British Folk (and Revival)

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Oh, it's a heartbreaker that one... especially in conjunction with the "Ampleforth" tune. Then there's the "Gresford Disaster"! (Sniffles turned to floods by now)

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Also search Bert Jansch, Roy Harper.

Didn't really know there was any "revival" of British folk right now in terms of new bands playing it. I knew there was a revival of interest in the last few years, otherwise I wouldn't really know who Fairport Convention was, honestly.

I've often thought that 60s British folk revivalists treated folk music with much more respect and subtlty than their American counterparts did (who went for "simplicity" and "rawness"). This might also explain why I find Brit bands better at playing blues than their white American counterparts.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Suspect the forthcoming, budget-priced 4 CD Anthems in Eden [An Anthology of British and Irish Folk 1955-1978] should be on your wish list for the new year. From Lonnie Donnegan to Comus is a weird ride....

ortho_bob (ortho_bob), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Not to deny your 'Maria Marten' love, Pash, but I've always found that 'Poor Murdered Woman' slays me even more - it's not as weird, sure, but it genuinely affects me on a mental and physical level like little else I can think of (ie. it makes me want to cry).

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with you on that one, "Poor Murdered Woman", it's so journalistic and unsensational

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

And I might as well declare that I prefer the first Steeleye album to Liege and Lief. And Full House is also superior imo. S: 'Poor Will and the Jolly Hangman', there's little better. And I've really been getting into those Richard & Linda albums. 'Calvary Cross', ... whoah.

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Espers sound NOTHING like Fairport Convention.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

so wait, Espers are trying to sound like Fairport Convention who were trying to sound like Jefferson Airplane?

search: Shirley and Dolly Collins "Plains of Waterloo."

and sweet heavens, some forty posts in let me be the first to say the hallowed name of Davy Graham.

imbidimts, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Espers sound NOTHING like Fairport Convention.

Have you seen them? Because they fucking do. Or did when they opened for Devendra in Edinburgh. But crap.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been listening to Fairport Convention for 18 years. I've heard all of their 60s and 70s output. None of it sounds like Espers.

Espers draws far more influence from Pentangle and Bread, Love and Dreams.

Sorry. But you drew a very poor comparison.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's talk about Clive Palmer instead.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

The Unbroken Circle might interest people looking for the folk revival. I dunno, though.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Alisdair Roberts new(er) stuff is great!

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Xpost re: Dave Mattacks

Dave Mattacks was playing in bar bands here in Boston for a while a few years ago (and may still be). He was introduced to me by a friend who said "hey, you like Richard Thompson, don't you? This is Dave; he played drums with him."

As a huge fan of the complete family tree of Brit-folk(-rock), I don't think the entirely unassuming Mr. Mattacks was quite prepared for the amount of drool that ensued. It somehow seemed even bigger to me than meeting, say, Richard Thompson himself, because Mattacks defined that particular sound as much as anybody. Frankly, I think he was frightened by me.

When I asked him why he moved to Boston, he said, "just to try get gigs." As much as I know how small our idols' roles are in the world of commercial music, it was crushing to hear that out of him.

southern lights, Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i just got into a lot of this stuff, by way of bands like devendra banhart and espers. i don't think i have gone too deep, though. i have some stuff from fairport, pentangle and the incredible string band. i also bought and DLEd some cliver palmer stuff (never even heard of that guy, but saw pics of the espers jamming with him and figured i had to...).

i certainly hear influences of the old stuff in the new, but nothing too much alike. espers don't sound much like fairport to me, aside from the pretty vocals. i saw them once live and they were more weird sounding, like almost "trance" and really dark. i don't know, i have looked into them and thier inflkuences, but most of the stuff they talk about or people who like them tal about seems so unheard of or really hard to find. i don't think devendra's stuff sounds like any of it. i'd like to hear that lucky luke band.

peter x (bucksbreeze), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with you peter x. Very curious about Lucky Luke, too.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

And I might as well declare that I prefer the first Steeleye album to Liege and Lief. And Full House is also superior imo. S: 'Poor Will and the Jolly Hangman', there's little better

We seem to be agreeing on just about everything here

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Brooker, i don't really want to measure folk dicks with you: is it impossible that we heard the band playing different things? What peter said - "almost "trance" and really dark" - is TOTALLY different from what they did when I heard them. Seriously, I thought their jam was going to meander down into "Who Knows Where The Time Goes".

sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link

the only person doing it convincingly in the uk would have to be voice of the seven woods.

just not getting any of the uk folk music.

and however said that the espers sounds like bread over fairport is spot on.

18th day of may is too much of a fairport copyist band. pretty dull fair.

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

and the vashti record is pretty ... the new one .. but pretty forgettable. nothing like her debut.

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i agree voice of the seven woods are great but surely you have a conflict of interest? ;)

i have a lot of time for lucky luke..

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) Wow, someone actually criticising Vashti Bunyan! This must be a first surely?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link

shoosh you

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the only conflict of interest that i have is that i tried to sign him! he's just waiting to see what i do with the label. i have to say that the us folk is 1000x more interesting than the uk folk response.

lucky luke is dull as fuck!! its like listening to grateful dead b-sides.

dadaimus ... did you get the vashti record. its pretty. but there is absolutely nothing of substance. i couldn't remember one song after it finished playing!

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i do think the vashti is a bit thin on the ground but has some really great, haunting moments. totally different beast to the debut but like that's any big surprise

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know what the greatful dead sound like

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I've not even heard her first one! I thought she was bloody awful on that Jools Holland show tho.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

not necessarily folk but i'd throw in Alexander Tucker in with Voice of the Seven Woods who are doing it right. NOt just straight up copyists. I liked Gravenhurst but still haven't listened to their new album.

i think with Vashti -- it has that hip 'quotient' ... nobody dareth say that the album was dull as fuck because you know, its like VASHTI, and its like so awesome she recorded something.

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

... it's the Patti Smith Syndrome

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link

exactly. i liked just another diamond day but the new one? c'mon? haunting? i was only haunting by how boring it was. if she never recorded another note after just another diamond day than it would have been a perfect legacy.

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

jeez if you want to talk boring then continue on the "perfect legacy" trip

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(Someone criticised VB on here many moons ago and received a not-very-impressed email from La Bunyan herself, I understand. How exciting!)

I prefer the second Steeleye Span LP to the first, and I prefer both to Liege and Lief.

Hello Doomie!

Tim (Tim), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway frankly i blame max richter for any life sucked out of those songs. his own album was tedious in the extreme.

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I couldn't get on with the first Vashti album at all. Way too sweet and sickly for me. Not sure there's much point in me tracking down the new one.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

deal. as long as i don't have to hear lucky luke again.

its funny re: patti smith. i remember in 87 i heard about her and i was like i have to hear some of this music and i went out and bought ... the book of life?? something like that? and it was so dull. i didnt buy another patti smith album for five years.

(Someone criticised VB on here many moons ago and received a not-very-impressed email from La Bunyan herself, I understand. How exciting!)

Folk divas. I can't think of anything more boring! Hey Tim!

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

anyways, i think i like 'folk music' when it sounds like the band from the poseidon adventure rather than steeleye span!

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been shrugging at Bunyan for months now. but i find her debut insipid too.

REALLY curious about Alexander Tucker.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

sean, alexander tucker mixes ye olde folk with the dynamics of SUNN0)) ... i think he was the guitarist for them. totally freaked me out. just buy the album!

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone have an opinion about michael chapman?

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Alexander Tucker was a Brit? Or am I getting confused and thinking of someone else? Still haven't heard him anyway.

Anyone like Anne Briggs? Both squiffier and pithier than VB I think, though inhabiting a lot of the same territory.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Alexander Tucker was a Brit? Or am I getting confused and thinking of someone else? Still haven't heard him anyway.

yeah, he is. and he's like some fucked up guitar god! i can only think of him and voice of the seven woods ... i've seen so many bad contemporay uk folk acts ... devendra banhart has alot to answer for (and i like devendra banhart!)

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

If you mean 60s Anne Briggs - well, I'm not really a big fan of accapella folk singing, I can only really take it in small doses. That 70s album she did was OK, not great. I preferred Bert Jansch singing her songs (or Johnny Moynihan/Sweeney's Men)

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

If you mean 60s Anne Briggs - well, I'm not really a big fan of accapella folk singing, I can only really take it in small doses. That 70s album she did was OK, not great. I preferred Bert Jansch singing her songs (or Johnny Moynihan/Sweeney's Men)

yeah, i'd have to agree. i got some micheal chapman albums and still not sure what to think ... was he just a proto-david gray!!

doomie x, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i feel kinda bad for Sixteen Horsepower that a bunch of the american folkies are totally stealing their schtick.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link

x-posts: This one?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JAXS.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Aww, I think it's wonderful. I'm almost as fond of that as Shirley Collins. Someone else that refuses to sing anymore. Why was there this sudden loss of confidence in these people?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

See, I'm not that big a fan of Shirley Collins (HERESY! KILL THE UNBELIEVER!)... I like her music, but I don't like her voice all that much

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, for instance, I love "Love, Death and the Lady" but Shirley's voice is what I love least

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm almost as fond of that as Shirley Collins. Someone else that refuses to sing anymore. Why was there this sudden loss of confidence in these people?

... and Linda Thompson!

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuckin' hell Dada, we really do think the same way about this stuff - I mean I like Shirley Collins, and I'd much rather listen to her voice than most others, but, y'know, a little goes a long way, particularly with the sparse backing that a lot of her albums have. That's why No Roses is such a winner, it puts her voice in a totally different context to most of her work. And I think I said it on a Davey Graham thread recently, but their album just sounds like a weird fusion to me (not in a bad way). Which is the album done mostly on medieval instruments? That's the one I need.

myopic_void (myopic_void), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Anthems In Eden"

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I love when a UK folk band expands their horizons to adopt the propulsive electric bass grooves and backbeat that characterized US folk-rock of the era. This LP is a great example, but Shirley Collins’ otherworldly voice and the song choices keep the vibeS trending traditional pic.twitter.com/q8v8E5zAiD

— the modern folk (@themodernfolk) August 1, 2022

dow, Monday, 1 August 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link

Keep meaning to buy Show of Hands' Singled Out, but I'm little puzzled by what it's meant to be exactly. A compilation of assorted post-2001 songs(?), with two rare recordings from the early 90s Columbus EP and "Crazy Boy" from 1997's Dark Fields. But why? What's it for?

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 1 August 2022 23:30 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

since the season is officially here and there has been a lot of “brit folk = chilly weather” discourse lately, here’s that uk folk mix i did for @aquadrunkard a while back https://t.co/NPzE7kYLlW

— jocelyn romo (@theeroamer) September 25, 2022

dow, Sunday, 25 September 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

Lankum album (despite the album art) is really as good as they say

heavy, droney, druidic trad
https://lankum.bandcamp.com/album/false-lankum

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 13:29 (ten months ago) link

Lankum are not British! And there's already a thread for them!

lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 13:42 (ten months ago) link

lol true on both counts, sorry!

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 13:49 (ten months ago) link

Oops.

Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 14:07 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

have been spinning shearwater multiple times this last week so seeing this was a nice surprise today: https://thequietus.com/articles/33584-martin-carthy-bakers-dozen-favourite-albums-jon-wilks

no lime tangier, Monday, 13 November 2023 04:36 (five months ago) link

Lovely Martin Carthy. My grandfather played and sang with him in Bath and Sidmouth. I'm reliably informed their singing voices were very similar too.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 13 November 2023 06:24 (five months ago) link


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