I just played Chrono Trigger for over an hour.

lie bomb

fuck is challops? ilx is like hit #2 on google for challops

"challenging opinions"

best game ever anyone who disagrees can eatadiccup

imo

didnt realize D&G had been banned btw - their presence kept me from posting here for a long time (possibly an incentive to unban them depending on ur pov~)

anyway, chrono trigger - revisiting a lot of older games, or just shit in general, that i loved when i was 10, 11 years old - this is almost uniformly v.v.v.v. unrewarding. except for chrono trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's p. unique among squaresoft bullshits in that regard too. ff7 is atrocious to me today, but i could prob sit down and HELLA dig on some chrono trigger rn. everything about it is perfect *lone, manful tear trickles down face, is absorbed by neckbeard*

I played the U.S. version of this on PC. The only turn-based RPG I've ever finished. So great. Not Secret of Mana great, but great.

Re: the original post, I had a moment like that when I watched The Ring (Japanese version) with Italian subtitles in a hotel room in Pisa. I watched the whole thing, despite speaking not a word of either language. Good times.

(on ZSNES on PC)

cankles OTM

except RPG-wise I still like to play Earthbound and FF6 (the latter has fallen off more in my eyes)

wait there's a PC version of this

Using an emulator, yes. I think snes9x is the preferred one these days. I last tried to do it in 1999 or something. Shouldn't be too hard to find the ROM.

i missed out on earthbound when i was a kid - replayed FF6 last year tho, it was ok, just kinda a lot more boring and flavorless than i recall? like, why was kefka ever considered a compelling villain?

so this game IS better than all those FF games and billion RPGs that seem like they're diverting but are actually boring chores involving talking to every NPC in a village and item management?

From what I've gathered, it's one of the best implementations of the boring chore style of RPG.

because gamers were like "waaooo i can hear him laugh, motherfucker is CRAZY! POISONING WATER WAT" (re: kefka)

s1ocki, the great thing about CT is that there's virtually no running around in circles to get experience points, there's almost no item management (aside from buying new weapons when you can, and at the beginning you need to buy potions sometimes) and the talking to villagers or w/e is pretty fucknig entertaining because the settings are so interesting that they don't waste your time with MEDIEVAL VILLAGER #457 FROM THE TOWN OF LUHIM or whatever.

Secret of Mana is the best of the chore-based RPGs, but that's an action RPG like Zelda. Chrono Trigger is the turn-based RPG for people who don't like turn-based RPGs.

It's something like this, from pick up and play fun to bring a spreadsheet and a twelve-pack of Mountain Dew, imo: Zelda 3, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, all those shitty Final Fantasy games.

Re: the original post, I had a moment like that when I watched The Ring (Japanese version) with Italian subtitles in a hotel room in Pisa. I watched the whole thing, despite speaking not a word of either language. Good times.

Subtitles??? Wow! Every time I watched a film in Italy it was the same voiceactors. Maddening! Appears (like in France) the big actors are all dubbed by the same people.

I have not played CT. I do not miss GZeus but I'm sure HI DERE is regularly saddened by the loss of his friendly sparring partner...

I had no opnion one way or the other on Darramouss...

chrono trigger is secret of mana perfected - better production values, more engaging, ~*kewler*~. i played secret of mana a few years beforehand and i'd loved it, and it was certainly easy for me even as a 10 yr old to see the parallels, but CT just jazzes everything up imo

and ya, no random battles in CT - u see bad guys on the screen and u run into them to start a fight or u just walk around them to get to the next area. there's 10 different endings but unlike other multiple ending games a.) you actually want to replay it b.) the game's way easier/faster to beat every time u go thru it again.

Where does one find this CT for use on a modern system?

idk man i still play my snes cartridge - iirc there was a playstation rerelease that had gay animu cut scenes added, and a spruced up version is coming out for the DS in a coupla months (november)

I might wait for DS. Cut scenes are such a pain in the face!

http://www.chronotrigger.jp/

chrono trigger is secret of mana perfected

I disagree with this with the very core of my being. The basic reason that everyone can get behind is that CT has turn-based battles, which are tedious and fiddly. But there's more, and yeah, it comes down to atmosphere and other intangibles.

Maybe it's whichever game you played when you were 14. In my case that was SoM. Perhaps I was too old to be completely overwhelmed by CT when I played it.

well, they're close to neck-and-neck for title of most important game of my formative years, trust me, but i just thought CT was less drab and sad and also looked and sounded way better. but yeah, intangibles. also, the battles in SoM are still somewhat turn based - the fact that the game pauses when you open up the rotary menu kills any hope of frenetic zelda type action imo

did they have the rotary menu in CT? that was some totally crazy UI experimentation of the kind people get PhDs in.

no CT did not have it. but the rotary menu was a genius solution to a stupid problem (needing to go into menus too much). ct kinda eliminates the poblem by not sticking you in scenarios where you need the menu as much.

did they have the rotary menu in CT? that was some totally crazy UI experimentation of the kind people get PhDs in.

― caek, Monday, September 22, 2008 11:45 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

i dont think so, it was normal JRPG menus w/the scrolling turn-bar. in retrospect that's the other thing that really delighted me about CT, at least at that age - it was so much simpler and easier than other games of its type. it's so scaled down, it was the first videogame i was actually able to BEAT on my own. i had to watch my older brother and my dad beat SoM and i would play using their saves, cuz they were so much better than me. there's a puffed-up fischer price, safety scissors quality to CT that really helps it out in the long run imo. i remember when i first played FF6, not long after i'd been playing CT for a while (96 probably), and i remember thinking how much DARKER and adult seeming it was (lol). which was definately appealing in its own way, but when i tried playing it - OOF, it was like the hardest game in the world to me. and the amano aesthetic is sorta unnerving and surreal to a kid - still is for me, really - and it was just such a mean and unforgiving gaming experience. you'd think i'd appreciate this stuff as i got older, but it turns out FF6 was just BAD at everything it was trying to pull off. it aimed for something higher, more grand and mature, but it was just retard-o drivel. meanwhile, CT just wanted to be a shiny, flashy experience that fleshed out a smaller, simpler world (gaming-wise and narrative-wise) and ended up succeeding on all the levels that that the FF games flailed and failed at.

imo~

terranigma dudes!!!

imo, FF games fail by being boring.

I am now googling about pie menus, which are a bit like rotary menus.

tell me abt terranigma tom

actually nm, i forgot u liked xenogears - our tastes in games could never possibly mesh

fuck you! terranigma is good, it is nothing like xenogears

also this ties in to my unifying theory of gaming that i decided upon while replaying FFT last year - turns out it's not v good btw - which is that the more intricate u attempt to make the gaming experience, the more u will just end up sabotaging ur own game (or at the very least, the more complex the battle system is in an RPG or rpg type game, the easier it is to 'break' the game). FFT is drowning in options, but it's also ridiculously easy to exploit and cheese your way through it. meanwhile take a look at the first zelda - there arent many ways to cheat at zelda, cheating is basically just playing it, cuz it's so simple.

hah - reading abt terranigma now - http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/quintet/quintet.htm - i guess it has something to do w/illusion of gaia????? that game was a big deal to me when i was a kid, i might be interested in this. sell me on it, my dude!

you start out on the inside of earth and all the quests/stages are basically you re-awakening the continents, the plants, the animals, the wind, the humans, then you get to go around and there's a fucked-up ghost town section plus you rescue christopher columbus and there's a big fire that fucks up chicago and on and on. it's a blast. my only problem was figuring out what I had to do at the very very very end, I had to read gamefaqs, something about giving a penguin a flower or some utter utter nonsense like that.

and it's not turn based, it's really more like zelda in fact

Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma is prob the darkest & creepiest SNES RPG trilogy

ya, illusion of gaia was genuinely chilling & desolate - pretty unique game imo - i remember it having a weird, isolated atmosphere that made u feel like ur character was a ghost trapped amongst the living. most of the gameplay was puzzle solving and hitting blobby things with a flute, and for the ending they basically just kill you and your girlfriend (iirc)

secret of mana was v sad. listing to the soundtrack now makes me tear up: http://secretofmana.planets.gamespy.com/soundtrack.html

yeah som bummed me the fuck out too - towards the end when you find out the blonde chick's boyfriend is dead or possessed or whatever, and then you fukkin KILL HIM. dang, that was heavy as hell for a 7 year old.

was his name dylock? i cant believe i remember that, i havent played this game in like 15 years

yeah cankles otm re: IoG. not being able to go back into earlier levels was kind of a bitch but also a reminder "you're not ever seeing home again"

http://secretofmana.planets.gamespy.com/images/screenshots/screen112.jpg

crank dat mode 7!!

Phanna, Thanatos, etc.

All those villagers who just said "..."

Oh man IoG. That's the only one of the trilogy I've played but Jesus it was possibly the most I ever "felt" for a video game. Main character with my name != help. That game was the loneliest feeling game EVER.

did anyone play phantasy star II?? i think that was the only turn-based RPG i was really obsessed with

That game was the loneliest feeling game EVER.

definitely do not dip your toe in Terranigma, then. there's a bit in the desert with a girl which is pretty much the most terrifying experience I've ever had in a game. And the castle with the evil queen is also mad creepy.

lol I sound like I have a problem with women.

Ku ku ku...

opening post of this is still some sort of masterpiece

ah cool. yeah i'm not fussy about it being topdown/old-style, just looking for a similar vibe. i really miss CT but i'm not quite ready to dust down the SNES and play it again yet.

Dragon Quest XI on switch has an interesting feature which I've never tried myself: the default is a 3D world, but you can switch the graphics/level layouts over to topdown/old-style, with all the same characters, enemies, items, stats, etc.

I can't remember if you have a switch, DL, but if you do it might be a good option!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAzOLsMoojQ

sadly don't have a Switch, although might be worth me looking out for a s/h one at some point. I love my PS4 but there's something about those Nintendo games, it's a different vibe. From what I can see, most modern JRPGs are just a bit too... I dunno, there's something a bit dorky and hollow about a lot of them

i hear you

i have trouble getting through them. i also don't absolutely love playing a silent 10 year old boy who walks around with other precocious children before realizing a)he must become the chosen one, b) he has to defeat the chosen one, c) but he's not sure if he's really the chosen one. that sure is the plot to every single game of all time, yikes

persona 5 was legitimately good.

the ones without silent protags are the best ones imo (yes this excludes dragon quest. and persona. and chrono trigger.)

anyone playing the re-release of chrono cross? i'm downloading it now

ive heard pretty mixed opinions about this game and this port, so i have no idea what to expect

everyone seems to be complaining, so i'm waiting to see if it gets patches or abandoned

my first impression so far is that the game is incredible but the frame rate sucks ass. i have no idea how it compares to the ps1 original though