ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

i don't really care about whether it meaningfully represents any serious kind of consensus or zeitgest tho.

Well I don't care that much about that either!

Didn't realise people still liked Joy Division!

Don't really get this sentiment. Do you ever get people going "I didn't realise people still liked the Beatles"? What's it supposed to imply? Is it a condemnation of people "still liking" something even though it's passe? Am I supposed to somehow outgrow the music I like? Are younger people supposed to reject all old music? Have Joy Division somehow become shit, despite nothing about them changing?

yes

e) all of the above

No, I like Joy Division too, I assumed they were considered a bit old hat these days

srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?

I don't hear much talk of them I suppose (xp)

some things don't age well, it happens. JD haven't changed but much else has, could be same diff

it's what makes this a contest rather than a survey, and personally i tend to prefer surveys to contests. but that's because i'm not into the "insider sports"/influence jockeying angle of music enjoyment. i can see how it would be enjoyable for those people.

But it absolutely wasn't a contest. Not a bit.

It was about ilxors discovering lots of new albums via nominations/voting/results threads.

Do you ever get people going "I didn't realise people still liked the Beatles"?

Not often enough.

srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?

― Mordy, Friday, March 29, 2013 4:54 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think either would be cool, but I quite like idea of the messy melange of stuff that an all-time poll could bring.

Do you ever get people going "I didn't realise people still liked the Beatles"?

Not often enough.

Ha, I mainly used them because I don't like 'em myself, but *even I* don't say that.

The best way for anyone to change the polls to their liking is to
nominate
campaign
vote
more campaigning.

ok -- i'll believe you, but ime a nomination followed by a campaign usually leads to a contest at the end of which there is a winner. just sayin!

srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?
fwiw the latter sounds insane -- limited!

its more effective than complaining or doing nothing

I'm OK with polls for bands with fairly small discographies, beyond that I'll leave it to other people

I too felt emil.y's sentiments. Or perhaps it was meant that because of the two movies, Joy Division enjoyed a spike in mainstream popularity that would have petered out by now given it's been a few years. However that wouldn't make sense, as ILM is hardly mainstream.

For me the poll had the biggest impact during nominations and voting and campaigning. Because of the recommendations, I tracked down and heard a ton of great music, and once I catch up on sleep and hopefully avoiding getting sick from those whole deal, my life will be better for it ;) The rollout was just the fun icing.

LL -the polls have never been about what wins it or is in the top 10 (even though some do want it to be that way complete with suspense of only having a top 50)
but my polls are always about introducing all kinds of albums to wider ilx. I personally find the more interesting results are outside of a top 100 and loved albums by a few people are as least as important as albums lots of people find ok. In a decade poll it obviously can mean there's lots more albums to choose from than an EOY poll - hence large rollout.

srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?

I think all-time would get a lot more participation.

Artist rankings (with one vote per artist per ballot):

1 Black Sabbath - 10433 points, 56 votes, 4 first-place votes
2 Funkadelic - 10005 points, 65 votes, 4 first-place votes
3 Can - 9774 points, 59 votes, 2 first-place votes
4 Amon Düül II - 7543 points, 52 votes, 2 first-place votes
5 Led Zeppelin - 7455 points, 45 votes, 3 first-place votes
6 Flower Travellin' Band - 7284 points, 44 votes, 1 first-place votes
7 Hawkwind - 7005 points, 48 votes, 2 first-place votes
8 The Stooges - 6461 points, 38 votes, 5 first-place votes
9 Neu! - 6315 points, 44 votes, 1 first-place votes
10 Miles Davis - 5931 points, 41 votes, 1 first-place votes
11 The Groundhogs - 5929 points, 41 votes, 1 first-place votes
12 Ash Ra Tempel - 5817 points, 41 votes, 1 first-place votes
13 Television - 5567 points, 37 votes, 0 first-place votes
14 Joy Division - 5527 points, 36 votes, 1 first-place votes
15 Wire - 5468 points, 41 votes, 1 first-place votes
16 King Crimson - 5338 points, 34 votes, 3 first-place votes
17 Faust - 5298 points, 36 votes, 0 first-place votes
18 AC/DC - 5073 points, 32 votes, 0 first-place votes
19 Roxy Music - 5040 points, 34 votes, 1 first-place votes
20 Chrome - 5010 points, 38 votes, 1 first-place votes
21 Parliament - 4916 points, 38 votes, 0 first-place votes
22 Sly & The Family Stone - 4868 points, 35 votes, 1 first-place votes
23 Magma - 4599 points, 31 votes, 1 first-place votes
24 Brian Eno - 4575 points, 29 votes, 2 first-place votes
25 Fela Kuti - 4574 points, 36 votes, 1 first-place votes
26 PiL - 4526 points, 33 votes, 0 first-place votes
27 Judas Priest - 4396 points, 32 votes, 0 first-place votes
28 Throbbing Gristle - 4342 points, 32 votes, 1 first-place votes
29 La Dusseldorf - 4258 points, 31 votes, 1 first-place votes
30 Mandrill - 4163 points, 29 votes, 1 first-place votes
31 David Bowie - 4103 points, 30 votes, 0 first-place votes
32 Les Rallizes Dénudés - 3960 points, 28 votes, 0 first-place votes
33 Van der Graaf Generator - 3889 points, 25 votes, 1 first-place votes
34 Gang of Four - 3885 points, 26 votes, 0 first-place votes
35 Devo - 3877 points, 28 votes, 1 first-place votes
36 Curtis Mayfield - 3817 points, 27 votes, 0 first-place votes
37 Ohio Players - 3666 points, 27 votes, 0 first-place votes
38 Pink Fairies - 3633 points, 27 votes, 1 first-place votes
39 Patti Smith - 3607 points, 26 votes, 0 first-place votes
40 The Modern Lovers - 3607 points, 24 votes, 0 first-place votes
41 Pere Ubu - 3578 points, 30 votes, 1 first-place votes
42 The Pop Group - 3543 points, 25 votes, 0 first-place votes
43 Mahavishnu Orchestra - 3476 points, 25 votes, 0 first-place votes
44 New York Dolls - 3420 points, 29 votes, 0 first-place votes
45 Nurse With Wound - 3333 points, 22 votes, 1 first-place votes
46 ZZ Top - 3294 points, 24 votes, 0 first-place votes
47 Richard Hell and the Voidoids - 3292 points, 25 votes, 0 first-place votes
48 Ramones - 3275 points, 24 votes, 0 first-place votes
49 Suicide - 3268 points, 23 votes, 0 first-place votes
50 The Residents - 3263 points, 25 votes, 0 first-place votes

but of course you get ilxors who have decided on what they like already and have no interest in hearing new 'old' stuff. But thats natural I guess.

I'm OK with polls for bands with fairly small discographies, beyond that I'll leave it to other people

see, I don't get the point of that. If I like a band and they have a small discography, and all of their albums are great, then I'll just buy them all. There's nothing new to be learned from a poll. Especially now in the age of spotify. just listen to it all and decide for yourself.

srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?
I think all-time would get a lot more participation.

This is also true, as well as my pro-melange feeling. But if you feel like LL and worry it might be *too* messy, you could consider a "second half of the 20th century" limitation or something like that.

thanks for those artist rankings seandalai! I suspected sabbath would have the most points, but I'm surprised ohio players didn't rack up more. I guess all of their albums placed pretty low. I retract my complaining.

see, I don't get the point of that. If I like a band and they have a small discography, and all of their albums are great, then I'll just buy them all. There's nothing new to be learned from a poll. Especially now in the age of spotify. just listen to it all and decide for yourself.

Tracks not albums. I'm not Spotify so all of this is lost on me.

great poll. btw, is there like an aggregated list of all the spotify playlists made for these ilm polls? I want to subscribe to all of em

It's funny that tom d says "where are all the good albums like....."
then says there's no need for the poll as its been done twice already (with those albums he mentioned)

make your mind up tom!

Spotify playlist of results compiled by moodles
http://open.spotify.com/user/olken2000/playlist/5sdu93N2DjKkDk0NMe6sFH
spotify:user:olken2000:playlist:5sdu93N2DjKkDk0NMe6sFH

Tracks not albums. I'm not Spotify so all of this is lost on me.

well I agree, tracks polls are insane. but this is an albums poll, so go complain on the tracks poll.

, but I'm surprised ohio players didn't rack up more. I guess all of their albums placed pretty low. I retract my complaining.

― wk,

and so you should.

Ohio Players are awesome.

I wasn't really keeping up with the number of women placing during the roll-out, but that artist rankings list is INCREDIBLY male heavy.

says there's no need for the poll as its been done twice already (with those albums he mentioned)

What "Kill City" was in there? I don't remember those polls anyway!

you should have nominated it!

Awesome Seandalai, I was tempted to try to tabulate artist rankings from a text file, thanks for saving me from that! That's a really handy guide for those who want a snapshot of one aspect of the poll.

xp I saw Tom's clarification on JD after I posted.

After a short break, I was planning to start a thread on Psych-Prog 1968-69. I've discovered a lot of stuff from those years lately from research inspired by the poll. It could also be useful as a pre-poll campaigning thread. I do NOT volunteer to co-run a 60s poll though!

I'm gonna check emil.y's ballot to see if she was mad sexist with all those male bands in it! ;)

the poll couldnt be done without you fnb

This is also true, as well as my pro-melange feeling. But if you feel like LL and worry it might be *too* messy, you could consider a "second half of the 20th century" limitation or something like that.

Agree with this.

you helped make the 70s poll such a success

Speech! Speech!

By my count, 31 of my 100 albums have at least one female member playing on them. Which is not, in itself, great. However, unless I am mistaken, I count three women in the entirety of the top 50 bands by band-rank.

Another good reason for the longer rollout then!

A longer roll-out doesn't change the weighting of band rankings.

tbh there's loads of bands in the list that I have no idea whether there's female band members or not. There is bound to be more than we think.

and so you should.

Ohio Players are awesome.

yeah, I like them alright and was kind of annoyed when somebody upthread claimed that I hated them. I just thought it was funny for a while there when so many of their albums were placing close together. they don't seem to have been hurt by vote splitting as much as some other albums. It seems like there were about 16 Ohio Players fans who put all of the albums on their ballots.

Nothing sexist about this poll, Stacia in Hawkwind, there's a woman doing a great job in a rock band

no different to the fans of other bands who put all their albums on their ballots. Its just noticeable because Ohio Players dont generally make these polls.

Nothing sexist about this poll, Stacia in Hawkwind, there's a woman doing a great job in a rock band

― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, March 29, 2013 5:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Loooool.

I actually refused to count Hawkwind as having a female member, on my ballot as well as on the main list.

Spotify playlist of results compiled by moodles
http://open.spotify.com/user/olken2000/playlist/5sdu93N2DjKkDk0NMe6sFH
spotify:user:olken2000:playlist:5sdu93N2DjKkDk0NMe6sFH

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 17:07 (10 minutes ago)

Hey yeah thanks for this - but i'm already on that. I meant an aggregate list of ALL the spotify playlists made for all of these running ilm artist polls. Any thread like that?

the women in this poll are all on the ohio players album covers

there was a totally incomplete nominations list
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/1rFbtUwZlcYHBD6gcemMeK
spotify:user:pfunkboy:playlist:1rFbtUwZlcYHBD6gcemMeK

men wearing dresses or naming themselves things like "Junie" took all of the jobs