The Shining

Just saw Cuckoo's Nest today and was happy to see Scatman Crothers

lol, 237 is hysterical
such a good call not to show the conspiracy theorists

predictably, I loved Room 237. Just a lot of fun. I could have watched it forever.

Loved how moments of really penetrating insight are juxtaposed to the most extravagant reaching. Thought the guy who talked about the "pastness" and escaping from the horrors of history was really persuasive and even makes the film kind of moving. It's jives with what I've felt about it, anyway.

Loved the bit about the carpet. Never noticed it before and totally captivated by that idea. Also buy that many of the continuity errors are so obvious that they seem deliberate. I mean, a whole chair missing? Pants changing?

The main point against the Apollo guy isn't so much anything he says but his own paranoia and just how improbable and crazy what he's saying sounds.

also this movie brings up a feeling I wish had a name: when credulity turns to incredulity. you want to believe and agree, your fascinated and open to what is being said, and then the revelation comes and it doesn't connect with your experience and there's an urge to laugh and an even deeper feeling of disappointment or frustration, "no that's not it."

yeah i loved it, i think i laughed hardest at the women seeing the minotaur in the damn skiing pic. main takeaway i got was i really really want to see the shining again soon (and i'm not even that huge on kubrick compared to most of ilx and the shining esp doesn't rank that highly but just seeing it here was enough).

Oh man, I really want to see 237. And I don't even like the Shining all that much (I think it's good, just not... revelatory).

yeah i was like "I DON'T SEE A MINOTAUR!" but really does work with the maze theme?

and Kubrick's face in the clouds, and the really bizarre "phallus" that one guy sees.

yeah was so disappointed to not see kubrick's face in the clouds, I WANT TO BELIEVE

haha. also there's still SO MUCH weird shit that they don't even get to! dudes, no one has a clue what the blow-jobbing bear costume thing is about? and the one lady totally punts on the guy with the drink and split head.

must check imdb for other continuity errors

i cd swear the bear costume guy is straight from the book?

yeah but.....???

anyway other than the carpet thing my favorite part was the bill watson stuff, since that's always intrigued me as well. he's up to no good, that guy.

Bear guy is regularly used to suggest danny being abused by his dad, it seemed weird no one mentioned it?

The bear (actually dog costume) guy is from the book. There's actually a pretty detailed backstory for it that ties into the hotel's history. Kubrick presumably thought it was way freakier sans explanation. And he was right!

I also like how everyone assumes it's a guy...

The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie. The only problem is that the guy pushing that angle turns what was likely one of many threads into the film's raison d'être.

I hate to keep people out of the theater, but Room 237 is "on demand" at least in NYC

i saw it thru itunes.

The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie

There's that one website that did an exhaustive scene-by-scene depiction of it, which follows this train of thought, and has been posted many times on this thread, probably 2 or 3 times by me, so i'd feel embarrassed about posting it again. I think the site that hosted it was called 'mastermind' or something...

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1729_10151547696865600_1549660818_n.jpg

xp the doc refers to a msg board poster named mastrmind who declined to be interviewed. thats the jumping off pt for the superimposition stuff

oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t

OMG YES

that's really cool

u guys don't think Ascher wants you to accept evrything put forth in the film, now do ya

no.

he's a filmmaker not a schoolteacher iirc.

He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.

oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t

Jack's not even making the right hand gestures tho

actually that photo is Jack's head superimposed onto an actual vintage photograph, believe it or not.

http://media-cache-ec6.pinterest.com/192x/c5/97/fd/c597fd4611dc82a636d349228c94f918.jpg

actually actually!

literally actually

actually for real in actuality!

BAAAAAAAALSHIT

that's Baphomet, not Baal bro.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8xwa5GVsR3NqYPRYULOOHATcczOulgzJX13h6qN1QCXAyoDOykQ

jk who cares

you are one of them aren't you
you're one of the nonbelievers
you probably worship baphomet
and judd apatow

He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.

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lolling at this

rm 237 hit a lil too close to home for me as a lit major

I loved it. Would watch again.

Hadn't realised King hated Kubrick's version until I read a Guardian piece on filmed adaptations of books that was in the Guardian Review a week or so back. Said there was an interesting film called Room 237 looking at how people dealt with flaws in the film.

I'm having trouble with the Guardian website's search engine so can't find the article there. Hate that website's navigation have never been able to find things easily on it.

actually it's here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/06/king-kubrick-shining-adaptation
which I just found manually. Didn't turn up as search engine had Stephen King or Kubrick entered though & i think the search engine which they're looking for feedback on just stopped working while I'd been looking for it. Ferfuxsake

& I hadn't seen that that film was already being discussed, but the rest of taht article is interesting anyway. Written by the guy who wrote the novel Submarine that Ayoade's film was based on. Covers the changes in The Graduate and various other well known films too.

actually I'd assumed that Room 237 was an older film that might be well known to some, so wasn;t that surprised thatit was being taked about here. I mainly lost my own thread cos I was having such a hard time finding the article on the Guardian website.

That search engine sucks, I thoughtit might be cos I'd made several searches on book adaptation before enetering Stephen king but it still didn't show taht when I went back and enetered Stephen King asa fresh search, went into loads of other things before that which is from last week so likely to be the first thing people would be looking for with the search engine isn't it?

ilx has a search engine too

get it togetehr man

who are you talking to? I went to add the link to this thread because the thread was up active on the days current page. I'd just read the article a few days earlier so thought other people might be interested in reading it, but thanks to the lousy search engine not working properly I spent ages trying to find the entry I was looking for. Then only to discover it actually had the name Stephen King one of the search terms I was looking for directly in its title. Thanks to having to spend time trying to do that I lost thread of comment I was also going to add

So why would I need to find a search engine to look up the thread that was near the top of the page which was why I was adding to it. It looked from the article as though Room 237 was a documentary from a few years back that was being referred to.

So get what together?

all of *waves hand upward* that

I saw "Room 237", and it was OK. About a third of the commentators just sort of annoyed me and the pacing was quite off. Near the start there are sequences where the movie is played in super slow motion while someone awkwardly describes what is going on onscreen before describing crossfades that make complete sense as standard techniques you would use if you know anything about editing. Though yes the Hitler stash was funny. But I feel like the most compelling stuff was the Native American narrative, which was in here but chopped up among other things. Maybe i wish they had taken 3 major themes and studied them in order, rather than sort of jumping between them. It certainly would have helped build the case for each section. I can't believe nobody analyzing it for Nazi references didn't point out the red doors looking like the big red Nazi flag while 3 minutes were spent watching luggage being brought in in super slow motion.

Production value on this was pretty damn good! Plenty of times I wanted to know the name of the movies they were showing inbetween all the Kubrick footage, and the motion-tracked TV-swaps were always spot-on and looked really cool. Again, the commentators sometimes got on my nerves and I wished they had just hired a voice over actor to read all the stuff. Then again this movie is about how different people each bring a unique perspective so it probably would have lost some of that.

The moon landing thing was cool, but too short! Gimme more! Was kind of hoping they'd delve into 2001 at this point, do more front-projection analysis, etc. That image of cities on the moon? WTF? That was so great!! Where is that from?

LOL @ referencing Physical Cosmologies. Still my favorite Shining resource. The forwards-backwards part was pretty amazing. I'd heard about it when it came out and it sounded sort of cool but sort of gimmicky and dumb, but now I really want to see it!

"Room 237" was a good time and next time I was "The Shining" I'll probably have to keep a notepad by my side. Can't wait to see it again and watch for all the cool new stuff this has made me aware of.