fwiw here's the conference's official statement regarding the matter:
http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropriate.html
― open the blood gates (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
Lol at the comment
― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
i don't understand why 'don't be an asshole' is such a difficult rule for tech bros to follow. YET IT SEEMS TO BE.
― maura, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
Growing up developing electronics rather than social skills, a computer won't tell you you are being an asshole. You need to hear that stuff.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
I'm glad I was raised by ILX and not some other message board. who knows what sort of jackassery I'd be committing right now.
― Heyman (crüt), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
btw I got off on the wrong foot w/this because whatever I read first made me think two guys were having a private moronic conversation between friends, not that tweeter + guy 1 were having a perfectly civil conversation when guy 2 started his "huh huh, dicks" routine at both of them and then wouldn't shut up when she signalled her dissatisfaction. when I read this later I was like "well that changes things a bit" when I should actually have thought "well that changes things completely"
also DJP's comment re egos was totally OTM but it pushed a button re something unrelated I've been thinking abt lately plus the implied "unlike some other people here" before "I try very hard not to let my ego make me into a raging dick" rubbed me the wrong way so I apologise for going off on that conflated w/ elmo's "patronising" comment
going to sign up for lessons on not letting my ego make me into a raging dick in future
― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
our jackassery is cheeky and witty xp
btw spacecadet, it's not that it was "harassment" as much as talking like that is inappropriate and contributes to a hostile environment. No one was specifically targeted, as far as I can tell nobody made any comments specifically because they were sitting near someone who might be offended.
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
haha I am so sorry, I was going for an implied "despite what my behavior would lead you to believe"!
― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
can we please stop saying "raging dick"
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
haha
― open the blood gates (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
DJP don't be sorry, that and your post about expectations of privacy were useful new perspectives on things which had been bothering me lately (or, how I began to realise that howling daily on the IA thread about other people's behaviour is a sign that I need to check my own ego and also calm the hell down)
mh, it's not that after 15 years as an ugly shy woman in the IT industry I have never felt fucking sick of the all-lads-together banter and the big "you don't belong here" flags it puts up but unable to say so: I do totally get that nobody needs to be specifically targeted to feel excluded by that stuff. but I also think you probably don't need to spend very long at a programming conference to hear something worse than dongle jokes, and while it would be great if even the dongle jokes didn't exist, if it had been a private conversation (which it wasn't) I think that would have been a completely different case, yes
obviously there are levels, like of course a "private conversation" of rape jokes behind a woman should still be called out, and no I don't know where I'd draw the line
― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
^ otm font
― mister borges (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
firing them is obv total overreaction.
The correct pronunciation is "AWESOME overreaction", I think you'll find.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
*checks*
no
― mister borges (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
but dmac a guy who wasn't an internet feminist lost his job
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
sorry that was dickish. anyway the weight of the evidence seems to support my original assumption that taking a picture of the idiot was kind of weird
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for not putting me on this thread everyone
― maura, Thursday, 21 March 2013 03:35 (eleven years ago) link
Wait til you see how much fun the ones about gender politics are.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 21 March 2013 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
or the ones where white straighties offer us their moral rubric on hiv disclosure
― Woody Ellen (Matt P), Thursday, 21 March 2013 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
We have all of the fun here on the internet.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 21 March 2013 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
we do!
― Woody Ellen (Matt P), Thursday, 21 March 2013 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
ilx is p tame as far as these things go really
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Thursday, 21 March 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago) link
wite straighty is my yahoo handle
― mister borges (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 March 2013 08:40 (eleven years ago) link
but on AIM i'm privileged1
― mister borges (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 March 2013 08:41 (eleven years ago) link
No, definitely awesome - there are overreactions all over the place (see as noted the comments to this and everything), it's awesome to see one pointing in the right direction.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 March 2013 10:19 (eleven years ago) link
Thats not how shitty overreaction aggregation works imo but i can see the point
― mister borges (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 March 2013 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
I and two other dad associates got called "wimpy" today by a female partner for wanting to be able to see our kids every day. Like I said, I'm glad that the older generation is going to die.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
have you ever seen the tv show Damages, Hurting?
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
Should tweet her obv
― mister borges (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
;)
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
I and two other dad associates got called "wimpy" today by a female partner for wanting to be able to see our kids every day. Like I said, I'm glad that the older generation is going to die.― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:00 AM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:00 AM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ugh.
― how's life, Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah sickens me to see that type of ageism on ilx
― mister borges (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, so apparently Adria's workplace has been subject to vengeful DDoS attacks and now they've fired HER. What the...?
― emil.y, Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
jesus christ
― Darth Icky (DJP), Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah just saw that, but I'm wondering if it might be fake? Just really hard for me to believe a company would be stupid enough to fire her over this.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/breaking-adria-richards-fired-by-sendgrid-for-outting-developers-on-twitter/
Does mention the possibility that the SendGrid twitter could've been hacked.
― emil.y, Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
what the fuck is going on
― Heyman (crüt), Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
(haha no i love this thread and everyone's RATIONALITY in it; yesterday i had an Incident Of Being Called Sexist and i was smarting a little bit)
― maura, Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
Was it mentioned in this thread that she was making dick jokes on Twitter a couple of days before this?:
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
@skwashdI made it to US and A. I've received my traditional TSA welcoming - having my nuts fondled.
@adriarichards@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
It has been mentioned *repeatedly* by tiring assholes who don't seem to understand the difference between a twitter feed and a conference. And I say this as someone who supports dongle jokes.
― emil.y, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
What does that have to do with anything other than prove the point that there is a context where off-color remarks are acceptable and one where they aren't?
xp: what emil.y said OTM
― Darth Icky (DJP), Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
Fair enough. My issue with this thing, anyway, is that I don't think it's okay to take a direct picture of someone without their permission unless they're maybe in the act of committing a crime. I see that as a much greater violation of safety & privacy.
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
i just think it's hilarious that her lame blog has cloudfare and is doing a decent job of fending off the DDOS while sendgrid is nuked.
― sanskrit, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
sanskrit also OTM
― Darth Icky (DJP), Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
DDoS attacks are so lame and petty.
― Heyman (crüt), Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
welcome to the patriarchy, I guess.
I don't think it's okay to take a direct picture of someone without their permission unless they're maybe in the act of committing a crime. I see that as a much greater violation of safety & privacy.
― Walter Galt, Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
lol do u ever go outside then
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
Pig people are out in force on this comments thread: https://www.facebook.com/SendGrid/posts/10151502570463967
― DavidM, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
new face of corporate america. just keep your head down. if anyone mentions you for any reason ever -- chop.
― s.clover, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
'T____ H___ Check ur privieledge.
― Mordy, Thursday, 21 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link