ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

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I mean, it's good, but I reckon it gets more props simply for being first

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I think you better give it another listen

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

is that to both hellhouse and imago?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

but we're taking it down to 31 tonight!

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:34 PM (6 minutes ago)

oh in that case

pink flag TOO LOW

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

imago, NWW never did much for me tbh

xp

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

on it now :)

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link

yeah wire in general too low, my pick for best three album run by a rock band ever

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link

All of these albums are too low. Can we just have a big tie for first place and give everyone a banana sticker for participating?

Moodles, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't notice NWW on the ballot. it might have been one place higher if i had.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link

154 is the one that was disconcertingly low, other two are pretty high considering the high quality of much 70s music

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

(not that Wire aren't one of my favourite bands. moshed on a damaged knee to them on sunday, still feeling it now)

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

All of these albums are too low

tell it to the ohio players

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

33. NEW YORK DOLLS New York Dolls (3420 Points, 29 Votes)
RYM: 62 for 1973 , #1719 overall | Acclaimed: #918 | RS: #213

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At least half the white kids who grow up in Manhattan are well off and moderately arty, like Carly Simon and John Paul Hammond. It takes brats from the outer boroughs to capture the oppressive excitement Manhattan holds for a half-formed human being the way these guys do. The careening screech of their music was first heard in the Cooper Union station of the Lexington IRT, and they don't stop there. Mixing early-'60s popsong savvy with late-'60s fast-metal anarchy, they seek love l-u-v from trash and bad girls. They go looking for a kiss among the personality crises. And they wonder whether you could make it with Frankenstein. A+ -- R. Christgau

After building their reputation on seedy late-night New York stages, the Dolls' awful magnetism netted them a label contract. Todd Rundgren took the production reins, and delivered a great-sounding document with all the chaos intact. A genuine rock classic, New York Dolls contains "Personality Crisis," "Looking for a Kiss," "Trash" and other wondrous slices of gutter poetry punctuated by David Jo Hansen's slangy howl and Johnny Thunders' sneering guitar. No home should be without one. -- Trouser Press

The album cover hits with a stark black and white photo, side scrawled in lipstick red across the top. The boys appear on a white satin couch with a strange combination of high pop-star drag and ruthless street arrogance. There's lipstick, eye shadow and platform boots, but there's also some sinister slipstream flowing here. Remember the earliest Stones's publicity photos? What was scruffy and outrageous then looks so commonplace now - -in ten years will this photo seem as quaint?

But the Dolls are a lot more than just another visually weird band. In much the same way that the Stones and the Who began as symbols of and for their club audiences, the Dolls, in their series of legendary gigs at the Mercer Arts Center came to be the forefront of a new creature/clan. Somebody once described them as "the mutant children of the hydrogen age": boys and girls of indeterminate gender, males with earrings and flashing orange hair, females with ducktails and black leather, interchangeable clothes, make-ups and postures, maybe gay, maybe not -- and what's it to ya, mothafuckah? (Wistful lost children with battery acid veins and goldbrick road dreams...how hard it is to be outrageous these days...).

Interesting sociologically, but it could get pretty deadly on a music level, if it weren't for the Dolls's street sense. They don't take their movie any more seriously than they take anyone else's, and they play it with a refreshing and sardonic sense of humor.

In fall of last year the Dolls toured England, where their first drummer died of chemical complications. They returned to the US and added friend Jerry Nolan, who seemed to spark a tightening-up and surprising musical growth. The band attracted a lot of record company interest, but most executives went away mumbling and snarling - -with the exception of Paul Nelson, who kept coming back. In time a contract was signed and work began, with whiz-kid producer Todd Rundgren at the board. At first the combination seemed not only bizarre but unworkable: Todd, ace of complex board work and over-dubbing sessions versus the driving but basic dead-end kids of the Seventies. But strangely enough, the compromise between live raunch and studio cleanness and complexity seems to work about 90% of the time.

Generally, the Dolls's live sound is the traditional two-guitar, bass and drums, with occasional harmonies behind lead vocals, and for the most part, it is maintained here. As is often the case with first albums, the group got too hung up with the toys of the studio -- a few lead lines are all but buried in overdubs, some vocal choruses are just a bit too rich -- but on the whole, it's mostly straightforward power rock.

Lead singer David Johansen wrote most of the lyrics, and his keen sense of the absurd comes through on the opening cut, "Personality Crisis," a driving rocker. "With all the cards of fate mother nature sends, you mirror's always jammed up with all your friends...You got so much personality, you're flashing on a friend of a friend..." The cut is a jumping companion piece to classics like "20th Century Fox" and "Cool Calm and Collected." After finishing the screaming end of the take David sauntered into the control booth at the Record Plant. "Was that ludicrous enough?" he asked earnestly.

Looking for a Kiss" is many people's favorite Dolls song. It's another full-power rocker with contemporary slice-of-urban-life lyrics: "I did not come here lookin' for no fix -- ah, uh-uh, no! -- I been out all night in the rain babe -- just looking for a kiss." Guitarists Johnny Thunders and Sylvain Sylvain (he's the one with the roller skates and clown rouge on the cover shot) lay down a suitably harmonic-cacophonic city sound behind David's sincere plea -- "I mean a fix ain't a kiss!"

"Vietnamese Baby" is a love song, and Todd's magic fingers turn the drums into occasional bursts of machine gun fire. "Now that it's over baby -- whatcha gonna do?" "Lonely Planet Boy" is a comparatively acoustic ballad with a great late-night smoggy city feel, as close as the Dolls get to being ethereal. David's voice is almost a whisper over the Ice Dog saxophone of Buddy Bowser. Although just a taste too busy, the cut has a mood of drifting solitude that's just right at the end of a strange sad night when the manholes have been trying to bite you.

"Frankenstein (Orig.)" -- it was written before Edgar Winter's -- is the album's "bad acid" song. It builds an air of oppressive and droning inevitability, helped along by Todd's drooging on the Moog. In an interview David explained, "The song is about how kids come to Manhattan from all over, they're kind of like whipped dogs, they're very repressed. Their bodies and brains are disoriented from each other...it's a love song."

"Trash" has an infectious rhythm riff, and uses Stones and Beach Boys quotes as well as old R&B lines: "How you call you loverboy? Trash!" It's a nonsensical, good-rocking ass-shaker. Probably the most easily accessible song here is "Bad Girl" ("A new bad girl moved on my block/I gave her my keys, said don't bother to knock"). The guitar break by Johnny is short, catchy and effective. Nobody takes any long solos anywhere; what counts is the song, words and music and the arrangements are lean and mean, put together with craftsmen's ears.

"Subway Train" is a personal favorite. The charging guitar phrase that keeps running throughout has all the metal banshee mania of the Seventh Avenue IRT, and the riff is equally relentless. "I seen enough drama just riding on a subway train," David sings, and if you've ever been there you know just what he means.

"Private World" is another favorite, about your own fantasy retreat from it all ("Shut the door!") -- with an oddly familiar and infectious riff, and nice honky-tonked piano by Todd and Syl. The album closes with "Jet Boy," mostly words on a swooping riff; Marvel Comics meets the Lower East Side. Throughout, the rhythm of drummer Jerry Nolan and bassist bad Arthur Kane is solid an pulsing, the guitars fast and slashing, the structures simple but effective.

The only question I have is if the record alone will impress as much as seeing them live (they're a highly watchable group). They're definitely a band to keep both eyes and ears on. In different ways, and for widely different reasons, I'm as excited about the Dolls as I was when I first heard the Allman Brothers. I guess it has to do with being real, and caring enough to get it right.

There are a lot of approaches to reality now, the Dolls is one you can dance to. You can love them or hate them, but they're not gonna go away. I'm waiting for their next album. -- Tony Glover, RS

Their debut, while featuring such standouts as "Looking for a Kiss" and "Personality Crisis," was marred by Todd Rundgren's heavy production hand. -- John Milward, 1979 RS Record Guide

RS critic Paul Nelson actually signed the New York Dolls to Mercury Records during his brief stint there in the early 70s, which got him fired when the album didn't sell. But four short years later, the tremendous impact of this LP was manifest in the New York scene that the Dolls almost singlehandedly spawned. Nelson, back writing for Rolling Stone, put New York Dolls on his list of the ten best records of '67-'77 in the magazine's tenth anniversary issue: "No last gasps of an older tradition, David Johansen and Johnny Thunders were Mick and Keith in defiant and comedic fuck-me shoes, but the early Seventies simply weren't ready for such anarchy in the U.S." 

Indeed, most people weren't ready for the Dolls' raw, decadent image in '73, but RS actually praised their debut upon its release. Reviewing the album in the 9/13/73 issue, Tony Glover wrote that New York Dolls displayed "a refreshing and sardonic sense of humor," and that "the compromise between live raunch and studio complexity seems to work about 90% of the time." 

So it is sort of inexplicable that RS would have soured on New York Dolls by decade's end, at which time it should have been obvious how important this record was. Whatever vague complaints John Milward had about Todd Rundgren's production, it hardly "mars" the debut, which remains one of the most crucial records of the early 70s. 

New York Dolls was #213 on RS's 500 greatest albums list. -- schmidtt, Rolling Stone's 500 Worst Reviews of All Time

Pilloried by the press as merely drag impersonators of The Rolling Stones, the New York Dolls were in fact a tight and well-rehearsed band who loved Fifties R&B and Sixties girl groups. In New York they paid their dues at a theater called the Mercer Arts Center, where they were adopted by Andy Warhol's Arts Factory entourage. Convinced they were the next big thing, Marty Thau, who was associated with Aerosmith's management team, struck a record deal. The Dolls' hard-boiled insights into Manhattan's day-to-day decadence and chronicles of underground despair were set to keep The Velvet Underground's flame alive.

Not without some opposition from the Dolls, producer Todd Rundgren transformed the band's basement dynamics with a cinematic sound spectrum. Johnny Thunders' stormy, Chuck Berry-like guitar-playing collided with David Johansen's drunken howl at a wild recording session that yielded an explosive set of songs. The Dolls' streetwise rock 'n' roll majesty (and sharp wit) fueled such gutter classics as "Frankenstein," "Human Being," the joyous romp "Personality Crisis," and "Trash" -- articulating cheap romance and urban alienation within a grotesque but beautiful soundscape.

Trailblazers of New York's early Seventies proto-punk scene, the Dolls were in the middle of an acrimonious breakup by 1975, partly brought about by their self-destructive tendencies. Their achievements had not gone unnoticed in London, though -- in that same year, Malcolm McLaren (who managed the Dolls briefly toward the end of their career) stole their concept and formed a new band, the Sex Pistols. -- Jaime Gonzalo, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die


review
by Stephen Thomas Erlewine

There are hints of girl group pop and more than a hint of the Rolling Stones, but The New York Dolls doesn't really sound like anything that came before it. It's hard rock with a self-conscious wit, a celebration of camp and kitsch that retains a menacing, malevolent edge. The New York Dolls play as if they can barely keep the music from falling apart and David Johansen sings and screams like a man possessed. The New York Dolls is a noisy, reckless album that rocks and rolls with a vengeance. The Dolls rework old Chuck Berry and Stones riffs, playing them with a sloppy, violent glee. "Personality Crisis," "Looking for a Kiss," and "Trash" strut with confidence, while "Vietnamese Baby" and "Frankenstein" sound otherworldly, working the same frightening drone over and over again. The New York Dolls is the definitive proto-punk album, even more than anything the Stooges released. It plunders history while celebrating it, creating a sleazy urban mythology along the way.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

TOO HIGH! jk. I like that album but haven't listened to it or thought about it for almost 20 years.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

yo hellhouse should I post our cover of "106 beats that" to demonstrate for imago that pink flag's shadow still looms tall + long in civilized regions of the world

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link

jesus was that all the touring they did for it? not sure it ever stood a chance but no wonder it flopped if so

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

I liked that cover at the time, EIII! I am 15 minutes into Pink Flag right now and it's really good yeah, more than the sum of its parts though which is probably why I didn't get it before - it needs to be judged as an album

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link

yo hellhouse should I post our cover of "106 beats that" to demonstrate for imago that pink flag's shadow still looms tall + long in civilized regions of the world

yeah, but w/ the disclaimer that it was assembled in Audacity w/ lobster-claw finesse by disgusting savages.

Hellhouse, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link

kinda a shame he packed it in as a new journalist, his piece in tom wolfe's new journalism anthology was pretty great iirc

Wouldn't be surprised. There's an old MC5 piece up on his site that's really good feature writing.

timellison, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

n/m I forgot who imago was (again)

xp

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link

32. MILES DAVIS A Tribute To Jack Johnson (3421 Points, 25 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #15 for 1971 , #227 overall | Acclaimed: #1148 | Trouser Press: #58

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In which all the flash of Bitches Brew coalesces into one brilliant illumination. On "Right Off" (i.e., side one) John McLaughlin begins by varying a rock riff I'll bet Miles wrote for him over Michael Henderson's blues bass line and Billy Cobham's impressively rockish pulse and then goes on to cut the leader, who's not exactly laying back himself. "Yesternow" (side two) is mellower, mood music for a vacation on the moon. A great one. A+ -- R. Christgau

One night recently I caught Miles' sextet at Shelley's in Hollywood; the music was just outstanding, far superior to what the same sextet does in the grandstand music halls. IF you haven't heard Miles perform live within the last couple of years, you'd certainly get a far better idea of what he's capable of doing from this Jack Johnson album than from the inferior Live At The Fillmore. Which is not to say that Jack Johnson presents the sextet at its best (in fact, for some reason Columbia doesn't even give credit to their personnel...). The album released as the soundtrack for a documentary film of the same title, seems to me to be almost 50 percent filler material. But oh, Jack Johnson has its moments all right.

The first two thirds of the first side is just a bitch. The number opens with raw, biting rock guitar licks (courtesy of John McLaughlin, "guest artist"), thumping bass, poly-dimensional drumming. after this short but very visceral intro, Miles prowls in like a tiger, his musical muscles rippling, taunting, teasing. Miles fragments his phrasing, blowing in short stuttery bursts, then squawking, then stretching a line. McLaughlin's wah-wahing imitates-alternates with the trumpet while the rhythm section steams restlessly at high intensity. A brief section of MIles' "space sound," with low bass drone and slight trumpet echo, gives way to a lovely, restrained soprano solo, which in turn precedes a short section featuring Jarrett. Then Miles sounds again, and everything would have been just right if the track closed at the end of his solo. But instead, an out of play Sly and the Family imitation comes next, and is quite uninspired compared to what came before it. Then, just before the end of the side, McLaughlin plays his guitar the way he's known for it, elasticizing and layering the notes; he barely gets a start by the fade out.

...Jack Johnson is a promise of things that might come. Gary Barts might turn out to be as great a saxophonist as he sounds like he's going to be. And Miles Davis faithfuls just might get the chance to hear another album from him which is, like some from a few years ago, packed with dynamite from the first groove to the last. -- David Lubin, RS


review
[-] by Thom Jurek

None of Miles Davis' recordings has been more shrouded in mystery than Jack Johnson, yet none has better fulfilled Miles Davis' promise that he could form the "greatest rock band you ever heard." Containing only two tracks, the album was assembled out of no less than four recording sessions between February 18, 1970, and June 4, 1970, and was patched together by producer Teo Macero. Most of the outtake material ended up on Directions, Big Fun, and elsewhere. The first misconception is the lineup: the credits on the recording are incomplete. For the opener, "Right Off," the band is Miles, John McLaughlin, Billy Cobham, Herbie Hancock, Michael Henderson, and Steve Grossman (no piano player!), which reflects the liner notes. This was from the musicians' point of view, in a single take, recorded as McLaughlin began riffing in the studio while waiting for Miles; it was picked up on by Henderson and Cobham, Hancock was ushered in to jump on a Hammond organ (he was passing through the building), and Miles rushed in at 2:19 and proceeded to play one of the longest, funkiest, knottiest, and most complex solos of his career. Seldom has he cut loose like that and played in the high register with such a full sound. In the meantime, the interplay between Cobham, McLaughlin, and Henderson is out of the box, McLaughlin playing long, angular chords centering around E. This was funky, dirty rock & roll jazz. There is this groove that gets nastier and nastier as the track carries on, and never quits, though there are insertions by Macero of two Miles takes on Sly Stone tunes and an ambient textured section before the band comes back with the groove, fires it up again, and carries it out. On "Yesternow," the case is far more complex. There are two lineups, the one mentioned above, and one that begins at about 12:55. The second lineup was Miles, McLaughlin, Jack DeJohnette, Chick Corea, Bennie Maupin, Dave Holland, and Sonny Sharrock. The first 12 minutes of the tune revolve around a single bass riff lifted from James Brown's "Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud." The material that eases the first half of the tune into the second is taken from "Shhh/Peaceful," from In a Silent Way, overdubbed with the same trumpet solo that is in the ambient section of "Right Off." It gets more complex as the original lineup is dubbed back in with a section from Miles' tune "Willie Nelson," another part of the ambient section of "Right Off," and an orchestral bit of "The Man Nobody Saw" at 23:52, before the voice of Jack Johnson (by actor Brock Peters) takes the piece out. The highly textured, nearly pastoral ambience at the end of the album is a fitting coda to the chilling, overall high-energy rockist stance of the album. Jack Johnson is the purest electric jazz record ever made because of the feeling of spontaneity and freedom it evokes in the listener, for the stellar and inspiring solos by McLaughlin and Davis that blur all edges between the two musics, and for the tireless perfection of the studio assemblage by Miles and producer Macero. [The album was completely remastered and reissued in January of 2005, following the 2003 release of the Complete Jack Johnson Sessions box set by Legacy.]

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

Regarding touring, I think in the 70s it was a challenge for many bands that had decent followings in major cities but couldn't even fill tiny bars elsewhere. SST's workhorses Black Flag and others seemed to do a lot of groundwork in establishing touring networks for lesser known bands. I actually saw the Dolls a few years ago and they were great!

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link

Trouser Press: #58 = Pitchfork: #58. My bad.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that makes sense. never quite grasped how much the 80s black flag and r.e.m. model of play fucking everywhere was an anomaly, at least for rock bands that hadn't broken thru yet.

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link

yessss to Jack Johnson. That little sequence that they repeat over and over in the second half of Yesternow is the coolest thing ever.

Eamon Dool Two (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:17 (eleven years ago) link

last one for tonight coming up. Will try start a bit earlier tomorrow (about 1)

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

31. THE POP GROUP Y (3543 Points, 25 Votes)
RYM: #47 for 1979 , #2332 overall | Acclaimed: #678 | Pitchfork: #35

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These abrasive, militant British punks rage against racism, oppression, hunger and anything else that's a world problem; as usual, there's no solution, only anger. The seminal Bristol band synthesizes Beefheartian structures and tribal dance beats to create a didactic soundtrack that barely lets you breathe. Their two primary albums are alternately brilliant and intolerable, with exhortatory songs like "Feed the Hungry," "Rob a Bank" and "Communicate. -- Trouser Press

Hardly a meeting of minds, even in the brief postpunk anything's-possible moment that allowed it, Y married The Pop Group's free rockjazz with the popdub productions of Dennis Bovell: from the opening studio-tech belch, it's a maelstrom of dub and distortion effects, a tempest of extremes. Recording levels change suddenly, inexplicably, in mid-note; musical unity, and the ordinary sense of place that recording strives to maintain, are both constantly, relentlessly, creatively blown to pieces. Nothing is allowed to settle; the listener least of all. Rage, terror, anguish, all hurtle past and round you: time and space feel violently mutable. Digital technology may have made all the cut-and-paste herein easy, but it's never produced so deliriously, maddeningly protean a piece of music. -- Woebot

For better or worse, we here at Stylus, in all of our autocratic consumer-crit greed, are slaves to timeliness. A record over six months old is often discarded, deemed too old for publication, a relic in the internet age. That's why each week at Stylus, one writer takes a look at an album with the benefit of time. Whether it has been unjustly ignored, unfairly lauded, or misunderstood in some fundamental way, we aim with On Second Thought to provide a fresh look at albums that need it. 

Even if the currently reigning postpunk revival gets so big that we witness This Heat namechecked on Will & Grace, The Birthday Party in Miller Light commercials, and guitar manufacturers coming out with an Andy-Gill-endorsed pedal (“Now, more trebly!”), I seriously doubt it’ll do much for The Pop Group’s music. Not only inaccessible but murky and truly weird, they’re a dark and complicated band, one that is truly radical in every sense of the word: they boasted a warbling 6’7” frontman who disappeared from the gigging circuit for a while because he was off aiding Cambodian refugees, a cut-and-paste sonic ethos that bordered on the absurdly promiscuous (they didn’t just namecheck dub, free jazz, and Beefheart, they emulated them all, usually within the space of a single song), and a take-no-prisoners agit-prop lyrical style (this album’s opening track, after all, sings the praises of a heroine to whom “Western values mean nothing”). Since TPG are usually so up-front about their influences, then, I won’t feel quite as bad for copping a move from Pitchfork (who were, I think, talking about The Fucking Champs) when I call them the Serpentor of short-lived oddball postpunk groups. 

You might be skeptical, but that’s only because you haven’t heard “She Is Beyond Good And Evil,” a junkyard-disco romp that, as the band’s debut single, is the closest they came to an entirely unironic use of their name. Still, the slathered-in-reverb production values here—a series of echoed guitar stabs are the only thing that remain distinct through the dubbed-out, echoes-of-echoes fogginess—make for some pretty uneasy listening; frontman Mark Stewart howls out lines on the order of “I’ll hold you like a gun!” as a chunky, minimal bass ascends, and then it’s all over, drowned in its own wake before we knew quite what to make of it. “Thief Of Fire” is funkier and slower, the sort of thing that seems a clear inspiration to early Meat Beat Manifesto, deranged vocal delivery and all. Again, though, there’s a lurking threat in this slow-burning groove, first in a burbling saxophone shoved to the background of the mix, then in a full-on outburst of scummy guitar and a one-drum nervous fit; though there’s a coruscating bass framework that one can follow through the track, everything keeps tearing itself in several different directions. 

But just as you think you’ve got the band figured out (if the album ended here, I’d pen something about them being a Birthday Party/Go4 hybrid that manages to hold onto the more irritating tendencies of each), another curveball arrives in the form of “Snowgirl,” which suddenly metamorphoses into some ornately depravedAladdin Sane piano work and an absurdly hectic drum breakdown that the rest of the band joins, all of which sounds like the Get Hustle practicing in a room where that last Autechre full-length nobody was too fond of was playing from a portable cassette player. A double-tracked Stewart first croons, then wails, as things go, well, even more epileptic, then a sulking bass cuts everything off. 

“Blood Money” is a truly bizarre mixture of tribal drumming (sometimes mixed at half-speed) and what sounds like Jajoukan pipe music, with some truly bloodcurdling effects-treated chaos from Stewart. Is this what Crass would’ve sounded like if they’d let Nurse With Wound take a crack at remixing them? Well, quite possibly. Like certain Boredoms tracks, its intensity-gone-absurd moments bring to mind an alien civilization weaned on a diet of crystal meth, Rudimentary Peni and Tago Mago. Yet things go again in the direction you’d least expect, with the upbeat “We Are Time,” a dub-and-surf-guitar (this provides the interesting opportunity for two sonic idioms known for reverb to create friction with each other) free-for-all that—despite the bizarre presence of sped-up tapes, what could very well be a melodica, and several drop-outs—doesn’t quite succumb to its own internal inconsistencies until six minutes in, with a rampage-at-the-mixing-desk cataclysm that is as scary as anything on The Faust Tapes. 

Another melancholy piano ballad that features some downright lovely playing, against which Stewart’s sinister whispering is used to great effect, “The Savage Sea” is all too brief; “Words Disobey Me” returns with a strong funk element, which is probably the band’s most effective use of the idiom. The rock-solid drumming certainly helps here; even the mess of guitar sprawl is reined in a bit, until the song briefly demolishes itself and a campy shift takes place that approaches film-noir jazz, a Sharks-and-Jets confrontation with prepared piano flourishes. A rudimentary saxophone that perhaps arrived late to the party kicks off “Don’t Call Me Pain,” which features some of the jerkiest, most insistent rhythms this side of Cabaret Voltaire’s 2 x 45. Stewart recites “This is the age of chance” several times in a row, then embarks on an relatively lucid anti-military treatise. Backed as he is by the band’s funk-gone-haywire rhythms and a woodwind instrument that sounds at home in a Moroccan bazaar, this is probably the band’s most effective use of sonic disorientation to underscore an anti-imperialist message. One can almost imagine this as the uprising of mysterious forces, the soundtrack to an incoherent-as-usual Burroughsian revenge fantasy where the souls rise from desecrated graves, with vengeance on their minds. Unfortunately, the following track, “The Boys From Brazil,” uses most of the same tricks to lesser effect. 

This truly baffling album concludes, appropriately enough, with its most abstract track, “Don’t Sell Your Dreams.” Some oddly tuned jazz guitar and more user-unfriendly cops from non-Western music create a subdued backdrop, which slowly percolates until Stewart’s truly disturbing and violent howls upset this relatively idyllic setting. Drums and bass try to rouse up something, but it never happens. And so a humdrum inertness (ours? That of some distant Other? Is it/us able to move? If so, would motion be deemed necessary?) becomes a final apocalyptic statement. We end deeply unsettled, the band continuing to conjure up a bombed out city block with no idea how far the destruction has spread. Maybe, as we could easily be sitting on the brink of war, this could all be far more relevant than we think.  -- Chris Smith, Stylus


review
by John Dougan

Abrasive, but interesting, the Pop Group's debut is perhaps the most succinct summation of their angry and defiant approach to rock & roll. Although at times resembling the discordant funk of fellow post-punk radicals Gang of Four, the Pop Group leave rhythm behind almost as quickly as they find it, and the result is a clattering din of sound resembling an aural collage. The longish, guitar-driven track "We Are Time" is the strongest cut, establishing a solid groove that won't let go.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

That was kind of a holy grail album for me. I had a vinyl copy of For How Much Longer..., but could not find Y to save my life, until it was finally reissued on CD in '96. I don't think I've been able to turn a single friend onto The Pop Group -- too sharp and brittle maybe? Cool to see it here.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link

So the final 30 tomorrow unless the majority would prefer 20 tomorrow and the final 10 on friday

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

Direct Link to poll recap & full results

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

Posts on todays albums or previously placed albums are welcome as well as prediction or hopes for the final 30.

Hoping lots of people have discovered new to them albums.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link

As I said earlier I will try start about 1pm UK time so we can spread the results out a bit but not finish at midnight.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link

So ZZ Top is gonna play Cleveland on August 24 at...Tiger Stadium.

― less Shin, more Stubbs (weatheringdaleson), Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:17 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tiger Stadium...in Massilon, OH. Thank you, NY Dolls!

"Poot yawl hans together" patter. -- Steve Apple, RS (weatheringdaleson), Thursday, 28 March 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

haha awesome

balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

Wuuuut? Massillon?! That place barely exists. It's no Akron.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 March 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago) link

forgot how freakin' awesome the suspiria soundtrack is

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 28 March 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago) link

Roxy Music at 54 isn't too bad, obviously I would have liked it a lot higher as it was my number one but I'm happy with that.

Really surprised how well Mandrill have done in this list, Mandrill Is is by far their best album and really deserves it's place.

I didn't realise Viva was that much popular than La Dusseldorf, it probably is the better album but there really isn't much in it.

After playing it today my biggest hope is that Devo can somehow sneak into the top ten. Another album I wish I'd put higher on my list.

It's looking like Can and Neu are going to do very well now. Not sure which albums will end up the highest, Future Days is my favourite but it'll probably be Ege Bamyasi or maybe Neu 75.

Kitchen Person, Thursday, 28 March 2013 04:51 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, style sheet update from 1995 to 2000! Change is jarring.

Three #1 votes for Rundgren's A Wizard, A True Star. I've had that and a few others for close to a decade, and none of his stuff grabs me. I like it okay when it's on, but nothing I'm compelled to go back to until someone else raves about him and I check again to see what I'm missing. I had problems with the busy, trebly production on Wizard in the past. Today it sounded better to me, maybe because I've gotten used to all the shitty sounding basement psych recordings of Ice Dragon! So what made this album worthy of high placement while the more widely regarded Something/Anything wasn't nominated?

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 March 2013 05:18 (eleven years ago) link

wizard more record geek choice, which is the heavy vibe of the poll i guess. love wizard but something/anything is the only moment where he puts it together completely for me. his getup here is something else, kinda turning into the skid w/ his not conventionally handsome looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PygSlObAU

balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago) link

I like both albums but Something/Anything is a pretty soft pop-rock album, neither hard & heavy nor weird nor funky. If we were to include that, we might as well also include Tapestry. A Wizard, a True Star (which I do like more - really love it in fact) is damn weird and also gets into serious heavy rock territory at times.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 06:40 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, the two albums are pretty drastically different from each other imo.

http://youtu.be/lLeCB7Kn-VE

vs

http://youtu.be/FDcngFIy5nA

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMdEF_t-Co

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 06:47 (eleven years ago) link

xxp There are many things you could call Zeppelin, "simple" is not one of them.

OTM + I don't think Zep ever posited the Sex Pistols or punk rock as their 'sworn enemies' (although the Sex Pistols did obviously like to frame things that way.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 06:56 (eleven years ago) link

search Wearing and Tearing

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 28 March 2013 06:57 (eleven years ago) link

Or even "Communication Breakdown"!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 07:01 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, I suppose that song is pretty simple (as are some other early tracks). It still seems like an odd thing to say about Led Zeppelin on the whole though. I don't really know why a prog fan wouldn't find something to like in the peak period of IV-Houses of the Holy-Physical Graffiti, honestly, unless you just hate Plant's voice.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 March 2013 07:14 (eleven years ago) link

Like, I dont even like La Grange at all, but Tres Hombres is so stacked with deep cuts like Master of Sparks and Hot Blue & Righteous that it p much instantly transcends that overrated beer commercial nonsense (it helps that LG is shuffled away in the middle of Side 2) xp

― Drugs A. Money, Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:23 PM (Yesterday)

Sometimes I forget that La Grange is even on Tres Hombres, that's how front-to-back badass this album is to me. I think the two other cuts you named are actually my favorites from the record.

today's tom soy yum, mean mean thai (Spectrist), Thursday, 28 March 2013 08:00 (eleven years ago) link

57. ZZ TOP Tres Hombres (2807 Points, 20 Votes)
54. ROXY MUSIC Roxy Music (2836 Points, 20 Votes, 1 #1)
47. BLACK SABBATH Master of Reality (2993 Points, 19 Votes, 1 #1)
46. WIRE Chairs Missing (3009 Points, 21 Votes)

These get a Too Low! from me.

Have never heard Viva, that's something I should listen to (I love their first album).

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 28 March 2013 10:01 (eleven years ago) link

it's a brilliant album, you won't be disappointed...

Neil S, Thursday, 28 March 2013 10:02 (eleven years ago) link

Fuck it, I'm giving up hope for Cyborgs Revisited by Simply Saucer. Always have a hard time gauging how well-known stuff is, but thinking that one got 25+ votes is just dreaming. More people should definitely hear it - reminds me of the ramped-up Velvetsisms of the Modern Lovers first album but riddled through with the insectoid psych of Piper-era Floyd or Chrome at their peak plus a liberal dash of flat-out Stoogely guitar raunch. The rhythm section bangs like a fucking fireball through the sky and half the time it sounds like the guitar is just madly scrabbling to keep a hold of the trail being scorched into the blackness.

Best song is Illegal Bodies which no-one bothered voting for in the tracks poll either. Right up there with Rocket From The Tombs imo.

Other really great records I've given up on seeing:

Twink - Think Pink
Älgarnas Trädgård - Framtiden är ett svävande skepp förankrat i forntiden
Harvester - Hemat

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Thursday, 28 March 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link

^ he's right you know.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 28 March 2013 11:59 (eleven years ago) link


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