ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

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What insights has anyone gained from Christgau's reviews of mainstream hard rock and prog albums? (I AM able to gain something from his writing on indie rock or electronica, for example.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

christgau's dismissive style is fucking bullshit

^^^see what I did there

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

No insights other than that Dave Marsh was right when he characterized Xgau's attitude towards hard rock/metal as "bigoted."

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

44. SEX PISTOLS Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols (3030 Points, 22 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #27 for 1977 , #879 overall | Acclaimed: #10 | RS: #41 | Pitchfork: #51

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Get this straight: no matter what the chicmongers want to believe, to call this band dangerous is more than a suave existentialist compliment. They mean no good. It won't do to pass off Rotten's hatred and disgust as role-playing--the gusto of the performance is too convincing. Which is why this is such an impressive record. The forbidden ideas from which Rotten makes songs take on undeniable truth value, whether one is sympathetic ("Holidays in the Sun" is a hysterically frightening vision of global economics) or filled with loathing ("Bodies," an indictment from which Rotten doesn't altogether exclude himself, is effectively anti-abortion, anti-woman, and anti-sex). These ideas must be dealt with, and can be expected to affect the way fans think and behave. The chief limitation on their power is the music, which can get heavy occasionally, but the only real question is how many American kids might feel the way Rotten does, and where he and they will go next. I wonder--but I also worry. A -- R. Christgau

Populated by such classics as "Anarchy in the UK," "God Save the Queen," "Pretty Vacant" and "No Feelings," Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols is an epiphany. Prototypical punk without compromise, it includes almost everything you need to hear by the Sex Pistols. Oddly, at the time of its release, the LP was a disappointment in light of sky-high expectations. Four of the tracks had already been released as singles; many others had circulated on well-known album-in-progress bootlegs, like Spunk. Now, of course, as the best recorded evidence of the Pistols' existence, it almost defies criticism. Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Johnny Rotten (Lydon) and Sid Vicious (plus Glen Matlock, the original musical architect and songwriter, who was sacked early on, allegedly for liking the Beatles but more practically for valuing pop over posing) combined to produce a unique moment in rock history and Bollocks is the evidence. -- Trouser Press

When the father-house burns...
Young men find blisters on their hearts.
-- Old Ukranian Proverb

If it's not clear to you now, it's going to be: the rock wars of the Seventies have begun, and the Sex Pistols, the most incendiary rock & roll band since the Rolling Stones and the Who, have just dropped the Big One on both the sociopolitical aridity of their native England and most of the music from which they and we were artistically and philosophically formed. While a majority of young Americans are probably going to misunderstand much of the no-survivors, not-even-us stance of the punk-rock New Wave anarchy in the U.K. (compared to which, the music of the Ramones sounds like it was invented by Walt Disney), none of us can ignore the movement's savage attack on such stars as the neoaristocratic and undeniably wealthy Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, Elton John, et al., whose current music the Pistols view as a perfect example of jet-set corruption and an utter betrayal of the communal faith. It's obviously kill-the-father time in Great Britain, and, if this is nothing new (after all, Jimmy Porter, England's original Angry Young Man, spewed forth not unlike Johnny Rotten as far back as 1956 in John Osborne's Look Back in Anger), it certainly cuts much deeper now because conditions are unquestionably worse. And when one's main enemy is an oppressive mood of collective hopelessness, no one learns faster from experience than the would-be murderer of society, I suppose.

In a commercial sense, however, the Sex Pistols will probably destroy no one but themselves, but theirs is a holy or unholy war that isn't really going to be won or lost by statistics, slick guitar playing or smooth studio work. This band still takes rock & roll personally, as a matter of honor and necessity, and they play with an energy and conviction that is positively transcendent in its madness and fever. Their music isn't pretty — indeed, it often sounds like two subway trains crashing together under forty feet of mud, victims screaming — but it has an Ahab-versus-Moby Dick power that can shake you like no other music today can. It isn't particularly accessible either, but, hard to believe and maybe not true, record sales apparently don't mean much to the Pistols. (They never do when you don't have any.)
It seems to me that instead of exploiting the commercial potential of revolution, the Sex Pistols have chosen to explore its cultural possibilities. As Greil Marcus pointed out, they "have absorbed from reggae and the Rastas the idea of a culture that will make demands on those in power which no government could ever satisfy; a culture that will be exclusive, almost separatist, yet also messianic, apocalyptic and stoic, and that will ignore or smash any contradiction inherent in such a complexity of stances. — 'Anarchy in the U.K.' is, among other things, a white kid's 'War ina Babylon.'"

But before we make the Sex Pistols and their cohorts into fish-and-chips Zapatas, and long before sainthood has set in on Johnny Rotten, we should remember that this band has more on its mind than being a rock & roll centerpiece for enlightened liberal discussion. First of all, they're musicians, not philosophers, so they're probably more interested in making the best possible mythopoeic loud noise than they are in any logical, inverted political scripture. They're also haters, not lovers, a fact that may worry many Americans since the idea of revolution in this country is usually tinged with workers-unite sentimentality and the pie in the sky of some upcoming utopia. Johnny Rotten is no Martin Luther King or Pete Seeger — he's more like Bunuel or Celine. He looks at it all and sees right through it, himself included. While he's ranting at England ("a fascist regime") and the Queen ("She ain't no human being"), he doesn't exactly spare his own contingent: "We're so pretty, oh so pretty — we're vacant — and we don't care."

Musically, Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols is just about the most exciting rock & roll record of the Seventies. It's all speed, not nuance — drums like the My Lai massacre, bass throbbing like a diseased heart fifty beats past bursting point, guitars wielded by Jack the Ripper-and the songs all hit like amphetamines or the plague, depending on your point of view. Rotten's jabbing, gabbing vocals won't leave you alone. They either race like crazed, badly wounded soldiers through fields of fire so thick you can't tell the blood from the barrage, or they just stand there in front of you, like amputees in a veterans' hospital, asking where you keep the fresh piles of arms and legs.

Johnny Rotten may be confused, but he's got a right to be. He's flipped the love-hate coin so often that now it's flipping him. Overpowered by his own psychic dynamite, he stands in front of the mirror, "in love with myself, my beautiful self," and the result is "No Feelings." You say, "Holidays in the Sun," and he says, "I wanna go to the new Belsen." On "Bodies," he doesn't know whether he's against an abortion ("screaming bloody fucking mess") or whether he is one. Rotten seems to stroll right through the ego and into the id, and then kick the hell out of it. Talk to him about relationships and you get nowhere: "See my face, not a trace, no reality."

That said, no one should be frightened away from this album. "Anarchy in the U.K." and especially "God Save the Queen" are near-perfect rock & roll songs, classics in the way the Who's "My Generation" and the Rolling Stones' "Satisfaction" are. And, contrary to popular opinion, the Pistols do have a sense of humor. They're forever throwing out musical quotes, many of them outlandish (the beginning of "Pretty Vacant" echoes the Who's "Baba O'Riley," the chorus on "EMI" is a direct steal from Jonathan Richman's "Road Runner," and "New York" completely trashes the Dolls' "Looking for a Kiss"), from groups they obviously at least half admire. If Graham Parker can come away from a Sex Pistols concert saying it was just like seeing the Stones in their glorious early days, just how many contradictions are we talking about?

Those who view the Sex Pistols only in eve-of-destruction terms should remember that any theory of destruction as highfalutin as Rotten's also contains the seeds of freedom and even optimism. Anyone who cares enough to hate this much is probably not a nihilist, but — irony of ironies — a moralist and a romantic as well. I believe it when Johnny Rotten screams, "We mean it, man," in conjunction with destruction, but, in a way, his land's-end, "no future" political position is the most desperately poetic of all. We want to destroy everything, he says, and then see what's left. My guess is that he believes something will be. -- Paul Nelson, RS

In a decade of social unrest, the grey façade of 1970s Britain was crumbling under high unemployment and apathy. The entire country seemed in a state of cold turkey, the optimism of the 1960s a distant memory. Along came a kick in the balls, literal as well as titular.

As soon as the Pistols played their first gigs, their notoriety was in danger of surpassing the music. This was a feeling intensified by Jamie Reid's luminous cover. With its iconic logo and use of an expletive, stores refused to stock it and a court case came to pass (dismissed after Richard Branson called in a linguistics professor to testify to the non-obscene origins of the word). With style about to overshadow substance, the marching steps that introduce "Holidays In The Sun" were a venomous reminder that beneath the artwork was an album that was about to alter our perception of music, fashion, and generational attitudes.

There is the ferocity of "Bodies," with its abortion-based theme, and Steve Jones' simple but devastatingly effective riff on "Pretty Vacant," which gave hope to useless guitarists everywhere.

"Anarchy In The UK," of course, is the album's most famous rallying cry but "God Save The Queen" matches it all the way as an epicenter of anger. Johnny Rotten bends and sculpts every note into a vituperative, royalty-aimed arrow. Few moments from popular music can ever match Rotten's guttural cry of "no future for you." Years of misery for the nation's youth were encapsulated right there and then. -- Ali MacQueen, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die,


review
[-] by Steve Huey

While mostly accurate, dismissing Never Mind the Bollocks as merely a series of loud, ragged midtempo rockers with a harsh, grating vocalist and not much melody would be a terrible error. Already anthemic songs are rendered positively transcendent by Johnny Rotten's rabid, foaming delivery. His bitterly sarcastic attacks on pretentious affectation and the very foundations of British society were all carried out in the most confrontational, impolite manner possible. Most imitators of the Pistols' angry nihilism missed the point: underneath the shock tactics and theatrical negativity were social critiques carefully designed for maximum impact. Never Mind the Bollocks perfectly articulated the frustration, rage, and dissatisfaction of the British working class with the establishment, a spirit quick to translate itself to strictly rock & roll terms. the Pistols paved the way for countless other bands to make similarly rebellious statements, but arguably none were as daring or effective. It's easy to see how the band's roaring energy, overwhelmingly snotty attitude, and Rotten's furious ranting sparked a musical revolution, and those qualities haven't diminished one bit over time. Never Mind the Bollocks is simply one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

IMO the main point of music criticism is to introduce you to things you didn't know about but might like, as well as highlight problems or issues with the music you love that you should probably think about (being too slow is a dumb one though -- Xgau obviously not brilliant enough to envision the rise of doom metal), and finally - to make you think about music rather than just enjoy it on a visceral level. Good criticism hits these points IMO.

Many people enjoy not *thinking* about music, but I think it enriches the experience.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link

anyway, Soft Machine's Third was my #2. very pleased it's made the top 50. wondrous exploration of what can be expressed through music. youth, sex, the cosmos, the unknown, the longing that can't be worded...

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link

And here we go the -- the album that "invented" punk that was also carefully crafted and marketed like any other unit shifter...

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link

Argus, a mystical concept album, anchored Wishbone Ash firmly in the map of British PRog Rock...the subjects discussed are knights, kings and medieval battles.....these hobbitloving Limey tossers can fuck right off back to Narnia.. D- --R. Christgau

Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

No insights other than that Dave Marsh was right when he characterized Xgau's attitude towards hard rock/metal as "bigoted."

― Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat),

Agreed, especially since Xgau appreciated meat-head lyrics and repetitive riffs as long as they weren't clothed in denim and leather...

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

xgau is worried oh noes

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

as well as highlight problems or issues with the music you love that you should probably think about

that's weird to me. never had that experience. I can't even comprehend how that would work other than maybe pointing out plagiarism or something. have you really reconsidered your opinion of music that you loved because of a writer?

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha see the Christgau review of Wishbone does exactly what I described -- derides the aspects of the album the fans love the most, medieval/fantasy escapism...

But what is so wrong with loving a Hobbit???? Now that's being bigoted...

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

xp(s) I can't think of any specific examples wk, but I have definitely thought differently about albums when themes were explained via a critic that were ie. fascist, neo-nazi, sketchy in that way... I'm pretty dense in that way so sometimes it helps for a 2nd party to point that out to me.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

ah that makes sense. so not musical problems or issues, but problematic ideological stuff.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

43. LED ZEPPELIN Led Zeppelin IV (3070 Points, 20 Vots, 2 #1s)
RYM: #1 for 1971 , #13 overall | Acclaimed: #31 | RS: #66 | Pitchfork: #7

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More even than "Rock and Roll," which led me into the rest of the record (whose real title, as all adepts know, is signified by runes no Underwood can reproduce) months after I'd stupidly dismissed it, or "Stairway to Heaven," the platinum-plated album cut, I think the triumph here is "When the Levee Breaks." As if by sorcery, the quasi-parodic overstatement and oddly cerebral mood of Led Zep's blues recastings is at once transcended (that is, this really sounds like a blues), and apotheosized (that is, it has the grandeur of a symphonic crescendo) while John Bonham, as ham-handed as ever, pounds out a contrapuntal tattoo of heavy rhythm. As always, the band's medievalisms have their limits, but this is the definitive Led Zeppelin and hence heavy metal album. It proves that both are--or can be--very much a part of "Rock and Roll." A -- R. Christgau

It might seem a bit incongruous to say that Led Zeppelin -- a band never particularly known for its tendency to understate matters -- has produced an album which is remarkable for its low-keyed and tasteful subtely, but that's just the case here. The march of the dinosaurs that broke the ground for their first epic release has apparently vanished, taking along with it the splattering electronics of their second effort and the leaden acoustic moves that seemed to weigh down their third. What's been saved is the pumping adrenalin drive that held the key to such classics as "Communication Breakdown" and "Whole Lotta Love," the incredibly sharp and precise vocal dynamism of Robert Plant, and some of the tightest arranging and producing Jimmy Page has yet seen his way toward doing. If this thing with the semi-metaphysical title isn't quite their best to date, since the very chances that the others took meant they would visit some outrageous highs as well as some overbearing lows, it certainly comes off as their most consistently good.

One of the ways in which this is demonstrated is the sheer variety of the album: out of the eight cuts, there isn't one that steps on another's toes, that tries to do too much all at once. There are Olde English ballads ("The Ballad of Evermore" with a lovely performance by Sandy Denny), a kind of pseudo-blues just to keep in touch ("Four Sticks"), a pair of authentic Zepplinania ("Black Dog" and "Misty Mountain Hop"), some stuff that I might actually call shy and poetic if it didn't carry itself off so well ("Stairway to Heaven" and "Going To California"), and a couple of songs that when all is said and done, will probably be right up there in the gold-starred hierarchy of put 'em on and play 'em agains. The first, coyly titled "Rock And Roll," is the Zeppelin's slightly-late attempt at tribute to the mother of us all, but here it's definitely a case of better late than never. This sonuvabitch moves, with Plant musing vocally on how "It's been a long, lonely lonely time" since last he rock & rolled, the rhythm section soaring underneath. Page strides up to take a nice lead during the break, one of the all-too-few times he flashes his guitar prowess during the record, and its note-for-note simplicity says a lot for the ways in which he's come of age over the past couple of years.

The end of the album is saved for "When The Levee Breaks," strangely credited to all the members of the band plus Memphis Minnie, and it's a dazzler. Basing themselves around one honey of a chord progression, the group constructs an air of tunnel-long depth, full of stunning resolves and a majesty that sets up as a perfect climax. Led Zep have had a lot of imitators over the past few years, but it takes cuts like this to show that most of them have only picked up the style, lacking any real knowledge of the meat underneath.

Uh huh, they got it down all right. And since the latest issue of Cashbox noted that this 'un was a gold disc on its first day of release, I guess they're about to nicely keep it up. Not bad for a pack of Limey lemon squeezers. -- Lenny Kaye, RS

Some rock stars want to do folk. Some folk stars yearn to be rock 'n' rollers. Led Zeppelin seems to want both. So much for the schizoid nature of Led Zeppelin. The group's roots have always been in hard bluesy British rock, and on this LP there are several good examples of this -- the most outstanding is "When The Levee Breaks." But, as with the third album, they have spliced in some folky things and these provide a pleasant contrast. "Going To California" is a dreamlike acoustic piece which segues in and out of the echo chamber. Ex-Fairport Convention lead singer Sandy Denny shows up on "The Battle of Evermore" lending a shimmeringly beautiful voice to what is already a splendid selection. Then, for all the no-nonsense freaks out there, comes "Rock and Roll" -- three minutes and forty of the stuff of which livin' lovin' maids are made. If you don't mind shifting moods suddenly from the heavy to the soft, and vice versa, you should find this a relatively satisfying set. -- Ed Kelleher, Circus

Call it Led Zeppelin IV, since it carries no printed information on its cover, only a picture of a bent old gent bearing a great faggot of sticks. Inside are four arcane-looking symbols that, word has it, are ancient runes that Jimmy Page may have used to represent each of the four members of the group. But the real mystery here is that the old Zepp has become so good. The group finally has made its own brand of high-volume tastelessness into great rock, and not all of it is at high volume, either. Besides the flamboyant Page solos and the typical, heavily layered sounds of tunes such as "Rock and Roll," there are subtle instrumental effects (the dulcimer on "The Battle of Evermore," for example). With "Stairway to Heaven," the group ascends into the realm of seriousness -- getting into madrigals, yet, and quasi-poetry -- and does it without stumbling. -- Playboy

At long last Led Zeppelin have produced an album that is a near equivalent of their potential. Their third album was a complete disappointment as it was their first attempt at a somewhat softer sound. The new album seems to be what they were trying to come across with on Led Zeppelin III.

"Black Dog" opens side one in typical Zeppelin style and "The Battle of Evermore" is just another of their increasing songs with hints of J.R.R. Tolkein's three book novel, Lord of the Rings. Although untitled the "theme" seems to be "Stairway To Heaven" which relates directly to the inside cover -- the most fantastic and progressive song they have written. Side two is filled with a number of assorted rockers and an acoustic "Going to California." The album ends with the heavy blues beat of "When the Levee Breaks." If Led Zeppelin disappointed you then their new album will, without a doubt, fill that empty gap to the hilt. -- Woodling, Hit Parader

Responsible for at least two generations of bedroom air guitarists, Led Zeppelin's ...IV practically defined hard rock and heavy metal. It drew on folk music, the blues, rock 'n' roll, and even psychedelia. But make no mistake, ...IV was the also sound of a band grooming itself for stadium-level success.

Riff-driven cuts like "Black Dog" and "Rock And Roll" are augmented by more spiritual meditations like "Misty Mountain Hop" and "Going To California." "Stairway To Heaven" revealed the group's increased obsession with the occult, religion, and English mythology (rumors even emerged that playing the track backward would reveal Satanic messages). Jimmy Page's performance -- especially the two fiery solos on "Stairway To Heaven" (the most played song of all time on U.S. radio) -- would influence legions of rock groups to follow, including Aerosmith, Metallica, Guns N'Roses, and Tool.

The album's mystique was increased by its cover, which features no group name or album title (hence its alternative monickers, "Four Symbols" and "Zoso," a reference to the runic symbols displayed within).

That said ...IV does suffer, if only occasionally, from overblown pretensions. While its predecessor, the predominantly acoustic ...III, was a more humble affair,...IV shows Led Zeppelin at its most majestic and indulgent, and its grandiose sound would leave them open to ridicule. Within five years, heavy rock would be superceded by punk rock, which would sound the death knell for groups like Led Zeppelin. But that was all to come. Led Zeppelin IV reveals a group at the height of its powers -- and enjoying itself. -- Burhan Wazir, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die

Contrary to received wisdom, Led Zep didn't bastardize the blues: they aggrandized them, inflated them from porchside intimacy to awe-inspiring monumentalism. Detached from their contemporary context (in which they could only seem a fascistic, brutalised perversion of rock) we can now only gasp and gape at the sheer scale and mass of Zep's sound, never more momentous than on this LP - the megalithic priapism of "Black Dog", the slow-mo boogie avalanche of "When The Levee Breaks". But Zep were more than just heavy: both "Misty Mountain Hop" (slanted and enchanted acid-metal) and "Four Sticks" (a locked groove of voodoo-boogie) sound unlike anything recorded before or since. Perhaps because of this, er, eclectic experimentalism, Led Zep actually didn't have that much influence on HM, except for odd instances like Living Coloür's fusion-metal and Jane's Addiction's funked-up deluges of grandeur. -- Simon Reynolds, THE WIRE's THE HUNDRED BEST RECORDS OF ALL TIME


review
[-] by Stephen Thomas Erlewine

Encompassing heavy metal, folk, pure rock & roll, and blues, Led Zeppelin's untitled fourth album is a monolithic record, defining not only Led Zeppelin but the sound and style of '70s hard rock. Expanding on the breakthroughs of III, Zeppelin fuse their majestic hard rock with a mystical, rural English folk that gives the record an epic scope. Even at its most basic -- the muscular, traditionalist "Rock and Roll" -- the album has a grand sense of drama, which is only deepened by Robert Plant's burgeoning obsession with mythology, religion, and the occult. Plant's mysticism comes to a head on the eerie folk ballad "The Battle of Evermore," a mandolin-driven song with haunting vocals from Sandy Denny, and on the epic "Stairway to Heaven." Of all of Zeppelin's songs, "Stairway to Heaven" is the most famous, and not unjustly. Building from a simple fingerpicked acoustic guitar to a storming torrent of guitar riffs and solos, it encapsulates the entire album in one song. Which, of course, isn't discounting the rest of the album. "Going to California" is the group's best folk song, and the rockers are endlessly inventive, whether it's the complex, multi-layered "Black Dog," the pounding hippie satire "Misty Mountain Hop," or the funky riffs of "Four Sticks." But the closer, "When the Levee Breaks," is the one song truly equal to "Stairway," helping give IV the feeling of an epic. An apocalyptic slice of urban blues, "When the Levee Breaks" is as forceful and frightening as Zeppelin ever got, and its seismic rhythms and layered dynamics illustrate why none of their imitators could ever equal them.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of ideology, Sex Pistols inspired more pages of philosophical tripe than any other band in history. Particularly from Greil Marcus and Jon Savage. Not that some of it isn't enjoyable!

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link

sex pistols and led zeppelin kinda deserve each other

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, v OTM.

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

xp to imago how so?

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

both purvey bombast without mystery and achieve their goals by accumulating as much headlong momentum as possible, yet on a superficial level would appear to be sworn enemies (veneration of technical proficiency versus slapdash two-fingers aesthetic)

i find the music both quite dull, although i acknowledge their importance to the discourse. two very simple, very prototypical rock bands.

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

*of both

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

LJ I dont think you understand rock

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

just wish more folks had recognised that VDGG were the heaviest british group of the 70s, rather than those bluesy warblers, whose music seems to me the aural equivalent of steroids

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

this is what you all get for ignoring my attempts to initiate a conversation about Soft Machine

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

conversations can only go for so long until another album places... start a thread if you have such raging boner...

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of ideology, Sex Pistols inspired more pages of philosophical tripe than any other band in history. Particularly from Greil Marcus and Jon Savage. Not that some of it isn't enjoyable!

yeah, I guess I get a lot more out of dumb fanboy ramblings (Bangs, Cope, Lipstick Traces, etc) than any dismissive negative criticism. even if it's wrongheaded and overreaching, that kind of stuff at least seems to grasp at the possibilities of pop music, whereas xgau's gripes seem more like an attempt to draw boundaries.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

xxp There are many things you could call Zeppelin, "simple" is not one of them.

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

42. MANDRILL Mandrill Is (3162 Points, 21 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #386 for 1972

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review
by John Bush

Apparently learning from the mistakes of its debut, Mandrill crafted a follow-up with fewer stylistic detours than the first record, but much more energy and greater maturity. The two singles, "Ape Is High" and "Git It All," are unhinged performances from all involved that have the sense of musical invigoration so key to a funk band -- and so sorely lacking on this band's debut. "Children of the Sun" is a somber, flute-led piece, much more assured and better-conceived than anything on its first record (it also showed how well Mandrill could've done soundtracking a blaxploitation film). The guitars are much more prominent on Mandrill Is; in fact, both "Git It All" and "Here Today Gone Tomorrow" have passages almost reminiscent of metal's heavy riffing. The first two compositions from Claude "Coffee" Cave are big successes, "Cohelo" being a traditional Latin form and "Kofijahm" a tribal funk piece. Not everything works, however: the spoken-word piece "Universal Rhythms" is a tad over-ripe, with a raft of unpoetic, pseudo-mystical nonsense over backing from an angelic choir.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

you can still discuss albums that placed already you dont need to stop posting about an album.

Just make sure you go listen to MANDRILL!!!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

neil otm btw

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

Argus, a mystical concept album, anchored Wishbone Ash firmly in the map of British PRog Rock...the subjects discussed are knights, kings and medieval battles.....these hobbitloving Limey tossers can fuck right off back to Narnia.. D- --R. Christgau

Ha, the one actual review Christgau wrote on Ash (There's The Rub) had similar sentiments, but I admit is kinda funny.

The journeyman English blues-cum-heavy group of whom it has been said: "When they come out on stage, they seem to be holding their guitars like machine guns, but pretty soon you realize it's more like shovels." D+

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

i find the music both quite dull, although i acknowledge their importance to the discourse. two very simple, very prototypical rock bands.

― delete (imago),

just so wrong

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

I agree halfway, Sex Pistols don't use synthesizers, therefore they are dull.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, the one actual review Christgau wrote on Ash (There's The Rub) had similar sentiments, but I admit is kinda funny.

The journeyman English blues-cum-heavy group of whom it has been said: "When they come out on stage, they seem to be holding their guitars like machine guns, but pretty soon you realize it's more like shovels." D+

lol, ok that's pretty good

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

41. TODD RUNDGREN A Wizard, A True Star (3163 Points, 18 Votes, 3 #1s)
RYM: #49 for 1973 , #1435 overall | Acclaimed: #753

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I'm supposed to complain that for all his wizardry he's not a star yet, but just you wait, he can't miss, the Mozart of his generation, that last a direct quote from a fan who collared me at a concert once. Bushwa. His productivity is a pleasure, but it always makes for mess. Examine the enclosed fifty-odd minutes and you'll find a minor songwriter with major woman problems who's good with the board and isn't saved by his sense of humor. B- -- R. Christgau

With each successive album, Todd Rundgren becomes more of a wizard at playing that most complex of modern instruments, the recording studio. He is, by now, nothing less than a master of the complete book of production tricks. But, ironically, his passion for asserting technological expertise has become the major stumbling block to making the one record that will finally catapult him to the "true stardom" he seems to want so much.

The fealty of Todd's most devoted fans will be challenged by the form and content of side one of A Wizard, A True Star. It is his most experimental, and annoying, effort to date.

Having demonstrated to his cult that he was capable of cutting every vocal and instrumental track, as he did on most of last year's engaging but flawed Something/Anything? (although his work on bass and especially on drums left something to be desired), Todd has now tried to deliver a tour de force in production on his fourth solo venture -- or seventh, if you are an auteurist who sees the three Nazz sets as essentially Rundgren vehicles.

Side one of AWATS, a "concept" song cycle called "International Feel (In 8)," is Todd's magical mystery tour that attempts to unify highly divergent musical and lyrical elements into a suite. Throughout the performance, more a jarring pastiche than a carefully woven tapestry, it sounds like Todd is daring his listeners to keep up with his new direction, which is both ludicrously grandiose and something of a put-on. In the second line of the title song he sings, "I only want to see if you'll give up on me." A bit of critic-baiting, perhaps?

From the same song's refrain, "but there's always more," which reinforces Todd's position as rock's most unabashed eclectic. There is always more music and production techniques that Todd can borrow, from the Spectorian psychedelic soundwall (replete with phased drums) of the title cut, to the graceful Stravinsky-Zappa synthesizer arabesques on "Flamingo" to the gorgeous chimera of "Never Never Land" (from the show, Peter Pan).

And there is still more, but most of it is dreck, such as the adaptation of the silly novelty tune "Toot Toot Tootsie" to "Da Da Dali," whose art is the visual equivalent of Wizard's first side. (El Salvador obviously provided the inspiration for the cover art.) After awhile one wishes that instead of the gratuitous use of sound, more of the record had been devoted to music.

The primary difficulties with "International Feel (In 8)," are the conspicuous absence of any fully developed melodies, save for the shimmering "Never Never Land" (which Todd sings with arresting wistfulness), the occasionally faulty intonation in Todd's singing and the garish, cluttered production. Here we have an artist who, intentionally or otherwise -- his over-indulgence seems premeditated -- has run amok. Side one is a campy catastrophe, fraught with technical brilliance and excessive and undirected egotism.

By contrast, side two ("A True Star?") fares better. Todd's excesses are controlled, his falsetto vocals have that frail and tangible quality that made his masterpiece, The Ballad of Todd Rundgren so haunting and the music is considerably more listenable.

"Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel" is classic Rundgren. The singer is bewildered, hurt and frightened by the world but does not want to admit to his friends that he is baffled and alone. Todd uses a ten-piece backup band to play more than a secondary role in relation to studio pyro-technics. The horns build and release tension expertly as Todd confesses his self-doubts.

The highlight of the record, however, is the Soul Medley, in which Todd plays tribute to the Impressions, the Miracles, the Delphonics and the Capitols. The first three selections, "I'm So Proud," "Ooh Baby Baby" and "La La Means I Love You," feature Rundgren's plaintive singing that conveys a feeling of a kid vocalizing along with the originals late at night, fantasizing about crooning to his dream girl. The lovely synthesizer and harpsichord arrangements reveal Todd's respect for Stevie Wonder's recent recordings.

"Cool Jerk" is a sprightly send-up of the Capitol's dance party hit, done in jerky, thoroughly undanceable 7/4 time. Similarly, "Hungry For Love," with its Leon Russell piano style and "Is It My Name," a guitar rave-up that recalls Nazz' rampaging "Under The Ice," illustrate the wide gap between the puerile silliness of side one and the inspired fun on the second side.

Todd's love song, "I Don't Want to Tie You Down," sounds forced and a bit too gossamer but the finale, "Just One Victory" (whose melody line harkens back to "Birthday Carol" on the Runtalbum) is a production masterwork, characterized by the subtle touches such as glockenspiels, bongos and ornate backing vocals that made The Ballad of Todd Rundgren such a delight.

I doubt that even the staunchest Rundgren cultists will want to subject themselves to most of the japery on side one, which would be better suited for a cartoon soundtrack. One the other hand, side two's restraint, its brimming good humor and its ambience of innocence is irresistible, and helps save A Wizard, A True Star from total disaster. -- James Isaacs, RS

Todd Rundgren's new one contains 11 cuts and 53 minutes of music on one disc. A Wizard/A True Star is the usual maddening Rundgren smorgasbord of campy, cutesy-poo rock, pop harmonies, sweet shrillness, Alice Cooper visuals, tape tricks and farts. It's, maybe, the Todd Rundgren philosophy, as in "Just One Victory" and, to an extent, in the hard-rock "Is It My Name?" and in the repetitive strangeness of "Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel," all of which are from the flip side. The first side is even more weird, incoherent, funny and, somehow, brilliant. Todd is surely not, as one of his titles would have it, "Just Another Onionhead." – Playboy

Todd Rundgren's 1973 was clearly like no one else's. He was riding high on a wave of apparently boundless talent. He had been hoping to follow up Something/Anything? with yet another double album, but the oil crisis led to a vinyl shortage. Always one to embrace limitations, Rundgren took on a different project: a 19 to 24 track (depending on how you count) album, which, like all of Rundgren's work, showcased his exceptional abilities as a vocalist and musician, at the same time as it challenged and delighted his audience.

"There are no limitations as to what is sung about or what the music sounds like, or how long it is...or whether it is even music at all," he said at the time. So, "When The Shit Hits the Fan" harks back to Pet Sounds; "Zen Archer" (a longtime live favorite in the Seventies) is a long, loping foray into cosmic pop, all falsetto and flair. "Rock And Roll Pussy" was, apparently, about John Lennon -- famously having his "lost weekend" year in L.A. at the time; the two had a public spat about Rundgren's pronouncements on Lennon's behavior.

Jumping between styles and sounds, the album is hard to digest at first, but Rundgren's great strength is his ability to write incredible songs. The intricacy of the die-cut original sleeve does not translate well to CD: the theme, clearly, is mirrors, and there is a coded message on the front which might merely be the album title in pseudo-runes -- but who really knows? -- David Nichols, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die


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[-] by Stephen Thomas Erlewine

Something/Anything? proved that Todd Rundgren could write a pop classic as gracefully as any of his peers, but buried beneath the surface were signs that he would never be satisfied as merely a pop singer/songwriter. A close listen to the album reveals the eccentricities and restless spirit that surges to the forefront on its follow-up, A Wizard, a True Star. Anyone expecting the third record of Something/Anything?, filled with variations on "I Saw the Light" and "Hello It's Me," will be shocked by A Wizard. As much a mind-f*ck as an album, A Wizard, a True Star rarely breaks down to full-fledged songs, especially on the first side, where songs and melodies float in and out of a hazy post-psychedelic mist. Stylistically, there may not be much new -- he touched on so many different bases on Something/Anything? that it's hard to expand to new territory -- but it's all synthesized and assembled in fresh, strange ways. Often, it's a jarring, disturbing listen, especially since Rundgren's humor has turned bizarre and insular. It truly takes a concerted effort on the part of the listener to unravel the record, since Rundgren makes no concessions -- not only does the soul medley jerk in unpredictable ways, but the anthemic closer, "Just One Victory," is layered with so many overdubs that it's hard to hear its moving melody unless you pay attention. And that's the key to understanding A Wizard, a True Star -- it's one of those rare rock albums that demands full attention and, depending on your own vantage, it may even reward such close listening.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

I'll probably comment a bit more later on 'finds' from the noms/poll - but damn am I just loving all of the Mandrill I can get my hands on (psych/hard rock/metal/punker/bloos/boogie head speakin' here, too ...)

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

I agree halfway, Sex Pistols don't use synthesizers, therefore they are dull.

You do know that they were originally going to call the album Never Mind The Buchlas right?

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

Soft Machine's Third makes me think 1970 was like a convergence of diverse musical geniuses (the Softs, Miles Davis, McLaughlin, Van Der Graaf, Amon Duul II, etc.) all training their third eye on fusing jazz psychedelia into some heavy cosmic shit. I'd like to think Hendrix would have scrapped most of the stuff that was issued and gone the same way had he lived.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

Actually if no-one's done it already, someone needs to do a cover album called Never Moog The Bollocks

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

Best thing about Third is Robert Wyatt's drumming, total revelation to me when I focussed in on his parts.

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

ooo-err etc

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

total revelation to me when I focussed in on his parts
lolol that's what the barefoot person said
i love the vibe in the picture of that room and i love that album, but i don't have anything partic deep to say about it

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

Moon in June is his masterpiece

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

40. LA DUSSELDORF Viva (3172 Points, 25 Votes)
RYM: #164 for 1978

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Well, where do I begin. I've had this album for several years now and I still can't get over how good it is. It IS my favourite album, whatever it is I'm listening to at the time, whether it be something as far out as our good friend Julian or as (for want of a better word) soul-less as Steve Reich, I know I can always tune in to "Viva" and be blown away. 

I first bought this record after becoming bored with the three main NEU! releases. I like NEU! alot, but for me they don't deliver as well as some other Krautrock projects. Don't get me wrong, I love all their stuff, but I sometimes feel that Michael Rother's sappy guitar parts get a bit to prevailant and much prefer the Klaus Dinger dominated tracks. So I decided to buy a La D. album. I ummed and errred for ages; the releases back then were dead expensive and I didn't want to make a choice I'd regret. Eventually I settled on Viva simply because it'd sold the best out of the three (topping 1 million copies if wikipedia is to be believed). 

I have to say, I was not impressed. On first listen I found all the track cheesy to an almost ABBA degree and really believed I'd wasted my money. Viva remained at the back of my collection for about 6 months, gathering dust, until one lucky twist. I was browsing the net and came across a webite made by Astral Pedestrian. AP is a none too famous ambient/indie artist who's two albums were released on a tiny record label for next to nothing. His music is pleasant, if a bit on the 'advert music' side. Anyway, back to the point, Astral Pedestrian highly rates Dinger's music to the point of obsession. He had written long reviews of his two favourite Dinger albums; Neondian (long out of print 80s solo album) and Cha Cha 2000 Live in Tokyo (a 90s live performance of the seminal track from Viva that accidentally lasted for a whole two discs). AP had also provided samples of one track from each album. I listened to both and instantly knew I must order both CDs. I bought Cha Cha live for an extortionate price, but even so.

Whilst waiting for my new Dinger CDs to ship to me I started listening to Viva again. Wow. How could I have owned such a monumental album without realising?

We open with the title track, a song with perhaps the best into I ever heard. The noise of a German radio football commentator getting excited as Dinger's beloved Fortuna Dusseldorf score a goal. Just as the crowd cheers the murky guitars of La D. chug in. It's not a synchronised opening, not even vaguely, which makes it special. You see Dinger (and his two co-members, Thomas Dinger, his brother, and Hans Lampe, a studio engineer from the NEU! years) never tried to be serious. The whole album contains an unmistakeable vibe of three young men having lots of fun. No drudgery in this recording process; they'd kicked out producer Conny Plank after the previous album, a liberating move. 

Viva is as much of a chantable, scarf-waving anthem as you could ever have wanted. As Dinger sings the vocals (all about peace and love and beauty, this is a highly idiolistic album, occasionally verging on cheesy, but thats the fun bit!) the choir of Thomas Dingers behind him mimic the football crowd. The instumentation is unique; the three primary instruments (bar drums, this is Dinger music after all) are synth, guitar and organ, yet you wouldn't be able to distinguish between them. They for a kind of swirling stew of beautiful and very European harmonies. Yet its not all soft, it has a punky (well, not punky but... post-punky, no.... new wavey?... no, just Dinger) edge to it and is as much a rush of energy as any pop song can be.

Viva crashes out after two minutes, leaving only the undelying organ swirl standing. Just as you think its all over a new song speeds towards you at an autobahn-worthy speed: White Overalls. It's a very catchy song, lyrically its almost comic (New style in the city / Oh yeah / White overalls/ White overalls/ White angels fly/ White overdoses/ White overdoses) but it's even more a joyous motorik outpouring than it's predecessor. A sing along and a half. A short reprise to Viva at the end and we finally fade away after waht seems much too nutritious to have been only four minutes.

Then its time for Rheinita. Rheinita got #3 in Germany at the time, but the group couldn't play it live and so did a bit of a one hit wonder. A sampled church choir laden with context-obscuring echo lead us in before suddenly cutting out to a Hans Lampe drum part of beautiful simplicity. The trademark organ/guitar/synth lineup build up, playing a raptuous melody of thirds, pure bliss. Over the seven minutes there are no vocals (all the more of an accheivement to have got it to number three, one German radio station even had it at number one for 6 months) but a piano is added and we traverse a great range of improvised melodies, all staggeringly beautiful. We fade out to birdsong (those who remember 'Hero' from NEU! '75 will be familliar) and into Geld. 

Geld is as punky as La D. ever got. Not very, but even no. A riff (again in thirds) of synth glittering introduces us before the guitars churn into action. This is angry. A protest song against monetary culture, something we can all agree with, if a bit hippyish in places (make love, make love, make love not war). Then in the middle it collapses (looooovvee is all you need, says an old Beatles song). We build back up to the original motorik splendour and the track cuts after about seven minutes. 

Now, at the end of side one. Wow. What an album. 

Then next track, and all of side two on the original, is an epic. Cha Cha 2000. Dinger made a total of seven version of this song throughout his career. The song is Dinger, Dinger is the song. The same combo of organ/synth/guitar, preceeded by a few Star Wars-esque synth laser beams lead us in. 

Cha Cha 2000
Cha Cha 2000
Cha Cha 2000
Cha Cha 2000
Dance to the future with me
Cha Cha 2000
Laser blue eyes
Can see paradise
Where the rivers are blue
And the wars are all gone
And the air is clean
And the grass is green
So get out of your car
And stand on your feet

It sounds unlikely, but this is a winning formula. We rave on in an ever faster spiral (reminds me of a mimed version of Rheinita from 1979 in which the Dinger brothers quite literally spin themselves round and round until they are dizzy and fall over) until with a scream we fall (down down down) to a piano impro part. From here we build gradually back to the original track, and before you know it, the song is over. Just trust me, it's brilliant. 

The artwork also says alot. The back of the lyrics sheet was a collage of photos of the band. They are all grinning madly and in all kind of wierd poses, all just glad to be alive. This unbounded joy is what makes Viva great. Never has such an aura surrounded an album as this. Who else would intersperce such a serious song as 'Geld' with bits of 50s doo-wap and random shreiking? No, no-one else. 

Viva started me on a long line, and I am proud to say I have joined the select club of Dinger obsessives. I have all his albums (bar the impossible 'Die (b)Engel Des Herrn', and each one is such a cut above anything else. Nothing compares to Dinger. No matter what anyone says about his work, even the 'it looks dodgy to me' late 90s la! NEU? albums and the two unofficial NEU! albums are gold. I can not stress enough how good Dinger's music is. It's hairraising and funny and hypnotic and... oh he was just amazing.

To conclude, RIP to Klaus. We may soon have two more Dinger albums, depending on whether Miki Yui and co. decide to rerelease what he was working on when he died. For all are sakes, I hope she does. – KosmischeSynth, Head Heritage


review
by Archie Patterson

La Dusseldorf's Viva crystallized Klaus Dinger's progressive rock vision into a symphony of swirling guitars, rich keyboard melodies and driving percussive beats. The magnum opus "Cha, Cha 2000," will forever stand as one of the all-time anthems of futurist rock & roll.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

I like the jazz side of the Softs and like quite a few of the post-wyatt and even post-hopper albums but my favorite part of the band is the fusion of songs and... uh fusion. so Third is kind of sad in that it marks the rift between those two sides of the band.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

Hendrix's tentative explorations of cosmic psych-prog (1983 being the apotheosis) were already incredible. Man, how I wish he'd lived. But then I'd have not been born as my dad would have smoked too much weed to work at the firm where he met my mum

(Moon In June is my favourite song of all time)

I uh need to head more German psych-rock

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

VIVA! such an uplifting album. anytime I put it on I feel like some kind of olympic superhero.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

And about Davis, any reason why Bitches Brew wasn't nominated? It was released Jan 1970, right? Cuz with Live-Evil, Big Fun, Pangaea, Dark Magus, Get Up With It, Agharta all placing, there's no shortage of Davis supporters.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

Soft Machine's Third is my favorite album by them, its incoherence is much preferable to their later more coherent and boring offerings.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link


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