It's been a great poll for opening my ears to some pre-Columbia stuff. I can't say it did the same for 1981 and after, but I have issues with the slick 80s production on a lot of it.
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
hey can anyone recommend a good book on the second quintet? analysis + history/anecdotes
this looks heavy on the musicological analysis, hence it has been sitting unopened on my shelf for a while
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― Brad C., Friday, 29 March 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Full results! Albums on one sheet, tracks on the other.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmhW_PgsyKKodFJMbzI2aFBSUlFySUhqaGlLRkZZVEE&usp=sharing
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
On the tracks page, where there were point ties, sometimes I had to override the spreadsheet's placement order (alphabetical by song title) with the number of votes, which was the first tiebreaker. I didn't bother trying to change the spreadsheet though.
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
great poll william I enjoyed it lots. Thank you!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
1. Zimbabwe2. Funky Tonk3. He Loved Him Madly4. Fat Time5. Round Midnight6. Iris7. On Green Dolphin Street8. Fall9. Jean Pierre/You're Under Arrest/Then There Were None10. Sivad
11. Blues For Pablo12. Miles Runs The Voodoo Down13. Tout de Suite14. Riot15. On The Corner/New York Girl/Thinkin' of One Thing and Doin' Another/Vote for Miles16. Summertime17. Milestones18. Human Nature19. Great Expectations20. Red China Blues
21. MDI/Something's On Your Mind/MDZ22. Soaking23. Dear Old Stockholm24. Mood25. Shhh/Peaceful26. Concierto de Aranjuez
Just the 26 because I had to rush mine out in the end. I feel defeated by the whole exercise, really - if I'd had a year then maybe I'd've done a better job. But it was great fun anyway, I second the 'learning a lot' thing.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
i think 'Tutu' (from Live Around the World) was the only '80s track on mine
― shit tie (Jordan), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
Good work WilliamC, really enjoyed this poll - I had no idea what the consensus tracks would be beyond a handful of obvious ones so this has been an eye-opener.
My ballot:
TRACKS1. Gone, Gone, GoneIn a Silent WayAll BluesBitches BrewPrayer (Oh Doctor Jesus)John McLaughlinShhh/PeacefulMy Funny ValentineMaiyshaConcierto de Aranjuez (Adagio)MilestonesHe Loved Him MadlySo WhatGreat ExpectationsBlack SatinEighty-OneLittle ChurchThe Pan Piper‘Round MidnightSpanish KeyBags’ GrooveRight OffE.S.P.On the Corner/New York Girl/Thinkin’ of One Thing and Doin’ Another/Vote for MilesYaphetDear Old StockholmFreddie FreeloaderFallAscentTwo Bass Hit ALBUMS1. In a Silent WayPorgy and BessBitches BrewSketches of SpainOn the CornerKind of BlueAghartaTribute to Jack JohnsonGet Up With ItE.S.P.Milestones'Round About MidnightBags GrooveSteamin' With the Miles Davis QuintetMy Funny ValentineMiles SmilesBig FunMiles Davis and the Modern Jazz GiantsCookin' With the Miles Davis QuintetRelaxin' With the Miles Davis Quintet
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
Loved this WC -- this must be the first poll I've voted in where the top two weren't even on my ballot!
1. Pharaohs Dance2. Right Off3. Nefertiti4. Milestones5. Fall6. Rated X7. Sivad8. My Funny Valentine 9. Concerto de Aranjuez10. Spanish Key11. So What12. Freddie the Freeloader13. All Blues14. Zimbabwe15. Miles Ahead16. Summertime17. My Man's Gone Now18. Gondwana19. Ife20. Someday My Prince Will Come
Albums1. Bitches Brew2. Kind of Blue3. Sketches of Spain4. Pangaea5. In a Silent Way
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
since voting i've been mostly only in the mood for Miles when i'm at home listening; and also just scored a handful i'd never thought to check out before: Pangaea, MFV, Four + more, oh and that KILLER Montreux box stuff. thx for all the work William!
― making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
The size of the discography made this tougher for everybody -- and I'd say from the somewhat lower turnout that it did chase off some potential voters -- so I'm glad y'all thought it turned out ok. Thanks again to everyone who voted/listened/commented! I just updated the Spotify playlist with the top 2.
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Friday, 29 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
1. Shh/Peaceful2. All Blues3. Bags' Groove4. Moja5. Concierto de Aranjuez6. Gone7. Spanish Key8. On the Corner/New York Girl/Thinkin' One Thing and Doin' Another/Vote for Miles9. Airegin10. So What11. In a Silent Way/It's About That Time12. Right Off13. Pharaoh's Dance14. Black Satin15. Boplicity16. Tabu17. Freddie Freeloader18. Toute de Suite19. Wili20. Bitches Brew21. Solea22. Flamenco Sketches23. Yesternow24. Springsville25. Generique26. Filles de Kilimanjaro27. My Funny Valentine28. Summertime29. Saeta30. Blues by Five
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
Oops, forgot to bold "Springsville" in there, too. And "Wili," too. Most surprised at "Bags' Groove" not placing, but the one I'd really love to direct more love to is "Gone" -- the only original on Porgy and Bess, and straight classic.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
"Gone" love seconded. The outtake sequence on the box is fascinating for how Gil Evans manages to consistently trip up these insanely accomplished musicians; even on the master, Philly Joe and the bass clarinetist still fuck up one of the sequences.
― Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
So WhatRightoffIn a Silent Way/It’s About That TimeBoplicityShhh/PeacefulAll BluesConcierto di AranjuezYesternowGondwanaPrayer (Oh Doctor Jesus)Miles Runs the Voodoo DownVote for MilesPreludeBlack SatinHelen Butte
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:39 (eleven years ago) link
I need to shout out what is probably my favorite track that has not even been mentioned in this thread so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBWF2mxNBI
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
you have to let it run for a while, it's a builder
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
1. Flamenco Sketches2. Milestones3. It Never Entered My Mind4. Blue in Green5. I Want to Stay Here6. So What7. Miles Runs the Voodoo Down8. In a Silent Way9. Right Off10. Shhh/Peaceful
Followed this to learn, and I got some direction on what to look for, so thanks.
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
It was actually a toss-up for me between this and "Mademoiselle Mabry" on my ballot. Definitely an underrated track.
― Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
TRACKS1. Shhh/Peaceful - In a Silent Way2. Bitches Brew - Bitches Brew3. Pharaoh’s Dance - Bitches Brew4. Spanish Key - Bitches Brew5. Miles Runs the Voodoo Down - Bitches Brew6. Sanctuary - Bitches Brew7. So What - Kind of Blue8. All Blues - Kind of Blue9. He Loved Him Madly - Get Up With It10. Footprints - Miles Smiles11. Rated X - Get Up With It12. Blue in Green - Kind of Blue13. Boplicity - Birth of the Cool14. Orbits - Miles Smiles15. Circle - Miles Smiles16. Freedom Jazz Dance - Miles Smiles17. Dolores - Miles Smiles18. E.S.P. - E.S.P.19. Agitation - E.S.P.20. Iris - E.S.P.21. Black Satin - On the Corner22. Stuff - Miles in the Sky23. Black Comedy - Miles in the Sky24. Tout de Suite - Filles de Kilimanjaro25. Petits Machins - Filles de Kilimanjaro26. Filles de Kilimanjaro - Filles de Kilimanjaro27. Solea - Sketches of Spain28. Calypso Frelimo - Get Up With It29. Maiysha - Get Up With It30. The Sorcerer - Sorcerer
― j., Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:04 (eleven years ago) link
William will agree you need to watch thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSFSdcGPLM
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago) link
1. Go Ahead John2. Shhhpeaceful3. Great Expectations4. Freddy Freeloader5. Lonely Fire6. It's About That Time7. All Blues8. Tout De Suite9. Solea10. Will O' The Wisp11. The Little Blue Frog12. The Pan Piper13. Petits Machins 14. Black Satin15. One And One16. Miles Runs The Voodoo Down17. Blue In Green18. All Blues19. Filles De Kilimanjaro 20. Spanish Key21. Pinocchio22. Country Son23. Paraphernalia24. Honky Tonk25. Frelon Brun 26. Eighty-One27. Footprints28. Mood29. Dual Mr. Anthony Tillmon Williams Process30. Splash
Really enjoyed this poll, thanks for the effort William. Only just getting acquainted with Porgy and Bess and Ascenseur pour l'échafaud. It is such a huge, multifaceted beast is the Miles oeuvre. I don't know how he fitted it into one lifetime.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 30 March 2013 11:38 (eleven years ago) link
My ballot --
TRACKS
#1 Flamenco SketchesHe Loved Him MadlyIn A Silent Way/It's About That TimeBlack SatinFootprintsOn the Corner/New York Girl/Thinkin' of One Thing and Doin' Another/Vote for MilesShhh/PeacefulNuit Sur les Champs-Élysées (take 4)Circle in the RoundGeneriqueSanctuaryFallBlue in GreenPharoah's DanceSeven Steps to HeavenSo WhatGoneSaetaRated XConcierto de AranjuezPrayer (Oh Doctor Jesus)Bitches BrewSpanish KeyGo Ahead JohnMasqualeroEighty-OneAll BluesSummertimeBlues for PabloRound Midnight - #30
ALBUMS
1. In A Silent Way 2. On the Corner 3. Kind of Blue 4. Ascenseur Pour l'Echafaud 5. Miles Smiles 6. Sketches of Spain 7. Dark Magus 8. Bitches Brew 9. Get Up With It 10. Seven Steps to Heaven 11. Porgy and Bess 12. Birth of the Cool 13. Filles de Kilimanjaro 14. Miles in the Sky 15. Nefertiti 16. The Complete Concert 1964 17. Miles in Tokyo 18. E.S.P. 19. Milestones 20. Miles Ahead
SIDEMEN
Tony WilliamsBill EvansJohn McLaughlinDave HollandJohn Coltrane
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Saturday, 30 March 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
William will agree you need to watch this
These videos make me realize that as intense as the music from those live records is during the 70s, in some ways you still don't quite understand how radical they were until you see the performances -- the living room-like setup, guys in their 20s w the enormous Afros and silk shirts, Mtume playing thumb pianos and the like. For a Miles Davis band, who was playing to stuffed shirt white audiences only a few years earlier, it's pretty incredible.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 30 March 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
Herbie on 'Nefertiti', confirming the 'lost first take' story (although there still weren't solos on that version):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/122187618/Herbie-Hancock-The-Nefertiti-Interview
HH: By the way, that was me, who said to Miles “let’s play the melody only.” That was my suggestion. I thought that the rhythm sections could give colors from underneath. Miles said “Wayne, let’s do the melody,” and they did. We succeeded. You can hear how the rhythm section develops. By the way, you know that the first take of “Nefertiti,” wasn’t actually recorded on the original album? We were all really trying to find the real meaning of the song, and no one pressed the “record button”. In take 2 we tried to reproduce the sound of take 1. The first take was the real original, but we didn’t record it. So you’re actually listening to take2 on the album.--Oh, really?HH: Yes. That’s right. When we finished the original “Nefertiti” album, Miles said to Teo Macero, “Teo, from now on, press the “record button,” whenever we grab our instruments; whenever you hear anything!!! Never mind about take 2,3,or 4, CBS record L35 or any of that kind of shit man!!! Get the music on the tape!!!” So after that, the music was always recorded. He never forgot to push the “record button”again, (laughs). Anyway, the first version was a masterpiece. Who listened to it? Only people inthe studio at that time. They never forgot that. Ask Ron Carter. He can tell you about the“Nefertiti,” which was not recorded. That was more than 20 years ago.
― shit tie (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
Ohhhh, man.
― What makes a man start threads? (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teo_Macero.jpg
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― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
Rather,http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Teo_Macero.jpg
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
No way!
Way.
Miles Davis Way.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
Volume 3 of the Bootleg Series coming out in March.
Looks to be the complete/unedited At Fillmore shows.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Sweet, I was just jamming Vol 2 the other day, there will never be enough live Miles boots!
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
yeesh i still need to get vol 2. this should be good, though "a substantial contribution from Carlos Santana" in the liners ehhh.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
"a substantial contribution from Carlos Santana" = a picture of Santana wearing a tie-dyed Miles t-shirt
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
honestly i'd rather they throw it over to keith jarrett so he can explain why all of this music is terrible. at least that would be kind of entertaining.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
I wonder if Jarrett winces and writhes around when he's typing.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
lol probably
― tylerw, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
but seriously, whatever jarrett thinks, him and corea dueling during this period is some seriously killer stuff.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
Totally. I love how Miles got such amazing performances out of musicians by forcing them to do what they didn't want to do. I don't think Jarrett touched an electric instrument (or Corea an Echoplex) after his stint with Miles.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Paul Tingen chimes in on the upcoming release: http://miles-beyond.com/news.htm
Also, huh:
There's a nice, impressionistic essay by Michael Cuscuna, who was at one of the concerts, and the pre-release version also contains an interview with Santana. Reportedly Santana was unhappy with the album's cover, which he said had nothing to do with Miles, and he withdrew his cooperation and his section of the liner notes will be omitted from the release when it sees the light of day on March 25th. These are the rumours I've heard, let's see what the reality is.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 14 March 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
Weird song ID request, but just wondering if anyone knows what Miles song was used in the clip from his entry in Microsoft Encarta circa-1994.
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 September 2014 03:12 (nine years ago) link
can't help you, but i am smiling b/c i spend shit loads of time as a 10-14 year-old exploring music clips and articles via this mid-1900s CD-ROM from Billboard/All Music Guide. got into tons of jazz as a kid b/c of this
― marcos, Monday, 8 September 2014 14:09 (nine years ago) link
"b/c i SPENT spend shit loads of time as a 10-14 year-old"
to clarify i am no longer a pre-adolescent
― marcos, Monday, 8 September 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
Was reading PDF's ranking of Miles' studio albums this morning and had a desire to listen to You're Under Arrest -- and WTF?? -- it seems to be the sole album of his not on Spotify.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
Miles Davis At Newport 1955-1975: The Bootleg Series Vol. 4
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
looks good... though i'm not actually that crazy about the newport 58 set. is that 75 set the last time he played in the 70s?
― tylerw, Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
It's his last live recording of the 70s, but supposedly the last performance was a few months later.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
And yeah, there's a bit too much already-released stuff here. I would've rather they didn't include the 1969 set and instead included the full 1975 set.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
OK, I could give a shit about Disc 1, but Discs 2 and 4 look fantastic, and Disc 3 should be pretty awesome, too (I already have Bitches Brew Live, so I already have the 1969 material, but the '73 and '75 stuff will be cool).
I was hoping Vol. 4 would be four discs from the 1971 band heard on Disc 4. Oh, well...
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 30 April 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
Ha, I was just listening to Vol.3 the other and thinking we were about due for Vol.4, yeah I feel sort of mixed about the selection (was also really hoping for like 4 discs of unreleased 70s stuff) but I'll definitely get it...yeah disc 2 and 4 look like they could be awesome.
Does it still sometimes feel like Sony/Columbia doesn't know what to do with the 71-75 recordings? Like even here it's almost like they are luring people in with mostly released stuff from 55.
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
yeah just seems like an all 75 box is important... maybe other than agharta/pangaea and this july recording, columbia doesn't actually have that much in the vaults?
― tylerw, Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link