ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

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thread is missing emil.y say TOO LOW :(

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

.. and its unavailable to us in the US.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

MDK is a recent discovery of mine, and of course it made my goddamn list. Quite high up, too. Amazing.

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link

I agree. I don't know very much about Suicide but BS were very influenced by EC Comics and horror films of the current present and past, a tradition that continues in the more horror-centric avenues of metal. I mean, "Iron Man," if described literally to someone sounds like a Roger Cormen movie, no?

yeah, maybe the fact that Iron Man and Ghost Rider are marvel characters is too obvious to bother stating, but otoh maybe dudes like xgau actually didn't know that!

when I hear the opening of the song Black Sabbath I think that it's obviously horror movie music, not some kind of offshoot of serious hippie interest in the occult.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

The Magma album is available on YouTube.

http://youtu.be/g9A-gPOq1OQ

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link

thanks bmus!!!

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

so everyone realises there are no more surprises to come?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

did Space Ritual place?

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

it would be a surprise to me if it didn't seeing as most of the the other Hawkwind albums placed.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link

no more wtfs?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

stand by for the lols

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

now is it a certain top 10 album placing low

or a how the hell is it so high moment?

which do you prefer?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

there's at least 5 more '70s Ohio Players albums to go right?

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

is it miles davis and his album 'get on with it'?

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

have a look at the noms

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

The World Of Magma
Imagine a world, many centuries into the future, when society as we know it has decyed into chaos and degradation, voide of spiritual guidance. The colonizatin of space is well underway, and space travel has become commonplace. It is in this setting that a handful of enlightened Earth people seeking a better existence finance the construction of a private spacecraft and leave the planet in search of a new world where a new, more spiritually guided civilization can be reborn. They finally find that new home after a long and hazardous journey on the distant planet Kobaia, where the party settles and begins anew.

Magma is a concept band whose albums explain the origins and development of the new civilization on Kobaia, and their interactions with the people of Earth and other planets. All of their lyrics are sung in the language of the new civilization, 'Kobaian.' As one might expect, the music from Kobaia several hundred years from now is very unlike what we are accustomed to on twentieth century planet earth. Magma's music is very strange, beautiful, and ultimately rewarding, but it does require an open mind on the part of the listener. It is music that must be experienced fully with body, heart and soul: not simpley a cerebral performance of some kind of space opera by clever musicians, but a full blown spiritual experience with the music acting as the connecting vehicle between performer and listener.

Led by drummer Christian Vander, Magma began in the final months of the sixties in France, pretty much apart from the underground music scene of the times. In fact most of the original members had worked in other rock and jazz groups before, although without much notoriety. The band has since gone through an almost constant stream of personnel changes, but the alumni list looks like a who's who of top caliber French musicians: Klaus Blasquiz, Guy Khalifa, Claude Engel, Jannick Top, Bernard Paganotti, Patrick Gauthier, Francis Moze, Rene Garber, Jean-Luc Manderlier, Benoit Widermann, Didier Lockwood, Teddy Lasry, Yochk'o Seffer, Michel Herve, Florence Berteaux, Daniel Denis, Clement Bailly... and the list goes on. All the while, the one constant is Vander and his vision- although the contributions of the other musicians of the other musicians to the execution of this vision cannot be downplayed. The creation of the development of the original concept and the Kobaian language was in fact a group effort. Some players were more influential than others, but with each change in personnel came a slight change in the sound of the band.

The first album, a 2 LP set simply title MAGMA, is where the story begins. The first disc concerns itself with the departure and journey to Kobaia, arrival at their destination, the long and patient process of building a new society according to their vision, and their process of learning how to live in harmony with their new surroundings, while attaining a high degree of technological advancement. The second disc involves the rescue of a foreign spaceship which gets into orbital difficulties over Kobaia- this ship turns out to be manned by a crew from Earth. The visitors tell of the continued degeneration and disasters that have afflicted Earth, and at the same time are impressed with the progress that the Kobaians have made, their philosophy and societial organization, and how they have learned to live as one at peace with their surroundings. The Earthmen request that the Kobaians visit Earth and attempt to propagate their philosophy in order to save society from its certain destruction. After some deliberation, a small party agrees to accompany the stranded visitors on their journey home.

1000 DEGREES CENTIGRADES, the second Magma album from 1971, begins with the arrival of the Kobaian party back on Earth, and the seemingly friendly welcome they receive. The Earth people listen to the stories of the establishment and growth of Kobaian civilization, to their philosophy, and ideas for the betterment of life on Earth through purification and spiritual enlightment. But after airing these ideas at a meeting with the Earth authorities, the Kobaian party is promptly imprisoned and their spacecraft is impounded. But a message is sent to Kobaia, and a rescue effort is begun. The Kobaian rescus party offers the Earth authorities the choice of releasing the imprisoned Kobaians, or face certain destruction by the Kobaian's ultimate weapon. The imprisoned Kobaians are promptly released, and although they vow never to return, their visit is to be remembered by the few they came in contact with for a long period of time, their ideas preserved and passed on for future generations.

One of these people who remembered the essence of the Kobaians' visit was a man named Nebehr Gudahtt, a spiritualist who is the subject of the third Magma album, MEKANIK DESTRUKTIW KOMMANDOH, recorded in 1973. His message to the people of Earth is that their only salvation from an ultimate and certain doom is through self purification and communication with the divine spirit of the supreme being, the Kreuhn Kohrman. With this album we are introduced to the story of the Theusz Hamtaahk (literal translation: Time of Hatred) concerning the period of time on Earth between the Kobaian visit and the celestial march for enlightenment led by Nebehr Gudahht which concludes this album. At first Gudahtt's message is rejected, and the people march against him, but as they march they begin to question their very existance and purpose. One by one, they begin to see his truth, slowly reaching enlightenment, and begin to march with him instead of against him.

MDK is the third movement of the Theusz Hamtaahk, which leads one to the question- where are the first and second movements? Originally, the Theusz Hamtaahk was ambitiously planned to be three cycles of three movements each (nine movements total), but the idea was apparently abandoned after MDK- at least further movements beyond that point were not identified as such. The second movement appeared the following year as the soundtrack to the Yvan Lagrange film 'Tristan et Yseult,' recorded by a scaled down 4-piece version of the band and officially listed as a Christian Vander solo record. In fact its CD re-release is credited to Magma and restores its proper title WURDAH ITAH (translates to: Dead Earth). The first movement of Theusz Hamtaahk, a full length thirty-five minute opus, was performed regularly live, but was not released on record until the 1980 live album RETROSPEKTIW I-IV.

With their forth album KOHNTARKOSZ, Magma began what is presumed to be the first movement of the second cycle of the Theusz Hamtaahk, the story of Ementeht-Re. Here the story gets a bit more cryptic, intentionally so, as by this time Magma's music is taking on a more spiritual and purely musical nature, where vocals seem to be more an element of the music than a vechile for delivering lyrics. Kohntarkosz is a man who discovers an old Egyptian tomb of an ancient master, murdered before reaching his aim, which was immortality. When he enters the tomb, he has a visioin of Ementeht-Re, and all of his secrets are then revealed to Kohntarkosz.

The story goes on. A presumed second movement of Ementeht-Re was never recorded in one piece, but is scattered randomly across the next two albums MAGMA LIVE (the tracks 'Hhai' and 'Ementeht-Re') and UDU WUDU (the tracks 'Zombies,' 'Soleil D'Ork' and 'De Futura'). At this point, the story becomes increasingly unclear. Other tracks like 'Om Zanka' and 'Gamma Anteria' (from the live album INEDITS) and 'Ptah' (from the unauthorized live MEKANIK ZEUHL WORTZ) seem to be into the general concept as well, but Vander offered few clues as to where the story goes after Kohntarkosz. Magma's 1978 album ATTAHK appears to have a theme also, but it seems to be unique unto itself and not tied with any of the previous records. Again, Vander offers few clues. This also marks the last studio album which is sung exclusively in the Kobaian language.

And thus the Kobaian story closes. Magma's next studio effort MERCI in '84 is sung in French and English, with a couple obligatory tracks in Kobaian, yet it seems very clear from the music and the overall direction that the band is moving in, that the Theusz Hamtaahk and the whole seventies concept of Magma is something they were trying hard to put behind them. This would also be Magma's final studio release. Within months, Christian Vander's new band Offering was born, moving further and deeper into the more acoustic Coltrane-inspired Jazz directions that Magma had ever dared to travel before. One senses the liberation that Offering provided, allowing Vander to explore new avenues that were unsuited to the seventies Magma style. Christian's Jazz Trio was also born in this period also, plus numerous solo projects, all of which very much deserves to be heard.

Clearly, the seventies version of Magma was one of the most influential of all French bands, equaled only by Gong and Ange. They have left a legacy of music that defies any of the standard and convenient classifications of rock, operating instead in a realm of their own creation. It waits to be discovered by new converts, and continually by older fans alike. Kobaia iss de hundin! -- Peter Thelen, Perfect Sound Forever

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

i was at my friend's earlier and his four year old daughter was telling me how much she liked suicide's first album, especially "ghost rider". kids today!!!

i have always avoided that yoko ono album for some unknown reason. very curious to hear it now.

space ritual will place top 10. yeah right.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

All of Magma's albums are parts of huge story arc. Grok on that for a minute ;)

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link

36. NURSE WITH WOUND Chance Meeting On A Dissecting Table Of A Sewing Machine And An Umbrella ( 3333 Points, 22 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #406 for 1980

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NWW's debut, Chance Meeting (originally issued in an edition of 500 in 1979), welds introverted, spacey guitar to converging hemispheres of intergalactic blips. Then, like much of the band's music, it veers into sketchy doodles: between intermittent lulls of humming and buzzing, there are bursts of frenzied screeching, torture chamber screams, piano scales, women speaking French, etc. -- Trouser Press


review
by John Bush

The debut Nurse With Wound album lies halfway between the more tuneless explorations of Krautrock and the new industrialism practiced by Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire. Across three lengthy tracks, obtuse guitar freak-outs are used to frame distorted synthesizers and mostly rhythm-less drum machines. Though it frequently defies easy analysis, Chance Meeting is one of the more glowing examples of uncompromising industrial-noise of the 1970s.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link

nice timing stirmonster

now paging hellhouse

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link

xgau might've been too old to know marvel (i mean he started writing rock crit after kinda packing it in as a new journalist, so mid 20s in 67 probably?)(and kinda a shame he packed it in as a new journalist, his piece in tom wolfe's new journalism anthology was pretty great iirc; weird charge to level at a dude who reviews ten albums or so a week and clearly labors over his sentences but a certain laziness has always been a big flaw for xgau, why i think he never attempted a book along the lines of what marcus has done several times. it might be at the root of his paradoxical incuriousity also, the guy writes about anything and listens to a wider swath of stuff than any of his peers and yet so much, esp if it's english and esp esp if it's europeon, he reacts to w/ kneejerk skepticism and dismissal. maybe the new yorker in him?) though marvel was pretty huge w/ the sixties rock crowd (hulk made the cover of rolling stone), horror movie aspects of black sabbath were evident to me for as long as i was aware of them but the pop-art aspects of suicide (w/ the exception of the debt to sun records) i didn't catch on to til later, the first time i heard the first album (when i was 19? 20?) it terrified the shit out of me.

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link

also
( 3333 Points, 22 Votes, 1 #1)

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha that's more of an "oh ILMpaws"

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

Well, I guess it sort of unravels by Attahk, but still pretty cool.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

so much to talk about, not much time to comment... but here's a blurb for paranoid I wrote on this very board many years ago:

Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Four guys going nowhere steal the four horsemen's steeds and ride them into oblivion, or at least down to the corner to score dope. Watching a 1970 live-in-Paris proshot video bootleg, I realized the minimal amount of overdubs used here, and how much we'd lost. Before the ennui of wealth settled on them, they were sweating desperation, punker than you'd think.

seems appropriate in light of all the satan talk, plus I've long suspected that the line in xgau's paranoid review, horror movies catharsized stuff I was too rational to care about, explains not only why he doesn't get sabbath but also why he doesn't get metal itself. that combined with his aircraft carrier quip in re: van halen rounds out the story; metal thrives on horror/power dynamics, so if you can't appreciate or even respect those themes a lot of the genre will be lost on you. nobody asked him to actually believe in satan or actually board an aircraft carrier, so it will always be kind of a headscratcher to me but insert slam of the witty urbane masking a small-minded provincialism here anyway.

plus it's hard for me to believe anybody thinks paranoid is actually about SATAN, there are exactly zero point zero songs on the album about ole beelzebub, its themes are the timeless teenage disaffection tropes, all the devil/death/terror stuff is clearly metaphorical + well-done and it has 100% to do with MODERN LIVING in the REAL WORLD which explains its lasting power today and makes particular sense if you consider being raised in a bleak midlands town where postwar industrial factories rubbed shoulders w/ the medieval remnants of churches and pubs, neat writeup on the effect of place on the evolution of metal here: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Factory+music%3A+how+the+industrial+geography+and+working-class...-a0238770845

and here's how I break it down to an extent

war pigs = war protest song, duh
paranoid = modern anxiety
planet caravan = ecstasy of luv
iron man = my family smelted yr ore and helped you win the war but now I'm trapped in a decaying industrial wasteland so FU and FYI birmingham was england's 3rd most bombed city during WWII but who cares in this go-go swinging six-oh era so go on and thumb yr nose london hipster, the olde ways have been forgotten but we will have our revenge thru the sacred power of RIFFS

electric funeral = atom bomb paranoia
hand of doom = heroin addiction
rat salad = predicts the worldwide domination of monsanto school lunches
fairies wear boots = the line between partying and losing yourself in a helpless world of hallucination is a thin one indeed

if all this sounds scary scary ooga booga to you it's only because the existential terror of modern living was filtered through the hallucinatory sheen of bava/hammer horror matinees and EC comic books like the musical screams of slaves boiling inside phalaris' brazen bull, so get with it eh

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

you must have a NWW comment

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link

^^^
best piece of music writing posted to the poll so far!
xp

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link

iron man = my family smelted yr ore and helped you win the war but now I'm trapped in a decaying industrial wasteland so FU and FYI birmingham was england's 3rd most bombed city during WWII but who cares in this go-go swinging six-oh era so go on and thumb yr nose london hipster, the olde ways have been forgotten but we will have our revenge thru the sacred power of RIFFS

woah a very interesting exegisis of Iron Man!! I like it a lot.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link

that NWW album is great. maybe too high if you want to be objective about it, but it's as good as a lot of the lesser krautrock that placed. arguably more influential and important though if you care about that at all. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't an album or two discussed on this poll that we wouldn't be talking about if it weren't for NWW.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

I always wondered why the Iron Man of the song was far more like the Silver Surfer of the comics, albeit more malevolent.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link

yeah me too! i was thinking that 'iron man' was the only sabbath song that still carried that 'evil! eeeeeeevillllll!' reading i had from when i was 12 but that's wonderful

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that's awesome!

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago) link

35. PATTI SMITH Horses (3381 Points, 24 Votes)
RYM: #9 for 1975 , #254 overall | Acclaimed: #19 | RS: #44

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I don't feel much intelligent sympathy for Smith's apocalyptic romanticism. Her ideas are as irrelevant to any social apocalypse I can envision as they are to my present as a well-adjusted, well-rewarded media professional. But Smith (in this manifestation) is a musician, not a philosopher. Music is different. The fact that I'm fairly obsessive about rock and roll indicates that on some sub-intellectual level I need a little apocalypse, just to keep my superego honest. That, of course, is exactly what she's trying to tell us. However questionable her apprehension of the surreal, the way she connects it with the youth cult/rock and roll nexus is revelation enough for now. This record loses her humor, but it gets the minimalist fury of her band and the revolutionary dimension of her singing just fine, and I haven't turned off any of the long arty cuts yet. A -- R. Christgau

Horses, produced by John Cale, broke a lot of stylistic ground, thanks to Smith's wild singing and disconcerting lyrics, but it also showcased inspired amateurism in the playing and an emotional intensity that recalled the Velvet Underground at its most powerful. Too idiosyncratic to be generally influential, Horses is a brilliant explosion of talent by a challenging, unique artist pioneering a sound not yet fashionable or, by general standards, even acceptable. -- Trouser Press

Shaman In The Land Of A Thousand Dances
Patti Smith is the hottest rock poet to emerge from the fecund wastes of New Jersey since Bruce Springsteen. But Smith is not like Springsteen or anybody else at all.

Springsteen is a rocker; Smith is a chanting rock & roll poet. Springsteen's followers thought he was a poet too, at first, because of the apparent primacy of his speedy strings of street-life images. But Springsteen himself quickly set matters right by building up his band and revealing his words to have been what words have been for most music all along — conceptual frames on which composers hang their art.

For Smith, the words generate everything else. Her "singing" voice has an eerie allure and her "tunes" conform dimly to the primitive patterns of Fifties rock. But her music would be unthinkable without her words and her way of articulating them — and that remains true even if they are occasionally submerged in sound. Patti Smith is a rock & roll shaman and she needs music as shamans have always needed the cadence of their chanting.

Her first record, Horses, is wonderful in large measure because it recognizes the over-whelming importance of words in her work. The words are nearly always audible, as they sometimes aren't onstage. There are occasional touches that betray the studio: an overall instrumental tightness, subtle twists and overdubs (in "Redondo Beach" for instance) that transcend the three-chord, four-man rock & roll basics that prevail elsewhere on the album. But even in the dizzying mix of two and three vocal tracks in "Land," the climactic song of the album, the raw primordial feeling of a Patti Smith club date — minus only the between-songs patter and all the quirky humor that involves — is right here. John Cale, the producer, has demonstrated the perfect empathy he might have been expected to have for Smith, and he has done so mostly by not distorting her in any way.

The range of concerns in Horses is huge, far beyond what most rock records even dream of. "Gloria" is about sex (with Patti defiantly thrusting herself into the male of the first song), pop glory and redemption. "Redondo Beach" is about a lesbian suicide. "Birdland" is about the death of a boy's father and the boy's vision of being taken up into the "belly of a ship" and rejoining his father as an extraterrestrial. "Free Money" is cosmic anarchism. "Kimberly" is about her younger sister and the sky splitting and the planets hitting. "Break It Up" is about God knows what (no doubt he/she's told Patti) — for me, it's about schizophrenic shattering of the identity as a prelude to passing over to a higher reality. "Land," the most complex of a complex lot, is about a teenaged locker-room attack that turns into a murder and homosexual rape that runs into horses breathing flames and an ominous, ritualistically intoned version of "Land of a Thousand Dances" ("Do you know how to Pony?"). And, finally, "Elegie" is about Jimi Hendrix's death.
To say that any of these songs is "about" anything in particular is silly — it limits them in a way that hopelessly confines their evocativeness. Like all real poets, Smith offers visions that embrace a multiplicity of meanings, all of them valid if they touch an emotional chord. Her poems are full of UFOs and shining light that illuminates parallel worlds, mirrors you step through and cracks in our common realities. She leaps between meanings of words like an elf across dimensions, deliberately dizzying you with crisscrossings between comfortable perceptions: you see, the see becomes a sea, the sea a sea of possibilities.

But with all her Martian weirdness, Patti Smith doesn't drift hopelessly beyond comprehension, and her music isn't synthesized neo-British progressivism. Her visions repay consideration but don't lose their immediate impact. Partly that's because she couches them in the common words and experiences of everyday life. And partly it's because she anchors her imagination with the sturdy ballast of rock & roll.

Smith's singing voice is more Neil Young than Linda Ronstadt. By that I mean that it doesn't have much range or natural amplitude or conventionally beautiful tone color. But it is full of individuality and entirely sufficient to support the intuitively apt phrasing to which it is bent.

The underlying instrumental music is the kind of artful rock & roll primitivism that has long characterized the New York underground. She has four men in her band but the leader is clearly Lenny Kaye, who has been with her since her first musically accompanied poetry reading five years ago. Kaye is a rock critic and oldies expert. The songs on Horses are co-written by Smith and either Kaye, Richard Sohl and Ivan Kral of the band, Tom Verlaine of Television (a striking, as yet unrecorded New York avant-garde quartet) or Allen Lanier of Blue Oyster Cult. All eight songs betray a loving fascination with the oldies of rock. The hommage is always implicit — the music just sounds like something you might have heard before, at least in part — and sometimes explicit.

It is Smith's elaborations of rock standards that provide the most striking songs in her repertory. On her limited-edition, long out-of-print, privately released single of Hendrix's version of "Hey, Joe," she spun a Patty Hearst fantasy full of sex and revolutionary apocalypse. On Horses she subjects "Gloria" and "Land of a Thousand Dances" to a similar treatment. Each becomes something far more expansive than their original creators could have dreamed. And with all due respect to Van Morrison's "Gloria" and all those who recorded "Land of a Thousand Dances," Patti's versions are better. The other songs on Horses aren't so overt in their appropriations of the past, although, as in "Elegie," with its return to Hendrix and a direct quotation from him, they are permeated with a feeling for rock historicism.

Smith is a genuine original, as original an original as they come. But all these debts to rock's past may make some in the rock audience wonder about that originality. And indeed, if one looks beyond rock, there are all sorts of other antecedents for her, too, and the question is whether a perception of those antecedents undermines her newness or merely places it in its proper context. The Beat poets are the easiest to spot, and particularly the Romantic/surrealist, Blake/Rimbaud sort of visionary mysticism that has always lurked behind the Beats. Such cosmic quests have rarely been prized by the establishment rationalists, leftist revolutionaries and rock & roll populists among us, but that hasn't fazed the poets much. One reason is that the whole lower Manhattan avant-garde community has for at least 20 years acted as a self-contained world, incubating art on its own. The art toddles blithely across traditional borders: poets sing, composers dance, dancers orate, painters act, rockers make art. These artists owe everything to one another and far less to the outside, even the outside practitioners within any given medium. Patti Smith cares a lot more about Lou Reed than Robert Lowell.

It hardly took Soho to think up the notion of combining words and music — that goes back far beyond Greek tragedy. But there are more immediate musical poetic antecedents. Allen Ginsberg and the Beats couldn't keep their hands off music. They read to jazz and chanted mantra fashion for hours on end. Their chanting has flowered into a whole movement among Soho artists today. La Monte Young has spawned a school of wordless chanters who move slowly and precisely up and down the overtone series of a given drone in "eternal," evening-long performances. Meredith Monk, the dancer, has put out two privately issued records and given concerts of her music, which alternates between Satie-esque little piano and organ pieces full of childlike repetition, and quite amazing chants in which her voice (a voice rather like Smith's) passes through a rainbow of aural colors in witch-doctor incantations.

Most of these efforts arise out of widespread fascination with cultures and modes of perception foreign to a Western sensibility. Young studies Indian singing: Monk's debts to primitive shamans are overt. But there is another, related kind of musical involvement that embraces the West with a violent vengeance. This is the sexually ambiguous, pornographic-pop sensibility that produced Andy Warhol, pop art, instant celebrities and the Velvet Underground.

Cale is the transitional figure here. Born in Wales and trained in classical music, Cale arrived in America from London in the early Sixties, studied with Iannis Xenakis in Tanglewood, and eventually gravitated to lower Manhattan and Young's circle, where he spent a couple of years doing Young's kind of quiescent. Orientalized avant-gardism. But by the mid-Sixties his own, rather more pop self began to emerge, and along with Lou Reed he founded the Velvet Underground, the most influential of all the underground New York rock bands.

Why were artists — Walter De Maria played drums occasionally with members of the Velvet Underground in its formative days — attracted to rock & roll? Well, first of all, by the Sixties it was as integral a part of the American consciousness as soup cans and a lot more powerful than they were. It epitomized rebellious violence that mirrored the meditative quiescence that other avant-gardists were sinking into, and it did so with flash and perverse style. Equally important, its simplicity of structure evoked a response in artists caught up in an aesthetic of minimalism and structural process. The other kind of intellectually respectable popular music, jazz, had drifted off into an anar-chistically free chromaticism that was tied up too tightly with black rage.

But all of this, one might argue, happened in the Fifties and Sixties. Aren't the Sixties dead? Visual artists provided the impetus behind the Manhattan avant-gardism of the Sixties, and perhaps they have settled down a bit now. But the kinds of activities I've been talking about here are just getting into gear, and if New York is still the center of it, the activity is really worldwide, form the English and German progressive rockers to Stockhausen's chant and ritual pieces to Xenakis in Paris to Terry Riley in Oakland. Even now, in New York, the post-Velvet Underground rock scene is in the midst of a fresh eruption of energy, with bands like the Ramones, Television and Talking Heds about to afflict themselves on the national consciousness.

Originality is always something tricky to prove. An artist's detractors rush to dredge up antecedents in order to deny the claimant's newness: the artist's fans stress what is unprecedented about their idol. In Smith's case, most of the response so far has focused on her debts to the Velvet Underground, the Stones, Jim Morrison and even Iggy Pop, while ignoring her nonrock roots. Horses is a great record not only because Patti Smith stands alone, but because her uniqueness is lent resonance by her past. -- John Rockwell, RS

The album that saved rock, spawned punk and declaimed a pure, pearly white defiance of a subversion unseen (or heard) since Elvis first sang black. It took another three years before Smith, the waif-like poetess, named herself a "rock'n'roll nigger', but the intention was always there, her dream-beat poetics articulate far beyond the shouts of anarchy! soon to echo through the otherwise empty UK. Van Morrison's "Gloria" opened Horses, transformed into a thing both blasphemous and instinctual; the title track itself was an eight minute stream-of-consciousness ending in sonic orgasm. Interviewed, Smith said she prepared for shows by masturbating before going on stage - and no-one was surprised. Sexual freedom, the motor behind 60s rock, had never been like this before. Robert Mapplethorpe took the sleeve photo, which showed Smith a creature beyond gender, the music's perfect pictorial analogue. -- THE WIRE

Patti Smith once described her artistic enterprise as "three-chord rock merged with the power of word." She didn't mean just any old words. From the very first line of this endlessly praised debut -- "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine" -- Smith uses incendiary poetry as her guitar substitute, her rage-maker. She howls. She brays. She hurls language in sprays of outrage, mocking piety one minute and making solemn prayerful incantations the next. A romantic with deep appreciation for life's beauty, Smith is also a rebel in the great rock tradition, and an artist as bent on cultural confrontation as the Beat poets were. This confluence of perspectives -- worlds not so peacefully coexisting -- is at the heart of her debut album, Horses

Horses is an unusual beast, a series of manifestos and vignettes with wild torrents of words flung against the music at odd angles. Tilting headfirst at complacency, Smith spins several images at once, while riding three chords as far away from party-time escapism as anyone's ever gone. She's so good at reanimating rock that when she seizes an old warhorse -- the Wilson Pickett hit "Land of a Thousand Dances" -- as part of her triptych "Land," it comes out all disfigured, with an almost nuclear glow.

Smith grew up in rural New Jersey and, after dropping out of college and working factory jobs, fled to Manhattan in 1967. She became romantically linked with the photographer Robert Mapplethorpe, who encouraged her to perform and later bankrolled her early recording sesions. In 1975, Smith headlined a two-month residency at CBGB; she was discovered by Clive Davis and signed to Arista Records.

This album, produced by the Velvet Underground's John Cale, was released in December 1975, and immediately hailed by critics as a major work. It established Smith as a galvanizing force, if not the most important woman in rock. The rare punk neoclassicist, she acknowledged the titans of classic rock (notably Bob Dylan and Van Morrison) while distancing herself from rock cliché. Her subsequent works, notably the big-beat-bold Easter and the poignant grief cycle Gone Again, bolster that initial impression -- even if, ironically, her legacy now extends to the fiercely independent riot grrls who were direct descendents and the even poppier Avril Lavignes of the world, who came later. -- Tom Moon, 1,000 Recordings To Hear Before You Die


review
by William Ruhlmann

It isn't hard to make the case for Patti Smith as a punk rock progenitor based on her debut album, which anticipated the new wave by a year or so: the simple, crudely played rock & roll, featuring Lenny Kaye's rudimentary guitar work, the anarchic spirit of Smith's vocals, and the emotional and imaginative nature of her lyrics -- all prefigure the coming movement as it evolved on both sides of the Atlantic. Smith is a rock critic's dream, a poet as steeped in '60s garage rock as she is in French Symbolism; "Land" carries on from the Doors' "The End," marking her as a successor to Jim Morrison, while the borrowed choruses of "Gloria" and "Land of a Thousand Dances" are more in tune with the era of sampling than they were in the '70s. Producer John Cale respected Smith's primitivism in a way that later producers did not, and the loose, improvisatory song structures worked with her free verse to create something like a new spoken word/musical art form: Horses was a hybrid, the sound of a post-Beat poet, as she put it, "dancing around to the simple rock & roll song."

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

HORSES!

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

Btw isn't Electric Wizard from Birmingham? Meaning... not much has changed.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link

no

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

so in conclusion

paranoid TOO LOW
alien soundtracks TOO LOW
sad wings of destiny TOO LOW
suicide TOO LOW

thanks and good night

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link

but we're taking it down to 31 tonight!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link

34. WIRE Pink Flag (3399 Points, 29 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #5 for 1977 , #170 overall | Acclaimed: #241 | RS: #410 | Pitchfork: #22

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The simultaneous rawness and detachment of this debut LP returns rock and roll irony to the (native) land of Mick Jagger, where it belongs. From a formal strategy almost identical to the Ramones, this band deducts most melody to arrive at music much grimmer and more frightening: Wire would sooner revamp "The Fat Lady of Limbourg" or "Some Kinda Love" than "Let's Dance" or "Surfin' Bird." Not that any of the twenty-one titles here have been heard before--that would ruin the overall effect of a punk suite comprising parts so singular that you can hardly imagine them in some other order. Inspirational Prose: "This is your correspondent, running out of tape, gunfire's increasing, looting, burning, rape." A -- R. Christgau

"Pink Flag represents British punk rock trying to climb out of a hole, and the hole, as perceived by Wire, seems to be punk rock itself. Wire has mastered the form, and brilliantly--the songs are intelligent, lively, hard and playful--but they convey little commitment to the form, and that may be why Pink Flag sounds much more impressive on first listening than on tenth. Satisfying on some formal level, it's never moving; the band doesn't dramatize itself right off the album, as great rockers always do." You hear cleverness, wit, irony, but not personality.

Pink Flag includes twenty-one songs that cover ground more than they stake it out. Most punk themes are touched on: war, TV, sex-hatred, antigirlness, Gray Flannel Suitism, yellow journalism, the basically degrading but somehow liberating quality of modern life and all its attendant artifacts. Wire has its own brittle sound, but inside that sound you hear both frustration with punk limits and a band showing off: bits of the Who, of "Wild Thing," lines suggested by the gaps in "A Day in the Life," delightfully laconic echoes of mid-Sixties Dylanish punk (the perfect, pop-styled "Mannequin" recalls not only the Syndicate of Sound's "Little Girl" but the Byrds' "Why"). None of it cuts.

Wire isn't ominously Blank, but almost hysterically Opaque. The first-rate guitar and the amused, pissed-off singing distract you from the lyrics (as they should), but the lyrics seem less revaltory than teasing, or maybe just pointless. "I was sold up the river, to the red slave trade," you hear; "the stores were gathered, the plans were laid, synchronized watches, at 18.05, how many dead or alive, in 1955." What does "1955" refer to, do you think? The signing of the Warsaw Pact? The year the singer was born? Or a rhyme with "alive"?

WE ARE SMART AND WE WANT OUR FREEDOM is what Wire is saying on this record, and they'll get it: they're pointed straight toward art rock, and in three years, if they last that long, we'll probably think of them as the Pink Floyd of punk. By that time, Pink Flag may sound like a classic of the genre it wants to escape: fully limited, fully realized and not half so uncertain of its intentions as it seems today. -- Greil Marcus, RS

Released at the end of 1977, Pink Flag was a bluntly original statement, perhaps more than any other record issued in that pivotal year. Greil Marcus would go on to spend the entirety of the 1980s writing Lipstick Traces, a book about the UK punk movement, but his initial reaction to one of the most crucial records from the first wave was bafflement. 

Pink Flag was #410 on RS's 500 greatest albums list. -- schmidtt, Rolling Stone's 500 Worst Reviews of All Time.

This band Wire, we got their record Pink Flag, and these cats didn’t know how to play, they were like art students or something. And it was just this fucking lightbulb over our heads. We said, “Man, if we do this, people will never know that we used to like Blue Oyster Cult.” -- Mike Watt, Minutemen/Firehose

The average person on the street has never heard of Wire, yet their presence is ubiquitous. Their songs were covered by Minor Threat, R.E.M., Henry Rollins and Fischerspooner. Elastica plagiarized them. They influenced the Minutemen, Mission of Burma, The Cure, U2, Simple Minds, Sonic Youth, Blur, Sleater-Kinney, and even Pavement and Guided By Voices. In 1996, 21 artists covered Wire songs on Whore: Various Artists Play Wire, which even extracted a cover by My Bloody Valentine . What’s remarkable is none of them sounded alike. Like The Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart and Mission Of Burma, Wire’s influence was in their innovation, not a particular style that could be copied. Which is why they sound more fresh today than all their contemporaries.

In the post-punk bible, Rip It Up And Start Again, Simon Reynolds singled out Wire’s distinctive features down to method and design. As a student at progressive art school Watford, Colin Newman met Brian Eno, who was lecturing and working on projects at the school. He also met Bruce Gilbert, a 30-year old abstract painter who worked as an audio-visual technician at the school. Graham Lewis was a fashion designer. After ousting their more traditional rock ‘n’ roll singer, Wire quickly formed a cohesive aesthetic involving a strong sense of geometry and simplicity, from their simple chords to visual art to their stark monochrome clothes and harsh white stage lighting. On Pink Flag they dismantled traditional rock songs, tossed away the solos and choruses, cut and pasted lyrics into enigmatic koans, and created terse, spare songs that were at once compressed, but allowed for plenty of space between notes. “Reuters” starts out the album with a thick, menacing one-chord guitar, ruminating on war and violence at a funeral pace. “Field Day For The Sundays” comes and goes in a startling 28 seconds, false ending and all. Further surprises are how nearly delicately beautiful their pop songs can be (“Ex Lion Tamer,” “Fragile” and “Mannequin”). While the band may have started out as very rudimentary musicians, they clearly have a knack for hooks, details and even melodies. -- Fastnbulbous


review
[-] by Steve Huey

Perhaps the most original debut album to come out of the first wave of British punk, Wire's Pink Flag plays like The Ramones Go to Art School -- song after song careens past in a glorious, stripped-down rush. However, unlike the Ramones, Wire ultimately made their mark through unpredictability. Very few of the songs followed traditional verse/chorus structures -- if one or two riffs sufficed, no more were added; if a musical hook or lyric didn't need to be repeated, Wire immediately stopped playing, accounting for the album's brevity (21 songs in under 36 minutes on the original version). The sometimes dissonant, minimalist arrangements allow for space and interplay between the instruments; Colin Newman isn't always the most comprehensible singer, but he displays an acerbic wit and balances the occasional lyrical abstraction with plenty of bile in his delivery. Many punk bands aimed to strip rock & roll of its excess, but Wire took the concept a step further, cutting punk itself down to its essence and achieving an even more concentrated impact. Some of the tracks may seem at first like underdeveloped sketches or fragments, but further listening demonstrates that in most cases, the music is memorable even without the repetition and structure most ears have come to expect -- it simply requires a bit more concentration. And Wire are full of ideas; for such a fiercely minimalist band, they display quite a musical range, spanning slow, haunting texture exercises, warped power pop, punk anthems, and proto-hardcore rants -- it's recognizable, yet simultaneously quite unlike anything that preceded it. Pink Flag's enduring influence pops up in hardcore, post-punk, alternative rock, and even Britpop, and it still remains a fresh, invigorating listen today: a fascinating, highly inventive rethinking of punk rock and its freedom to make up your own rules. [The original 1989 CD issue by Restless Retro features a bonus track, "Options R."]

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link

AG: dl'd the NWW back in October w/ high hopes, but didn't vote f/ it. seems a bit taken w/ cliched dadaism/post-industrial collage/arthouse sound-installation beard-stroking (of which it may be an influential ur-document, but I remain unstirred, though I'll give it another shot). (how or why anyone voted f/ it above Suicide, Chrome, Throbbing Gristle, No New York, etc. is a complete mystery).

Hellhouse, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

Pink Flag's songs never leapt out at me like those on the two subsequent albums (and on the 00's stuff). I suppose I'd better give it another listen!

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, it's good, but I reckon it gets more props simply for being first

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I think you better give it another listen

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

is that to both hellhouse and imago?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

but we're taking it down to 31 tonight!

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:34 PM (6 minutes ago)

oh in that case

pink flag TOO LOW

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

imago, NWW never did much for me tbh

xp

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

on it now :)

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link

yeah wire in general too low, my pick for best three album run by a rock band ever

balls, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link

All of these albums are too low. Can we just have a big tie for first place and give everyone a banana sticker for participating?

Moodles, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't notice NWW on the ballot. it might have been one place higher if i had.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link


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