Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

welcome to the patriarchy, I guess.

I don't think it's okay to take a direct picture of someone without their permission unless they're maybe in the act of committing a crime. I see that as a much greater violation of safety & privacy.

― Walter Galt, Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

lol do u ever go outside then

Pig people are out in force on this comments thread: https://www.facebook.com/SendGrid/posts/10151502570463967

new face of corporate america. just keep your head down. if anyone mentions you for any reason ever -- chop.

'T____ H___ Check ur privieledge.

the difference between a twitter feed and a conference.

Thinking on this for a second - neither of these things is cut and dry at all. Very public conversation viewable to tens of thousands vs. overheard private conversation, etc.

i hope everyone involved sues everyone else involved until all the companies go bankrupt and their vcs go bankrupt and the banks that funded anyone go bankrupt and then a cleansing fire comes and burns babylon, burns it clean.

lol do u ever go outside then
― 乒乓, Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't get what you mean. I'm talking about taking direct photos of strangers. I see so many pics on Twitter and elsewhere where the poster has taken a pic of someone who looks funny on the tube or whatever - I think it's a serious asshole move.

i didn't know 'developer evangelist' was a kind of job now but apparently it is, perhaps that can go in the cleansing fire too

Can we please stop mischaracterizing this as if she happened to overhear dude's gross jokes? According to her account, which was not disputed by the dude making the jokes, she was talking to one dude about how they both wished they were getting more out of that particular session, at which point the dude who got fired chimed in with his "I'd fork his repo!" joke, which set off this whole thing.

Walter, twitter is a place generally accepted as a tool for frivolous chatter, that conference was a professional environment with written rules about acceptable behaviour.

Also, it's been made clear that it wasn't an overheard private conversation.

GODDAMMIT I LIKE DONGLE JOKES STOP FORCING ME TO SHOW WHY THEY'RE NOT OKAY.

I don't think it's okay to take a direct picture of someone without their permission unless they're maybe in the act of committing a crime. I see that as a much greater violation of safety & privacy.

― Walter Galt, Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

wonder if any of these people rising up in favor of the right for dudes to be all cartman-on-maury look at reddit's creepshots threads

dongle dude got off light imo. should've been executed as a cultural enemy.

wonder if any of these people rising up in favor of the right for dudes to be all cartman-on-maury look at reddit's creepshots threads

I don't know what either of the things in the second half of that sentence means.
I think the characterisation of Twitter as "a place generally accepted as a tool for frivolous chatter" is some bullshit.
I think the guy's an asshole for making a joke like that to someone he didn't know. I think she's an asshole for taking a picture of someone she didn't know. I guess that's it.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/20/playhaven-developer-fired-for-making-sexual-jokes-after-sendgrids-developer-evangelist-outs-him-on-twitter/#Twsrfa4DheaGtsBE.99

"While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes were made about forking. My friends and I had decided forking someone’s repo is a new form of flattery, the highest form being implementation, and we were excited about one of the presenters projects; a friend said “I would fork that guys repo.” The sexual context was applied by Adria, and not us."

that IS a pretty good joke about flattery

I think the characterisation of Twitter as "a place generally accepted as a tool for frivolous chatter" is some bullshit.

Why?

playhaven builds a "mobile game ltv maximization platform" to "control your monetization."

sendgrid manages semi-spam email 'newsletter' services for marketing.

ok, sexism bad. but on a broader level, these companies need to be herded into that part of California that will fall into the ocean when the big earthquake hits.

Why?

People losing their jobs over dumb shit on twitter ain't unprecedented.

dongle dude got off light imo. should've been executed as a cultural enemy.

― Mordy, Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:30 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol elmo if u don't want hostilities stop writing passive aggressive stupid strawman nonsense shit like "itt i learned that developing nations don't produce artists, thx mordy"

― Mordy, Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:34 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dongle dude got off light imo. should've been executed as a cultural enemy, thx phil.

People losing their jobs over dumb shit on twitter ain't unprecedented.

That doesn't actually address my question, but thanks anyway.

I find precedents to be a very important metric in careful evaluation regarding arbitrary human resources decisions of fuckwit employers.

That doesn't actually address my question, but thanks anyway.

Hey, I'm just guessing. Twitter is pretty much frivolous by definition but if you were arguing otherwise the blurred lines between professional/personal would be a likely angle.

Lot of people coming to the sexist threads based on a misreading of the title, just looking for some fellow feeling. Why do we have to be so cruel to them?

I'd feel a fellow. Haven't done that since college, but hey what the heck

@sendgrid supports me

free username up for grabs

OK I might've been outed as a tool of the patriarchy y/day when I thought it was a slight mountain-out-of-molehill situation but now it's a fucking mountain chain. only solution I can see is to execute everyone who has ever worked in IT. lying on the block right now, peace out guys

:(

LOL @ dongle. what a stupid word

passive aggressively taking a photo of someone at a tech conference and putting it on twitter indicates someone with a bad personality imo

but maybe I am thinking of the time this guy at walgreens let me in line in front of him for some odd reason, and then got seriously angry that I didn't thank him PROFUSELY for doing such a wonderful gesture, that he said "unfucking-believable!" very loudly and took my photo and put it on twitter. I am under the bitch hashtag somewhere, pretty sure. It's just really classless.

Careful you'll make andrew's sexist list

WOW at that dude.

maybe he is one of those very short term memory dudes who forgot he let you in front and then just saw you cut in line and has to twitter everything like that dude in memento or he'll forget, except instead of writing down what happened the only thing he twitters is "unfucking-believable" about 50x a day.

or.. maybe he is a giant ass

dude don't spoil memento

Homo, he probably can't believe you didn't gratefully fellate him for doing you that massive favour. Please tell me you reported the guy for abuse/spam?

Well now we all know about him and agree he's a total asshole so unless you can get his photo too this is probably the best internet justice you will get.

I am under the bitch hashtag somewhere, pretty sure.

tempting display name opportunity imo

you cant report someone for spam irl

to be clear, you can report hormel, if they're doing something illegal.

@sendgrid supports me

http://blog.sendgrid.com/a-difficult-situation/

Publicly shaming the offenders – and bystanders – was not the appropriate way to handle the situation.

No I think it's a pretty good idea actually, fuck you sendgrid

The terrorists have already won.

Do not ask for whom the eagle cries.

Wondering how appropriate it is for this company and the men who work there to decide what is an appropriate way to react to misogyny when it's happening in front of a woman.

^^^^^

this is making the rounds now: https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/

I emailed SendGrid via friends who worked there to inform them of the pattern: when Adria is offended, she doesn’t work within the community to resolve the problem, and how ultimately,it actually harms female developers because it forms the perception that we are to be feared, we are humorless, that we are hard to work with. I suggested that SendGrid had the resources to retrain her and teach her better techniques and that I hoped they would choose that path instead of penalty to her. This morning, they went the other way, SendGrid posted that she was no longer with the company.

ick

Something in the article stuck out like an infected zit on the end of a programmer's nose:

There’s a gentleman’s code for privacy

Gentlemen's agreements and codes are opaque and homosocial. Women never prosper when this kind of thing is in force, and women who cite them to a more outspoken woman to criticise her for speaking are at best apologists for sexism, and at worst, total tools of patriarchy. I would also argue that it is not a woman's responsibility to assuage men's irrational perceptions about their female colleagues, in addition to her actual job. Adria seems to me to be someone who has on numerous occasions expressed, in public, what her boundaries are so it could be argued that her employers already knew she was unlikely to suffer misogynist foolishness gladly, regardless of whether it is cryptic or overt.