Sasha on Shadow, Diplo, Eminem & Minstrelsy

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Um, a bit off-topic, but Sasha F-Jones doesn't really address any of the criticism of Diplo (born W. Pentz)and his not attributing credits on his mix cds in his New Yorker piece on Diplo and Brazilian dj, DJ Marlboro, does he?

"Since 2002, when the two began collaborating, Hollertronix’s aesthetic has become the template for modish d.j.s all over the Northeast: bumping, grinding commercial hip-hop blended with unlikely samples from well-known pop songs. Pentz is a particularly talented bricoleur, who knows how to match non-American beats (Radiohead, Elephant Man) with big-selling American voices (Lil’ Flip, Trina) and produce a sound that is unexpectedly fresh. When Interscope Records commissioned a remix of Gwen Stefani’s “Hollaback Girl,” which was the No. 1 single in the country for four weeks this spring, the company hired Pentz."

At Rothko, Pentz’s d.j. partner was not Low Budget but Fernando Luis Mattos da Matta, a forty-two-year-old Brazilian who goes by the name Marlboro and to whom Pentz has become close, thanks to the latest in a dizzying series of cross-cultural musical appropriations that began nearly thirty years ago."

steve k, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

2, I didn't say that you're insufferable. I'm just saying. I can't speak on your musical tastes. (Whoever mentioned the thing about all the #s making them feel like they're stuck on Sesame Street was way OTM.)

i mean i know more pac-was-revolutionary white guys than dipset LOL white guys (them i only know from the internet thank god) but you really think theyre equally bad?!?!

Neither is necessarily bad but about equally annoying. I say both types always seem to me to be a little too excited to interact with real life black people. Or tell you about those other ones that they know.

xpost And the cynic is me is not especially surprised that Diplo and Malboro are teaming up together now. Maybe Diplo got a little tired of the "you're just a carpetbagging white boy" grumblings.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

trife i feel you on this but i think patronizing this is REAL emotion, man, like the blues! Its about the hard life of the blacks! can be just as annoying. I'm not saying you're doing that at all obviously. But I know plenty of kids who do (and, like you, i know them in "real life" and the dipset kids from the net.)

deej.., Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mixtapemob.com/images/1lifeent_camron.gif

"Cousins, first, second, third and distant, let's have Mantan take us all the way back to a much more simpler time. A time wen men were men, women were women, and Neggras knew their place. Cousins, I want all of you to go to your windows. Go to your windows and yell. Yell, I'm tired of the drugs, the crack babies born out of wedlock to crackhead aids infested parents. I'm tired of the inflated welfare rolls while good wholesome Americans bring less and less of their paycheck home every two weeks. I'm tired, you're tired, we're all tired of these so-called bible- thumping God fearing, whore mongling Professional athletes. Aren't you tired of these basketball-dunking, football-running, hop-hip rapping ebonic-speaking sex offenders who got ten kids from ten different Ho's?"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i cried so hard at bamboozled!

ok, 1st thing and this is experience talking so its limited, but this big over pac shit has dick to do w cleverness or melodrama. 2 otm. its just some efficient we cn buy ready to die and be thru w them bullshit. i heard a ton of live pac and big w bonethugs gettin rides w kids in the midwest, no limit too, pun, whatever, but i think to this post or retrospective audience the pac cds are recursive and infinite, untouchable, parentheses like um the quote crack problem, and if you just look at the music videos, pac ridin thru the dust, little preadolescent posthumous notorious clean as fuck, that its most of all a class thing? big rappin abt videogames, plus shakier body image, coffin speculation

earlier today i ws reading this twelve year old luc sante review of clockers and obv much shit has changed not least the way ppl wanna fuck w rap in terms of persona but i like the spirit, the caution

"Still, what engages the reader is not merely the mechanism of the mystery but the depth and spaciousness of the depictions. The book's chief pleasure lies in recognition, that lure of naturalism rendered suspect by modernism, the immediate identification of people, places, and things we've maybe only glimpsed peripherally in life, but which are here suddenly presented in rounded trompe l'oeil, not to mention trompe l'oreille. There is, of course, more than a hint of voyeurism in our appreciation of this vantage."

"The surface particulars of the inner-city experience have been represented with varying degrees of glibness so many times that they have become hollow conventions in the minds of most people who do not live there, no more substantial than the main street of Dodge City or the floor of Doc Holliday's saloon, so that their bona fide counterparts on the evening news can be briefly perceived and then dismissed as abstractions."

"After all, while fiction may be fiction and owe no fealty to the matter it transforms, a novel that depicts an ongoing disaster bears a special responsibility. Price's intentions are entirely noble, and his skills are more than sufficient to give them force. It may be, however, that no intentions or skills can contend with the poverty of realism in an age of documentary saturation. It may seem unfair to cavil this way at Price's large achievement, but then it may be a measure of its success that it suggests a further step: that the reader, who can so easily and passively consume the experience of the novel, be made to work for it."

006 (thoia), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
http://www.ninjatune.net/qtvideos/epks/diplo_epk.mov

Has anyone on ILM commented on the fact that Diplo's Electronic Press Kit makes heavy usage of footage of his djing a mostly black high school dance?

Seems to be working on a couple of levels: first, it's a kind of lo-fi, anti-rockstar-rockstar sensibility "Haha I'm playing at a high school, etc." But more importantly, it gives him the "Black People Seal of Approval" -- the same one Eminem needed to launch his career as the first white rapper to escape the gravity of Vanilla Ice. Look, they're dancing to it! They like it! And it also reaffirms his image as a merchant of music raw, exotic and sexual ("look at the freaky dances they do!".)

And yet I have to admit my first reaction to the video was just that I really liked it. In fact I watched it a bunch of times. It made me want to dance. It made me want to have more fun in general. And I think what saves the whole thing from being COMPLETELY condescending is that a lot of the footage is just about kids having fun and acting goofy.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
hey babies remember that "since age 12 i thought i was someone else cuz I hung my original self from the top bunk with a belt"???? i think the real issue here is that man cannot posess a proper centrified gravity unless his waistline is at his balls. Your thoughts?

66666 (pds37), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

the revive that had to be made

gershy, Friday, 19 October 2007 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link

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BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link

can't we turn our attention to freeing t.i.?

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/z/fotos/zhu_rongji.jpg

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:55 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.nsbd.gov.cn/zx/ldzjt/images/17.jpg

so president bush-- the first one, the old one-- says to rhu rongji, "put us in charge for three days and we'll give you human rights, democracy and a free market." and zhu rongji says to bush, "okay, and we'll give you three 河南人 and america will be GONE in three days."

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:57 (sixteen years ago) link

FREE T.I.

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link

so president bush-- the first one, the old one-- says to rhu rongji, "put us in charge for three days and we'll give you human rights, democracy and a free market." and zhu rongji says to bush, "okay, and we'll give you three 河南人 and america will be GONE in three days."

-- dylannn, Friday, October 19, 2007 1:57 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^this was actually funny.

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link

here's another bush joke, big j

so, when george bush eats at a western restaurant in washington, he's always really proper: fork in left hand, knife in the right hand. but when he eats in a chinese restaurant in washington he's got a green onion in his left hand and a bottle of tsingtao in his right hand-- like a 山东大汗.

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:06 (sixteen years ago) link

haha the joke itself wasn't funny, i just loled at the random appearances of "rong"

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't know anymore zhu rongji jokes, man.

http://news.china.com/zh_cn/history/all/11025807/20070406/images/14029511_366556.jpg

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link

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hua guofeng, the forgotten leader between mao getting put in the ground and deng xiaopeng wresting control back. still alive and sleeping at the big 17.

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.cas.ac.cn/Images/2003/12/26/1618134.535276E-02.jpg

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:13 (sixteen years ago) link

http://photo.sohu.com/20050103/Img223765752.jpg

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:14 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.tzxf.gov.cn/upload/060814083648243.jpg

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:14 (sixteen years ago) link

http://cimg2.163.com/cnews/2006/10/4/2006100401082077fe7.jpg

dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:15 (sixteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

isn't that exactly the same trajectory that Everlast and Vanilla Ice had?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 3 January 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link

Makes me think of when eminem started producing and people were like, God this is funkless. But maybe he was just embracing his whiteness lol. Message seems to be, everyone should just stick to their own. If that gets rid of Iggy azaleas shtick then great, but pushed to extremes, it seems pretty limiting.

candyman, Sunday, 3 January 2021 08:49 (three years ago) link


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