enough
Crash Goes Love
Heartstealer
So Sweet
Gotta Be #1
Do That To Me (Set Me Free)
The Queen's Anthem
Stand Up!
I Survived
Shout To The Top
Lifting Me Up
No Apology

25 singles and really not a bad one in the bunch (though i'm not counting her pre-disco stuff) and others may feel differently about the mid-80s DJ International stuff

anyhow, fitting that the best contender I could come up with for the PSB title is another queen

also, the St Et one is a good call too.

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 7 July 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

just heard the demo of I GET EXCITED from around '88 and i honestly can't believe a) how amazing it sounds and b) that i've never heard it before. supposedly they were originally working on it as a track for their the imminent album (INTROSPECTIVE, then going under the working title of BOUNCE) but they suddenly needed a b side for HEART and that's where it ended up. the demo has more excitement and urgency than the finished product and i think they rushed the recording in the end as it could have been a number 1 from the sound of it.

and i HATE people who say 'i preferred the demo' about songs but there you go! it is better!

pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Question: prior to 1993 was the PSB's homosexuality (Neil Tennant's, that is; Chris Lowe still won't affirm anything) an open secret? When I discovered them in 1990 during the Behaviour period -- the hits had dried up but they remained a strong presence on college radio -- my friends and I sort of "knew," without confirmation. Did the pronoun game (the use of "you") as much a giveaway as it was for the Buzzcocks and Husker Du?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

In retrospect, after that late 1990 "Being Boring" video, it'd be hard for Tennant to hide his homosexuality anymore.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it was more than hinted at in "It's a sin" (For everything I long to do No matter when or where or who). And the video for "Domino dancing" left this 15 year old gay teen's heart racing and wondering why the two guys seemed more interested in fighting with each other shirtless than being with the girl...

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i have no idea what it was like at the time but i don't know how anyone could have heard 'it's a sin' and not thought "GAYEST SONG EVAH"!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I only saw that video years later...and, yeah, I came to the same conclusion, i.e. "How could anyone think otherwise?"

btw I saw them a couple of nights ago -- a MUCH better show than the 2002 supporting Release, despite the smaller budget.)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The Buzzcocks are gay????

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I couldn't go here in Montreal and after seeing the set-list my heart is crying. This had to be the best show ever... All upbeat and no boring ballad from Fundamental. And "Dreaming of the Queen"!!!
(x-post)

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, they did play "Numb" after the intermission (!!). "Shopping" also gets a nice run-through.

Pete Shelley was/is gay, MrSnrub.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I did not know that.

I certainly didn't the Pet Shop Boys were gay, either. I always thought if they were gay, then why didn't they name their hit song "East End Boys"?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

didn't THINK the...

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

While on the one hand it seemed kind of obvious in the early days that they were gay, there was always some doubt and ambiguity surrounding the issue (though I wouldn't really describe it as a huge issue at the time either), and they--rather brilliantly, I thought--played up to the ambiguity. For me personally (a boring straight guy), the "Domino Dancing" video was the first real confirmation. Yeah, as LeRooLeRoo says, "the two guys seemed more interested in fighting with each other shirtless than being with the girl..." (To which I would add: a fetchingly voluptuous girl...) I either didn't see the "It's a Sin" video or didn't give a lot of thought to it (or to the lyrics, which now of course seem glaringly obvious, as does a lot of their earlier stuff in hindsight).

I remember when Tennant came out he quite hilariously said the real shocker would've been if he had declared himself straight.

Oddly, I had NO idea until probably the mid-80s that the Village People were gay (though I know that's not an uncommon reaction among people my age).

s woods (sw00ds), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, "glaringly obvious" is stupid. The great thing was, and remains, that none of it is "glarinly obvious"--about ANYthing, not just their sexuality. Duh.

s woods (sw00ds), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i have no idea what it was like at the time but i don't know how anyone could have heard 'it's a sin' and not thought "GAYEST SONG EVAH"!

HI DERE LEX.

I was 16 and just thought it all sounded dramatic and big and not 'gay' per se. It wasn't until 1991 at UCLA when my roommate Steve's boyfriend talked about a paper he was writing on PSB and gay identity -- 'out' without being out, specifically -- that I twigged.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Oddly, I had NO idea until probably the mid-80s that the Village People were gay (though I know that's not an uncommon reaction among people my age).

-- s woods (rockcritic...), October 20th, 2006. (sw00ds) (later)

Only one of the Village People were gay, the rest were lol straights.

Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, well then I really have no clue...the point being, I had no idea that anything about them--their lyrics, their look, anything else--was "gay." That all went completely over my head (and yet, I had some at least remote awareness of gayness and bisexuality via some glam rockers a couple yrs earlier).

s woods (sw00ds), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the policeman in Village People was breifly married to Claire Huxtable...

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ItqLjqqzY

astonishing to see this after so long. 1989 tour projection/backdrop by Jarman for KING'S CROSS.

the reason for reviving on this thread is that it would have been a single (WIKI confirms) in '87 after RENT, had it not been for what happened at King's Cross that year.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

can i just say, that the new live cd with bbc orchestra, concrete, is fucking great.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

quite a strange tracklist tho - in a good way mind you.

;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

strangely, as well as the orchestra tis almost an old school ZTT record : Ann Dudley/Trevor Horn/Steve Lipson.

and why is the tracklisting weird? not being a total fan i like the way it revisits some classics, some non-PSB tracks (eg. the Dusty springfield collab and Frances Barber tracks), and a chunk of the new ones - i reckon its a good spread actually.

in actual fact - having listened i think the selection is based upon the originals having orchestral arrangements and so the band took the opportunity to give this side of their catalogue a full on airing as neil in between each song gives a rundown on who provided the original arrangements.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Didn't notice before but 'Numb' is PSBs lowest chart position for a single since 'Was It Worth It' fourteen years ago and these are their only two singles to not reach the top 20 (not including the remix edition of 'DJ Culture').

;_; (blueski), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

That is deserved. "Numb" should never have been on the album in the first place. They are great pop songwriters so what's the point in collaborating with a boring American MOR songwriter?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pet Shop Boys' last twenty singles are the worst run of singles in the whole history of pop music; discuss.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Contwaversial

;_; (blueski), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Pete shelley is in fact bisexual. In fact he's married now.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Bearing in mind that their stated initial ambitions were to work with Bobby "O", and to get a 12" into the import racks at Record Shack on Berwick Street, it never occurred to me that the PSBs might be straight...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pet Shop Boys' last twenty singles are the worst run of singles in the whole history of pop music; discuss.

"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Paninaro '95"
"Before"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"Single-Bilingual"
"A red letter day"
"Somewhere"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"New York City boy"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Home and dry"
"I get along"
"Miracles"
"Flamboyant"
"I'm with Stupid"
"Minimal"
"Numb"

That's exactly 20 singles since Tom's list. I'd say at least 12 are as strong as the first 20 ones.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

By no means the "worst"--not within a longshot--but I would count precisely four of those on par with their greatest (three of them from Very), another three or four as "very goods" and the rest as either forgettable or boring (or unknown to me).

That said, I still think it's a spectacular run, and I can't think of another singles band that matches them for consistency (it's just that now they're more likely to be consistently very good rather than consistently amazing).

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

for some reason i always really liked 'Before'. i should check out the old Tenaglia and Joey Negro mixes of that to see if they fit my more Farley & Heller/Ashley Beedle-esque vision of the perfect version of that song.

;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope one of those four is "Minimal," Scott.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Some of their best B-sides are in that final 20. The Truck Driver And His Mate, Too Many People, The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On, Sexy Northerner, Bright Young Things...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yup. I'd include "Sexy Northerner" and "The Truck Driver..." in any list of their very best. "Sexy Northerner" was so sleazy and unexpected that it rendered most of Release irrelevant (my opinion hasn't changed: it's their dullest album, by a wide margin).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I love "Before" too. And I think the PopArt bonus singles are amazing. The Scissor Sisters remix of "Flamboyant" should've been the single though.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The four greats by my estimation:
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Bilingual"

The "very goods":
"Before" (borderline between great and very good--should listen to it again)
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Home and dry"

The so-so (at best):
"Single-Bilingual"
"A red letter day"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"New York City boy"
"I get along"
"I'm with Stupid"

The others are forgettable or unfamiliar (I keep hearing that "Flamboyant" is great, but I think I've heard it once).

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

oops...not "Bilingual" - I meant "Minimal"

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

(and I meant that as one of the "greats"...distracted right now, slowly walk away)

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to send you the Scissors Sisters remix of "Flamboyant," Scott.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

curious to hear it (and thanks!)...but note that I am not much of a Scissor Sisters fan (at least not what I've heard). their recent bee gees/elton retread kind of drives me batty.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's how I'd rate them:

Brilliant
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"

Very Good
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"New York City boy"
"Flamboyant"
"Paninaro '95"
"Integral" (fingers crossed)

Good
"Before"
"Miracles"
"I'm with Stupid"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"Single-Bilingual"

So-So
"A red letter day"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Home and dry"
"I get along"
"Minimal"

Boring
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Somewhere"
"Numb"

daavid (daavid), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Objections noted. This is batty and bombastic in all the best ways.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

In no sane universe is "New York City Boy", their most rote, uninteresting single, better than "I Get Along". But Daavid at least has the top one right. I'd put "Miracles" in the brilliant basket as well.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The PopArt mix of "Flamboyant" -- emphatically not the single mix -- is absolutely storming, and a dependable floor-filler at DJ nights I've done (although this could just be people amusing me 'cause they know I wuv the PSB).

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

My ratings: (I always thought "Electricity" and "Closer to Heaven" would've made decent enough singles)

As Good as Any in the First 20:
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Flamboyant"

Excellent:
"Liberation"
"Paninaro '95"
"Before"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"Home and dry"
"I'm with Stupid"

Fine:
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Minimal"

Meh:
"Single-Bilingual"
"I get along"
"Miracles"
"Numb"

Atrocious:
"A red letter day"
"Somewhere"
"New York City boy"

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"Miracles" is definitely brillant.

Here's my rating:

Amazing
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Before"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Miracles"
"Flamboyant"
"Minimal"

Great
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"A red letter day"
"Home and dry"

Good
"Paninaro '95"
"Single-Bilingual"
"Somewhere"
"New York City boy"
"I get along"
"I'm with Stupid"

Poor
"Numb"

(x-post)

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Chuck, you forgot "Can You Forgive Her?"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It's in the first 20 and obviously in the AMAZING category!

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah, just looked back on my list and violently disagreed with myself.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Their recent 20 are about as good as their first 20. Or, maybe not considering there are several in the bunch from "Release".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link


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