daydream nation

weird cut off phrase at the begining there

for the record, "providence" is a lee ranaldo composition as well.

eeeeeeee! Ranaldo

I used to like Lee better and then someone laughed at that opinion and said Lee was okay but Thurston carried the band. This was before I even saw them perform on MTV or anything. I figured Lee was the standard "lead guitarist" and Thurston the rhythm/singer guy, but when Lee got a chance to sing, it was cool sounding, like Keith Richards or Ace Frehley. Of course, this is not how it really is in actuality and after only a handful of Lee songs I realized he pretty much sounds the same everytime. But, I do like his tunes. I probably would've liked them a lot better if I never had that conversation way back when. People's words can really affect how I hear things. It's quite amazing, really.

This might prove the "non-fans"/"not that arsed" thing but I like this album a lot more (and like Evol less) now that I'm much less obsessive about Sonic Youth.

("Wet sounding" just means "lots of reverb", right?)

I think Lee's songs are AWESOME and I will see you at the pool.

xp: I don't know, DN seems pretty dry. Is there lots of reverb? It happens on jazz and blues records, too. I really have to identify the "wet" sound because I'm the one who likes it, so I should know what the fuck I'm talking about, right? ;-)

I'm not sure that DN has a lot of reverb myself. That's just what I usually understand "wet" to mean. I was trying to clarify.

I will put it on now. Nice shock after listening to Zappa.

This must be psychological. I can not explain it at all. From the first strum of Teenage Riot, I heard wetness. I waited until the drums kicked in. Sounded wetter still. Then the guitar intro saturation came in. And the drums kick in again. It sounds like a big fucking wet sponge.

Lee's songs are my favourite on all SY recordings.

ee cummings ranaldo

I just made a Sonic Youth tribute song (thanks beer + weed) tonight

:-)

The date is even announced at the beginning of the song:
http://myspace.com/rebelhairdo

The song is called "Sonic Youth or whatever..."

Listen to it and worship me.

Anyone got a spare ticket for the Saturday night?

A friend bought me a ticket for the Friday but has since passed it on to someone else...

I just saw a link to this from an Everett True article.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/43525-daydream-nation-deluxe-edition

Rating: 10.0

I don't expect to hear too many complaints about the rating above. Daydream Nation is a great uniter: You'd be hard pressed to find many fans of indie rock who don't have some love for this record. That's partly because this record is great, sure-- that's one boring reason-- but it's also because this record is one of a handful that helped shape the notion of what American indie rock can potentially mean. It's almost a tautology: Indie fans love Daydream Nation because loving stuff like Daydream Nation is part of how we define what indie fans are.

It is? I've met many pop fans and I have never met anyone who has ever had anything to say about it, let alone about how it affects their definition of indie fans. And I will give you a complaint about the rating: Sonic Youth are and always have been a load of rubbish, one of the most erroneously revered and pampered gangs of charlatans that pop music has ever seen.

why 'charlatans'? what qualities are sonic youth 'falsely' claiming to have (or have claimed on their behalf?)

Any qualities.

So in other words you don't like them.

Its more that he doesn't like that SY are identified with his beloved definition of indie and what it might constitute.

All about defining your territories.

album is good, but Sister was better

Sonic Youth are and always have been a load of rubbish, one of the most erroneously revered and pampered gangs of charlatans that pop music has ever seen.

― the pinefox, Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:29 PM (4 hours ago)

That's a bit of a backlash, but I do agree that Sonic Youth is overrated and often unlistenable.

And I will give you a complaint about the rating: Sonic Youth are and always have been a load of rubbish, one of the most erroneously revered and pampered gangs of charlatans that pop music has ever seen.

i was going to say "your loss," but perhaps there is in fact some benefit to this belief

le peenfox

dude wtf?

But yeah, DN is not my favourite by any means, Bad Moon Rising and Dirty definitely figure ahead of it, but Bad Moon Rising is also one of my favourite albums of all time (Death Valley '69 is their best song too prolly).

Glad to see someone else likes their early days - it seems like a completely different band to me.

Daydream Nation is a victim of it's own success. I love it. And I also *like* Sister.

EVOL is tops.i wish they would give it the deluxe remastered treatment that DN got.

Well, I love my scuzzy, buzzy old Zensor vinyls of 'Confusion is Sex' and 'Kill yr Idols', and remastering those would just be missing the point.

(PF: He said "indie fans" not "pop fans" and he clearly means indie in the American sense.)

And, yeah, weirdly, this and Sister are mostly the only SY albums I still listen to in their entirety. I can't totally spell out why though.

listening to this album feels like a chore, i'm much more likely to put EVOL on

hold. that. tiger.

Hah, this is like when k3vin k3ll3r wondered how anyone could possibly dislike Belle and Sebastian.

Taken as a whole, Sonic Youth is irredeemably boring and DN is a main offender on this point.

Hah, this is like when th3 l3x last wandered onto an indie thread and acted as if it had been forced upon him

Whenever i think I'm bored with Sonic Youth and maybe I don't really care about them anymore, I'll find some awesome live mid-80's video of them on YouTube and we're cool again.

i should add that DN was my original gateway into the 80's era of sonic youth so it will always be worth something to me, but it's probably been 5 years since i listened to the whole thing. i used to put 'teenage riot' or 'candle' on every single mix tape i made

That Pitchfork thing made Teenage Riot sound awful, but, you know what? It's actually fantastic. Your it!

Hah, this is like when k3vin k3ll3r wondered how anyone could possibly dislike Belle and Sebastian

ha, i suppose the angle i was going for was that the music is rather pleasant, rather than good (which a lot of it is, imo)
i like "k3vin k3ll3r" though

glad you do

still, yeah, evol bmr and sister are all definitely better than this, hell murray st and dirty are better than this, i think goo is too....

i really love kool thing tho

murray street, sister and perhaps nurse could be better than this--- wait what am i doing

let's be friends

Dunno if i'd give it a perfect rating ala p*fork, but in general this one is rated about right, methinks (i.e. it really is a goddam masterpiece and probably the best SY album. It has the highest highs, at least IMO)

There are several better SY albums than this one. One need not look too far. That said, it definitely has its moments.

Sundar: so you agree, that liking this record is part of the definition of being an 'indie fan'? Maybe it is - I guess I'm not an indie fan anymore, if I ever was. But as I said, it is not something that I have ever heard mooted or implied as a criterion.

Ha, well, I'm not sure I am either. And I guess you're right that it certainly doesn't seem to be a requirement.;) Just in my own experience, there are many people whom I would call indie fans who don't listen to it. I'll grant that then.

But by the same token are there any "indie" albums that define being an indie fan? Wasn't it just a rhetorical device used by the reviewer?

no of course not, indie is the one genre that does not have any sort of established critical canon

That movie is sure to be total trash

DN is neither wildly varied and experimental, like sister (i guess they saved the experiments & jokes for the whitey album and master-dik), nor intimate and haunting like evol. instead, it's towering, impenetrable, and very tightly controlled. the songs only wander when they intend to make a point of their wandering, the band lyrics only occasionally crack a smile, and it's very hard to tell quite what it's all about. it's easy enough to catch a few seemingly key phrases in each song, but they're slippery and oblique. the lyrics seem to be talking to themselves, rather than to you. this approach isn't alienating, in fact it's inviting in its mystery, but it does make the record seem a bit impersonal. in the liner notes, byron coley waxes mystified (and perhaps a bit conceited) about how no one ever gets the real meaning behind most of the songs - but come on dude, it's not like they were giving us much to go on.

yeah weird i don't exactly follow lyrics and it ain't like thurston lee kim exactly reward lyrical attention anyway but a record like dirty, i feel like i do fundamentally get the record on a feels level and well enough on a words level

this one, couldn't really tell ya, it's just ||\\/\/\/\||//\\/\/\/|||/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||||>

The poor boy, rich boy part of the trilogy is about Robert Chambers.

it beeetter work ouuuut

https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/l/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/14553141_1798505870434780_1004535306562568192_n.jpg

THURSTON

WATT

THURSTON

You gotta lay off the mota; your memory goes out the fuckin' window!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig_UbA5HBWI

kim's bass on 'teenage riot' starting around 5:08 so great